Trailer curtains while travelling

I have always removed the rear curtains on my older steel bumper pull in the summer for air flow. Now I have a gooseneck that has the exact same type of hinge and my fiance is arguing that they aren’t meant to be removed and there is enough air flow. My gelding was soaking wet and foaming when I got him home today, yes it’s super hot today, and yes I got stuck in traffic, but I’ve never had a horse so wet with the curtains off.

He saw someone at a show travelling with their curtains pinned back with the same latches I have, but I swear that my latches are meant for stationary use and just because someone does it, doesn’t mean it’s safe.

So, questions.

How do you tell if the curtains are meant to be removed in summer.

How do you tell what kind of holdback latches are made for motion?

The first question seems irrelevant-- what does it matter if they’re “meant” to be or not? If they’re removable, which obviously they are, and if it’s what you want to do, what is his actual objection? Is he arguing that it’s somehow damaging the curtain or trailer to do so? Or that it does not affect airflow?

Or is he just (I’m reading between the lines here, and maybe completely off base) discounting your horse expertise and thinks your horse doesn’t really need something that you know he does. But rather than have THAT debate, he is asserting technical reasons, and you’re allowing yourself to be sucked into proving / disproving those technical reasons, when the real answer could just be “because based on my expertise and experience, trailering in the summer without curtains is better for my horse. Next topic.”

As for the holdback latches, you could contact the trailer dealer or manufacturer. I would phrase the question in terms of “are these latches rated to securely hold the curtains at highway speeds?” But ultimately, this second question only becomes relevant if we assume that you are somehow not allowed / not supposed to remove the curtains in the first place.

Should go without saying but yes, having a large opening in the trailer either covered or uncovered will dramatically affect airflow within the trailer, and on a hot day, reduced airflow will reduce your horse’s ability to cool himself via sweating. This study may be useful if he needs to be convinced by outside expertise how much airflow matters: [INDENT]"Even at the highest speed and with all windows and vents open, average air exchange rates were only about half those recommended for stabled horses. Although outside temperature never exceeded 28º C. (82º F.) during the study, heat stress conditions (defined as air temperature exceeding 30º C. /86º F.) were observed inside the trailer. Horses in stall 1 routinely showed more sweating than those in other locations.
What do the results tell us about keeping horses healthy during transport?
Based on analysis of data, the trailer used in this study was judged to be under ventilated.
An independent but similar study found less variation of air exchange by location when upper rear trailer doors were removed. Ideas for providing better air exchange and minimizing heat stress of transported horses include increasing window size and opening or removing upper rear doors. Owners should look for maximum ventilation when they are comparing trailer models prior to purchase. In this trial, data were collected for only two conditions, empty trailer or trailer holding four horses. When four horses were transported, air exchange rate was lower in front stalls than in rear stalls. Putting the smallest or leanest horse in the first stall might be a way to avoid overheating during transport.It is safe to assume that increased air exchange minimizes the buildup of dust and mold spores in trailer air, but drafts due to increased speed can blow particles of dust, hay, and straw through the trailer. Putting fly masks on transported horses can help to keep dust and airborne material from causing eye injuries.[/INDENT]

The first question seems irrelevant-- what does it matter if they’re “meant” to be or not? If they’re removable, which obviously they are, and if it’s what you want to do, what is his actual objection? Is he arguing that it’s somehow damaging the curtain or trailer to do so? Or that it does not affect airflow?

Or is he just (I’m reading between the lines here, and maybe completely off base) discounting your horse expertise and thinks your horse doesn’t really need something that you know he does. But rather than have THAT debate, he is asserting technical reasons, and you’re allowing yourself to be sucked into proving / disproving those technical reasons, when the real answer could just be “because based on my expertise and experience, trailering in the summer without curtains is better for my horse. Next topic.”

As for the holdback latches, you could contact the trailer dealer or manufacturer. I would phrase the question in terms of “are these latches rated to securely hold the curtains at highway speeds?” But ultimately, this second question only becomes relevant if we assume that you are somehow not allowed / not supposed to remove the curtains in the first place.

Should go without saying but yes, having a large opening in the trailer either covered or uncovered will dramatically affect airflow within the trailer, and on a hot day, reduced airflow will reduce your horse’s ability to cool himself via sweating. The KY Equin Research study “Ventilation in Horse Trailers” may be useful, if he needs to be convinced by outside expertise how much airflow matters: [INDENT]“Even at the highest speed and with all windows and vents open, average air exchange rates were only about half those recommended for stabled horses. Although outside temperature never exceeded 28º C. (82º F.) during the study, heat stress conditions (defined as air temperature exceeding 30º C. /86º F.) were observed inside the trailer. Horses in stall 1 routinely showed more sweating than those in other locations.
What do the results tell us about keeping horses healthy during transport?
Based on analysis of data, the trailer used in this study was judged to be under ventilated.
An independent but similar study found less variation of air exchange by location when upper rear trailer doors were removed. Ideas for providing better air exchange and minimizing heat stress of transported horses include increasing window size and opening or removing upper rear doors. Owners should look for maximum ventilation when they are comparing trailer models prior to purchase. In this trial, data were collected for only two conditions, empty trailer or trailer holding four horses. When four horses were transported, air exchange rate was lower in front stalls than in rear stalls. Putting the smallest or leanest horse in the first stall might be a way to avoid overheating during transport.It is safe to assume that increased air exchange minimizes the buildup of dust and mold spores in trailer air, but drafts due to increased speed can blow particles of dust, hay, and straw through the trailer. Putting fly masks on transported horses can help to keep dust and airborne material from causing eye injuries.”[/INDENT]

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Unless they are somehow necessary to hold the ramp up, or unless the ramp is unusually low, I don’t see why they can’t be removed. Neither mine nor my mom’s upper doors fold back entirely flush to the side of the trailer so we both remove them. If you have doubts about them staying latched and they can be safely removed I would remove them. Anecdotally I’ve hauled in very hot weather (although I obviously try not to) and never had a horse be more than mildly sweaty-- so I do agree that’s the way to go.

The argument when I purchased the trailer I assume the curtains had never been removed before, although they have the same drop in pins I’m familiar with. They were hard to remove and one of the pins came off the wrong way so he disagrees that they are meant to come off. But the pins are the drop in kind so my assumption is they are meant to come off so come off they will.He also feels like my gelding doesn’t travel well and sweats anyway so it’s just him and not lack of airflow.

SInce he saw someone travelling with theirs open he now thinks mine can do that at highway speeds. I’ve seen the kind with semi trailer type hold back latches and those can travel open. They do fold back mostly flush but I don’t think they are meant to be open hauling.

These are the latches

https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail…xoCTvUQAvD_BwE

I have seen them removed and I have seen them pinned open at highway speeds. I would ask the manufacturer about the rating. I would also recommend, if you pin them, to do regular corrosion inspections on the hinges and pins. I have never heard of them shearing off at highway speeds.

That said, I would remove them for two reasons. One, it sounds like you leave them off all summer and two, you can inspect the hinges and drop pins for corrosion or any other issue that could cause them to fail when they are installed.

I would honestly tell him your word is final as it’s your horse and this is how he travels.

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I would ditch the curtains and just used fly masks while hauling–protects the eyes from dust and debris, allows for max ventilation.

HA! I probably will be he asked for “proof” to prove him wrong and this trailer is much taller so I can’t take them off myself! I did email Sundowner to ask them.

I did cause a fuss and he took the curtains off. They have washers on the hinges and you have to remove them using a hammer, but I still maintain that they are meant to come off. I hope my gelding stays drier next time.

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Just be careful hauling other horses with the curtains off. When I was a teenager, we put my gelding in an old trailer without top doors. Well, he freaked out and got his rear end out the top door. Luckily we were going slowly on a country road and the car behind us alerted us. By the time we got stopped, he’d gotten back in the trailer and was sitting on his butt with his front legs in the manger. He walked out without a scratch, but it could have been disastrous. After that, I vowed to never own a trailer without top doors.

One of my current horses has always been nervous in the trailer, and a couple years ago I took him the short trip to the vet (~2 miles) with the rear curtains of my FeatherLight held back since it was hot. He was trembling terrified by the time I got him off the trailer; much worse than his usual level of nerves.

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I wish my family was as lucky. I will never tow with the top doors removed or pinned open.

Years ago (70’s) my father was hauling one of our ponies to his new home which was in the same town. Something went horribly wrong and the pony (a little shetland) somehow flipped out the back when the trailer was stopped and broke his neck - died on impact. This was when trailers had heavy nylon as the “curtain” that was held in place with grommets and you rolled it up and tied it with a string when you loaded/unloaded.

There are are plenty of other reasons I won’t haul unless the top doors are shut but I won’t get into it. The main reason is what happened to our pony.

When I bought my trailer years ago the dealership specifically said the pins are NOT designed to hold the doors open on highway speed. I’m not willing to risk it so I don’t.

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I’m a little confused about the terminology “curtains” in your case vs. upper doors. Are they actually curtains? Like the vinyl sheet that came with my 1980s trailer? or are they upper doors?

My upper doors latch using the type of latch shown in your link. I have traveled with them open and the latches hold just fine. I usually do not travel with them open because they have fairly large windows in them that I can open, in addition to several other windows on the trailer and roof vents. Also, the sticker on my current trailer says all doors should be latched closed during travel. I know a lot of people who will go at highway speeds with those latches and I have never heard of anything going wrong. They don’t seem very aerodynamic when held open, so it might make bad gas mileage even worse.

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Thank you for asking this. I too am confused. Does curtains in this thread = upper rear doors?

I think the questions of - is it safe to travel with no upper rear doors - and - is it safe to travel with the upper rear doors still on the trailer but latched open - depends totally on the specific trailer.
I have seen some trailer that the upper rear doors are almost half the height of the back of the trailer, which to me does not leave enough covering behind the horse for it to be safe. A smaller upper door, leaving something solid well above butt bar height seems much safer to me.

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Not OP, but I would expect the answer is yes. Split upper rear doors on trailers are sometimes referred to as curtain doors. You’ll see this in some trailer ads and specs.

I’ve always heard them called curtains. As a hold over from when they were.

As to the latches, I checked with the trailer maker and they say the latches are fine for travel.

I’ve also been told if you are going to leave them open it’s better to remove them entirely.

Thank you for clarifying.
I wonder if calling them curtains is a regional thing?
I have owned several trailers in my many years and no one I know has called the upper doors curtains.
I was even talking about taking the upper doors off yesterday and everyone in the conversation called them doors.
Glad to have learned something today.

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Your trailer, your rules. If he doesn’t like them, he can find another ride. No discussion.

ETA: just saw it was your fiance who commented. Might need to have the discussion, but the first part stands, unless he paid for half the trailer. :slight_smile:

I would think horses would roast in a trailer with the top doors closed. Hasn’t been a problem for me as my trailers have been a Brenderup and stock side trailers. If I had such a trailer and worried about traveling with an open top, I’d be asking a welding shop to make some bars to replace the doors in summertime.

I feel like the “curtains” term might be from Europe/Britain? Think I’ve heard it, but not often.

I figured out what the OP meant when she posted the link to the latches. I too had never heard the top doors called curtains.