Trainer concerns and questions - limited experience

Sort of reflecting to a few threads ive posted.

I’ve obviously had troubles with trainers. Our last trainer was a business houdini, and not in the good way. She was great at making you feel like you couldn’t do it without her. New trainer is the exact opposite: she makes me feel like she isn’t interested or into us. The communication line is even more dead between her and I than old trainer and I. At least old trainer and I were friends. New trainer wants to keep the professional/client boundaries which I totally respect and appreciate but there is a limit. When I don’t feel confident telling her something about our ride, question everything and start venting to friends there is a problem.

After leaving our old situation I am on edge. This new trainer goes from unapproachable to supportive in minutes, back to unapproachable. She is much more into doing things only when she is paid to do them. She will not work harder than you pay her to work. I get that, at the same time her rates are really expensive for the little advice she is offering.

She works with mostly andalusians, PREs and warmbloods. She trained 2 OTTBs to RRP but apparently had a bad experience.

She is somebody you have to follow up with a call or text after an email just to make sure she got it, and then you find out she gets it but she responds in that medium.

The alarming part is she is refusing to ride my horse even though I pay her good money to train. When we first started with her the trainer was very excited about working with my mare, and on her first training day i get this alarming text that the horse has serious ground work issues and she does not feel comfortable getting on and riding before these are solved. now, this is a mare I can lead without a halter, who has never once crossed me on the ground and who has come leaps and bounds in her confidence with me as her rider. I don’t think groundwork is an issue.

On the training sheet I put down that the horse can and has bucked under saddle. These last 2 months the trainer has spent work in the round pen. What she does I have no idea as I cannot get information from her. She declared my horse lame and that put yet again another obstacle to overcome before the horse could be ridden. But despite calling the horse lame she still wanted to round pen her and for me to ride her in lessons.

I’m not here to bash this trainer. She’s a great person and I am with her for the community and the fact that I am finally part of a large program and barn. I love the a-la-carte training list where she gives you a price for everything that she does. I am also with a GP rider who recommended this woman to me. I told her I don’t know if it is going to work out, and the trainer confirmed this lady is a bit of a timid rider, but that she disagrees with her that my horse is dangerous under saddle or on the ground (GP does training rides for me sometimes).

I LOVE LOVE LOVE her barn. I adore getting the t shirts, the saddle pads, the sign ups for shows where I can go with others, the get-togethers, the clinics. All of this is good and well.

The issue I am having is I have never had someone make so many excuses not to ride a horse. I ride her in lessons. Friend rides her for me sometimes. She’s seen many people on the horse and no one gets hurt/bucked off/etc. I feel she is labeling my mare and judging her before she even had a chance.

She told me she won’t work with her unless I got the stifles injected. Vet told me there was no real need. But I did it anyway to get the trainer to ride the horse.

I texted her and told her what we could do is convert my one training ride to lessons, and do 2 lessons a week. Then I got a text back saying “i really enjoy working with Mare and I feel I have laid the foundation and would like to continue.”

This trainer is beloved by everyone at my facility. But my friend who has worked with her for years says she is treating us a lot different from how she has treated others in the past.

Does anyone have any insight into what might be going on? At best this trainer will start riding my horse. At worst I am paying $$$ to be spinning my wheels going nowhere while GP trainer cleans us up.

This trainer just sounds very flaky. I can’t tell why she’s making these excuses to not ride your mare and then won’t let you work out a deal so that she doesn’t have to, but the point is that she’s doing it. The environment may be fantastic, and I understand that’s why you don’t want to leave, but I promise that you will find other barns with great environments and benefits! No barn is perfect, and sometimes we make small sacrifices with amenities and services because the barn as a whole is suitable. But having a trainer that won’t work with you, won’t give you all of the services that you’re paying for, and doesn’t like your horse is a big deal.

One of the problems that really struck me – you injected your mare, despite the vet saying that it wasn’t necessary, because your trainer refused to ride the mare unless it was done. So this trainer is making you spend money that you don’t have to (on top of being expensive already), won’t give you a reason for her flakiness and dislike of working with your horse, AND doesn’t communicate well. She sounds like a money pit, I’d look for a new trainer!

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Why are you paying for training you’re not getting? I’d get out of there from your post.

And honestly, even if your perspective is off from reality, it’s your money and your perspective which matters - do you feel you are getting value. So while I could go on and on about communicating, asking questions, blah blah blah… it comes down to the fact you seem to feel you are wasting money on someone who is even potentially hurting your horse by roundpenning (which can be very hard on the legs) while not riding and claiming your horse is lame.

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Thank you for the responses. I agree with both of you. There is still an opportunity to get out and stay at the facility, but I would have to sacrifice weekly lessons for monthly. Then again it’s peobably worth it if I get more out of the monthly.

the other trainer I am riding with has nothing but glowiing remarks about my horse and she has shown 4 levels higher and more consistently than this trainer. Grand Prix trainer is riding horse for the other trainer as a last resort. If this still doesn’t convince trainer we are out.

i am a thinker and an analyst. Has anyone been in this situation and what ended up happening? I’m trying to also understand where this trainer might be coming from.

Ummm I don’t pay a trainer for a O*&^(%^$ Tshirt or Saddlepad or Socialization, they are supposed to actually RIDE the horse if you can with out issue. I woulda been OUT llllloooonnnngggg ago. To quote my boss in a totally nonhorsie industry “Are you getting steak or just the sizzle”

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I would be out before now. Then I wouldn’t need to try to figure out where this trainer is coming from. The facts are, that she won’t ride your horse, she talked you into getting stifles injected against the vet’s advice, and she is all about “-round penning,” which is very hard on those stifles. She also does not seem interested in communicating with you.

I think you could make more progress & have more fun for the $$$ somewhere else.

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Agreed. Thanks for confirming what I was already afraid of. Sometimes I can misinterpret things but apparently this is not one of them.

i got to wait for the rest of my check to run out. And yes the stifle injections are what finally tipped the scale. She didn’t need them - she needed to be ridden MORE according to the vet.
@bt -110% AGREE!!!

It’s very kind of you to want to understand where she’s coming from, but frankly, she isn’t “coming from” anywhere good. She’s wasting your money and being unreliable and rude. Since you already said you can, I would absolutely stop using this trainer; stay at the barn and use a different one.

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I guess I just am wondering what we did, If anything? Is there something I did? It was just such a dramatic change from “I’d love to help you” to this. I don’t understand why we are the only people in her program who are treated like this. I don’t have a bad reputation in my area. I’m just really shocked and self conscious now.

there are others I can take from. But I am afraid now the trainer doesn’t want to let us go since she refused to stop our training rides in exchange for lessons which would only lose her $20 a month. If she is afraid of the horse, fine. Just wish she would tell me the truth.

Something is not right. I’ve never been in a situation like this. I’ve never known anyone to do this. She will ride the spooky Andalusian but not my mellow Tb? :frowning: Ok then…

thanks for the back up everyone , it means a lot. I’ve been really upset over this.

You didn’t do anything so stop thinking that. I had a trainer like you described, her issue boiled down to my horse had her number and they did not get along. So of course that turned into my mare is a POS etc. I’m not saying this is what is going on here, just that it is nothing you have caused. I would ride with another trainer at the barn.

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thank you very much. I suppose only smart horses can be ridden by smart people :wink:

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What Denali said.

I’m sure you did nothing. I’m sure your mare did nothing. Some people are just d-bags.

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Exactly. Not all trainers are a good fit for every horse. It’s life. The good trainers push you on to someone who can help. I think it’s a matter of ego.

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Trainer may have over-extended herself, maybe was doing a favor to GP trainer, maybe her initial behavior is always how she attracts new clients, maybe she has a bias against ottbs or mares or bays… It ultimately doesn’t matter, since what matters is how she’s treating you and how the training is going. She may not even have any good or conscious or deliberate reason.

Actually, she kind of reminds me of someone who wants you to do the dirty work of breaking up by being passive-aggressively unavailable, difficult to contact, finding more reasons to not do what she said she would do. Instead of acting professionally and stating this isn’t a good fit, for whatever reasons, and wishing you well with another trainer. Sometimes people just don’t along, sometimes a trainers isn’t good with all horses or riders.

I’d move on to another trainer, or take more lessons/training rides from the GP trainer you already have and like.

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can I also ask what you guys think “shutting down” means? Trainer complains that this horse “shuts down” on her and she is concerned one day she will just explode. I suppose this happened with the old OTTBs?

Horse does have a few of those moments (she will stop responding to you and it feels like the lights go out in her mind) but she is also just naturally very relaxed and calm. She doesn’t get herself too frazzled. She isn’t high energy. She is a clyde in a lightboned body, basically. She’s hard to get going in the round pen. It’s small, cramped, and the footing isn’t great. Mare knows better than to exert herself in these conditions.

Trainer interpreting her lack of crazy as dissociation? Again, trying to gather my experience here for future situations i might encounter.

If you want to know where she is coming from, ask for a sit down meeting and (politely) bring your questions to her attention. What are the serious groundwork issues she feels need addressed before she can ride your horse? What has she been working on in these ‘roundpen’ sessions? When does she expect to begin riding your horse? You have addressed her soundness concerns, she is clearly comfortable enough with the horse to still be teaching YOU on it, so… basically, what gives? If you feel comfortable asking her point-blank if she is simply afraid to ride your horse, do that. But it could create some tension.

At the end of the day, you’re not getting what you’re paying for. If you want to stay at this barn and don’t want to create a potential rift between you and this trainer, don’t ask. Just tell her you want to focus on working with GP trainer, quit her services, and let it gooooooooo. :lol:

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Good idea. Advice for the breakup was excellent, too. thank you.

Horse kicks out and bucks in the roundpen. She complains the horse is not forward, not hot, etc. It’s just bizarre, it truly is. I know this horse very well. If she doesn’t do what you want more than twice, she will “act out” and that is her signal to you that she CANNOT do it, or that it’s dangerous or just not a good idea. She is not a badly behaved critter, she has learned how to very effectively communicate with humans (specifically me). When she can do something she will do it at the slightest, lightest cue which is why my GP trainer adores her.

I agree. Trainer and horse are just not a match. This is not a mare you can “make” do anything. You can’t bully her, intimidate her, force her. Trainers have tried, and one actually succeeded for a while but as soon as the restraints are off horse will try once again to explain why what you are asking is a bad idea.

I’ll stick with GP trainer xD <3

Not going forward. And/or not paying attention to rider in a way that could prove harmful to either of them. It doesn’t have to be full blown taking off or explosion, but it could result in horse balking/rearing in protest to going forward or crashing into walls and other obstacles when “shut down” instead of stopping or steering. Possibly due to horse not understanding what is being asked of them, or not knowing how to cope with pressure/stress, or physical issues, etc.

If your trainer is nervous about this, it’s not necessarily wrong of her to refuse to get on, but she is not handling it well/directly or professionally. I wouldn’t want her training my horse, if she isn’t capable of training through this or capable of saying to me that she isn’t equipped for this type of horse. I’d find a trainer who could work with a horse like this. If indeed your horse is exhibiting signs of “shutting down”.

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She is and has, i can confirm this, shut down on people before. She literally goes somewhere else mentally and just becomes a equine robot. She also will spook in order to leave the situation. It has gotten much MUCH much better in the last year, but a heavy handed approach backfires. This woman is very very light, which also tends to be an issue as my horse doesn’t take her seriously.

I agree with you, and i also, like you, understand why she is nervous. But I also agree that a trainer needs to work through these issues and it concerns me that right off the bat this is such a huge stumbling block for them. I have found ways with this horse to break through the mental and emotional barriers. Unfortunately I cannot transfer my experience and knowledge to her, as I am paying her to know more than me, but it appears I am having to train her in how to train the horse. That’s not worth over fifty dollars a week to me, not when I am doing all the work and losing money in the process…

Remember that anyone can call themselves a trainer. Doesn’t mean they can train. Or are maybe only good with specific type of horse, rider or level. Even fewer, imo, are good with or even willing to take on “problem” horses. I do not think all trainers are capable of getting through to a shut down horse, or taking several steps back and retraining them so it doesn’t happen.

But a sign of a good trainer is when they’re able to tell you a horse is out of their comfort zone/ability and maybe even willing to recommend other trainers who can be of better help.

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