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It’s sloppy and in my mind rude - maybe boarish - to insist upon appearing so uneducated. Editing works both ways.[/QUOTE]
Boor not Boar ish 
I don’t disagree with you btw.
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Boor not Boar ish
I don’t disagree with you btw.[/QUOTE]
Point taken! I can’t blame it on my typing 
I am agreeing with Marydell and others. Considering the quality of most mares bred to Totilas, one might expect more. I’ve seen videos of a couple beauties, for sure (eg Never Say Never), but at the Eauropean auctions most Totilas foals I’ve seen seem to distinguished by black coats and a name that commands a high price-tag, rather than by movement. My 2 cents …
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Because, don’t you know, the “spelling impaired” are a protected class, and to call attention to a spelling error makes you a “spellist” and is tantamount to bigotry. :rolleyes:
Here’s a thread I started awhile back with vidoes to some Totilas foals:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?399884-Check-out-these-Totilas-babies![/QUOTE]
Sorry, this made me laugh. Bolding mine.
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There are two such colts selling at the end of the month here:
http://www.sporthorse-selection.com/[/QUOTE]
Isley is mine now 
He’s a wonderful little guy, SO much presence and just a stellar personality so far.
Congratulations on your new boy! Hopefully the auction was a success for everybody. I haven’t seen the results anywhere.
Thank you! There was a decent selection of horses, but I would say 75% of the dressage horses and all of the jumpers went for about 20k under what their average market value would be right now. A very nice I1 Schoolmaster went for under 35k, and a very nice confirmed PSG/1.10 jumper went for 25k. Those are low examples, but some good deals were had!
Does anyone know where to find the results of the sale? I’m interested in how much the Totilas foals were sold for?
The black Totilas colt was the high price foal and sold for $16,000.
According to the post on their FB page.
Isley sold for 16k (to me), Imax sold for 15k to PA. Buyers premium was 8% of the hammer price, and there was sales tax. If anyone wants to know how much a specific horse went for, feel free to pm me.
That is very little for that foal. Who was the dam?
I know one of the stallions I like, who very few people are following, produced the top selling foal afew years ago at one of the Oldenburg auctions…E32,000
So only $16k is not “elite foal” price, although it is a strong price for a weanling here in America these days.
But if you do the math, the breeder took a bath financially on this. If they paid an $12k stud fee and even a small amt in vet fees (say $1500, since it’s frozen, I would say that would be on the lowish end), then fed/cared for the mare for 18 mos plus giving a percentage to the auction house, they lost $$.
I made more paying a $350 stud fee, $150 collection then selling the foal at 9 mos for $6k.
Seems like the Totilas-boom for foals just because they are sired by him might be over…now he will have to start producing serious quality.
It will be interesting to see if PS lowers his stud fee at any time…because (I would think), unless he produces quite afew top sellers @ auction, breeders aren’t going to pay that sort of stud fee. Because they will lose money.
And if he’s not producing them o/o some of the mares he’s been given, he may never.
But again, it could be they need to mature…then they ALL need to be sent to Ed Gal to be trained…:winkgrin:
I agree…how the heck do you make anything on those kind of sale prices. I was really suprised when Veronique posted the first price. I was expecting them to sell for much higher.
The dam was an imported dutch mare by Stravinsky xx. The babies were shipped in from Canada as well, and after talking to a breeder who looked into putting her horse in the auction, apparently the seller fees were steep. If you kept a reserve on your horse and they did not make the reserve, the seller was required to pay a percentage of the reserve.
Isley is a very correct super fancy colt who was worth the gamble at that price, especially because of the Totilas craze. He has a wonderful personality and promising movement. I will be thrilled if he inherits even a fraction of his dads talent, but resale should be a breeze regardless if I ever choose to unload him.
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apparently the seller fees were steep. If you kept a reserve on your horse and they did not make the reserve, the seller was required to pay a percentage of the reserve.
Isley is a very correct super fancy colt who was worth the gamble at that price, especially because of the Totilas craze. He has a wonderful personality and promising movement. I will be thrilled if he inherits even a fraction of his dads talent, but resale should be a breeze regardless if I ever choose to unload him.[/QUOTE]
What did the liver chestnut colt by T. go for? And the Licosto filly? Licosto was the stallion I referred to in my earlier post. I REALLY like him and got his semen (on sale) for $550 per dose. I did the research on it and it is very, very good frozen, with a high rate of conception.
So if the breeder who used Licosto got his/her mare pregnant 1st try and had the same sort of vet bills & such as the breeder who used T., the first breeder made MUCH more $$$.
All things being equal, why would breeders use T. @ some $12K when they can produce a foal of similar quality that makes them more $$ by using a stallion who is a fraction of the price?
Boy, PS better re-vamp his PR, 'cause I’m not sure the actual breeders are buying this stuff…of course, at $12K per breeding (please tell me that is LFG), he doesn’t have to sell too many of them.
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What did the liver chestnut colt by T. go for? And the Licosto filly? Licosto was the stallion I referred to in my earlier post. I REALLY like him and got his semen (on sale) for $550 per dose. I did the research on it and it is very, very good frozen, with a high rate of conception.
So if the breeder who used Licosto got his/her mare pregnant 1st try and had the same sort of vet bills & such as the breeder who used T., the first breeder made MUCH more $$$.
All things being equal, why would breeders use T. @ some $12K when they can produce a foal of similar quality that makes them more $$ by using a stallion who is a fraction of the price?
Boy, PS better re-vamp his PR, 'cause I’m not sure the actual breeders are buying this stuff…of course, at $12K per breeding (please tell me that is LFG), he doesn’t have to sell too many of them.[/QUOTE]
The liver chestnut went for 15k, Licosto filly went for 7k. Seriously about PS though! He’s selling several T foals on his website too, My guess is he’s gonna monopolize that like crazy for as long as T is back in the arena and not being bred. Which I’m fine with
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The liver chestnut went for 15k, Licosto filly went for 7k. Seriously about PS though! He’s selling several T foals on his website too, My guess is he’s gonna monopolize that like crazy for as long as T is back in the arena and not being bred. Which I’m fine with ;)[/QUOTE]
Did I miss something? Last I heard T. was still not competing, but they haven’t backed off in breeding him.
PS Just visited PS’s site…I think many of the foals being offered are offered by people who bred their mares to PS’s stallions…note that those horses are listed in a different spot that PS’s horses. It seems he offers that service of advertising your foal if you bred to one of his stallions. Too bad none of the T. foals has a price listed…
I don’t think T’s stud fee is $12K:eek:
I thought it was very steeply priced at $5-6K/dose.
I think it is 5k euro per dose which coverts to $6600.00 US per dose. Not sure where the 12 k came from?
I was just talking to someone about how he wasn’t being bred this year. Maybe I’m wrong!
That would make sense that they are not his babies, I just assumed that being the business man PS is, he would see the opportunity in that position.
I am not sure, but I believe the fresh semen is considerably higher. I think it was Alexandra who commented on that?
