Looking for opinions. Who here has young stock by him or has seen offspring. What do you think of them? What type of mare suits him best? Any bloodlines that are producing better crosses than others.
I’m toying with the idea of looking to buy a colt
Maybe Totilas?
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is that even necessary? the horrors of a spelling error!!! let’s respond to a post with absolutely nothing helpful to say…
db, i am interested to see what other people say as well. i’ve always fancied him, but haven’t heard much about his offspring. he hasn’t been a stud for very long.
i have this thread saved, you might want to look at it.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?372446-Totilas-Foals
The joy of using a phone and auto correct! Didn’t think it was necessary though.
The back story is that I have bred for many years. I am however getting older and am thinking of buying a youngster that for once didn’t have to directly fit into our breeding program. A luxury purchase sort of.
The stallion has always entranced me but I’d like some comments on if his young stock do that.
There are some other possibilities - DiMaggio for example has always been on my list ( and that line would fit our program).
Just interested in what others have seen
About the spelling…
Why is it so awful to correct it ? The title of the thread is “Totilis.” When I saw it I thought it was the name of one of his offspring, so I took a look at this thread.
Thankfully someone corrected it, and now we all know who we’re talking about.
If the thread was titled Rafel, who would know it was actually about Ravel ?
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Why is it so awful to correct it ? [/QUOTE]
Because, don’t you know, the “spelling impaired” are a protected class, and to call attention to a spelling error makes you a “spellist” and is tantamount to bigotry. :rolleyes:
Here’s a thread I started awhile back with vidoes to some Totilas foals:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?399884-Check-out-these-Totilas-babies!
I have seen a good cross section of his foals when I go to Germany. Overall, they are unimpressive.
I know that some folks will say that Totilas himself was slow to mature, and that is correct. But if you have been breeding awhile, and you see as many as I do, then you have an eye to compare and judge the potential.
They are all typy and long legged, no matter the dam line. Most have a good deal of presence. It is the lack of overstride int he walk as well as a flat canter that does not impress. Trot can be good to super.
I have seen 3 that do look like great youngsters. But that is a small percentage of those that are on the ground. The really good colts are owned by stallion rearers and we will see this year if any of them make it to the licensing.
I like your second choice much better. Whenever I see DiMaggio in a pedigree, it is usually in the dam line. I have liked all of the ones I have seen so far. He is not used much as he does not throw the money trot or pretty.
But theoffspring have 3 very nice gaits, and a good work ethic. I have watched several in the ring.
All that being said, each horse is an individual. Even full siblings can be very different. Each should be judged on it’s own merit.
Good luck with whomever you decide on.
Fun luxury ? Go to ehorses and buy by looks, movement and taste and not pedigree ! I find it more interesting that you see great horses by pedigrees that are not that known. I have e.g. A super colt by Demirel (sold so not advertising). Check out my old posts and you will see what I mean.
Totilas I have to second everything Maryana wrote…
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Totilas I have to second everything Maryana wrote…[/QUOTE]
So are the German breeders still using him as much? Interesting that neither of the T. foals have video to show, but maybe that has nothing to do with anything.
To the OP: if you are just buying the name, by all means spend your $$ on a T. baby. But my guess is that in afew years it will be well-known that T. is not producing the brilliance and talent he himself showed (and is no longer showing, btw).
The horse had some lovely ability that Edward Gal was able to shape and bring out to a level we rarely see. And T. certainly has a solid pedigree, so he’s not a “freak.” But I think his greatness had more to do with training and one of those serendipitous partnerships that occasionally occur than his genetic awesome-ness.
As there are no numbers published how many breedings he has/had I can not answer that question. But I am quite sure that for a hefty fee of 8000€ plus tax (approx. 12,300 USD) a lot of breeders hesitate or can not afford breeding to him. Especially since successstories seem to be missing sofar. maybe they sell “under the desk” and just do not appear in ads, auctions, foalshows etc. à do not know. And honestly I am not really interested in it as I have sofar chosen stallions that gave me real nice foals without paying and arm and an leg on fees…
Actually, I went on line to see if there was a Totilis - (as in a son of Totilas) -
You never know. Maybe it did sound short.
I’m a huge Totilas fan regardless of his current circumstances. I have two '12 Toti-foals. Both have very good gaits - including walk and canter. Their dispositions are wonderful too. Here is a video of my colt at a very awkward 11 months, during his first time in a round pen away from his buddies. Judge for yourself. The footing is new and a bit too deep to really show him off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4aEhcTTRFE
It’s impossible for anyone to tell at this point what the Totilas babies futures hold (or any other young and unproven stallion for that matter) at least until they’re much older. I think if the price per dose goes down in the next few years, you’ll see far fewer naysayers:winkgrin: Many breeders would jump at the chance to use him if he was more affordable.
Is the dam from the Sandro Hit line? Since he is too tense here to judge walk, I can’t venture an opnion on that gait. His trot is very nice and his canter is fine.
He is at an awkward stage for evaluation and the situation just too new to him to speculate on quality of gaits. He certainly has the presence I was speaking of.
You are right, the value of these horses remain to be seen when they are under saddle in a couple of years.
horsey1cr, I hope you can turn him away for at least four years, he’s going to need lots of time.
Then go back later when you can using the advanced feature so you can correct the title - easy enough to do [ and it gives a better impression. It’s sloppy and in my mind rude - maybe boorish - to insist upon appearing so uneducated. I dismissed the original post because of it. Think what all you may but there are those of us who feel this way. Sure hope you are not in business with the public in any way if you feel otherwise. ] I will delete this part if you fix your title. Editing works both ways.
I love the way he sends himself forward through his body, his topline staying level.
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Is the dam from the Sandro Hit line?..
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Yes the dam is Sandro Hit x De Niro.
In my opinion, Totilas needs to be crossed with a fairly refined mare with a lot of blood (% thoroughbred blood), for optimum results. I have not seen many Totilas offspring in person, but I have studied videos and photos.
I have two Totilas daughters out of my elite KWPN Ferro x Wanroij mare, who was a Top Five dressage mare and #1 KWPN-NA foal in North America. From this cross I will credit Totilas for improving the shoulder and neck at the very least. Both are very bold, as is their dam. Recently, good friends who are both FEI GP riders/trainers/breeders in Europe visited and were keen to see these fillies in person and see them move. They told me mine were the best Totilas offspring they have seen - and they have seen way more than I have in person. They could not agree on which was the better filly, however.
The two colts going up for auction are not too far from me. I had hoped they would be presented at our keuring next month, but the auction took precedence. I did make a point of seeing them in person, and there are videos, just not to the standard of the auction. Both colts are very correct in the legs, and have a lot of presence. I did not see them move in person, as they were stalled at the time.
Below is a video link to my fillies. Next year, we are expecting a full brother, who will be for sale.
OP - are you looking to buy a colt as a stallion prospect, or a colt to geld for riding?
If the former, you are going to have to sort through dozens that people think are stallion prospects simply because they are Totilas sons.
And I will add, I have been told much the same as what Marydell said - the foals are very typy with lots of charisma and presence, bold, self-assured attitudes, lovely front ends, and very nice to exceptional trots, but the word is that he is not a walk improver or a canter improver, so breeders need to be using mares that are really good in the walk and canter. Time will tell how many of the Totilas foals make up to FEI, and if any of them approach international stardom.
