I have another thread on CoTH because I was considering breeding my sport horse bred appy mare and I had decided that a Trak was the way to go. Then I started working with my Haffie mare and I realized that she would be perfect (for me!) if she was just a bit bigger, which got the wheels turning. I really don’t want something as big as my Appy mare (who is only about 15.3hh) and my Haffie is a better mover and a better jumper. Breeding her to my “dream” Trakehner stallion just seems like the logical answer. :yes: For the last few years every horse or pony I’ve bought (or considered breeding) has been for my daughter who is now sixteen and pretty much doing her own thing (I think she’ll “come back to horses” in a few years). This breeding is going to be for me. I don’t know if I’ll breed next year or hold off until the following year, as long as my daughter is still home I have a captive pony rider for Claire but she’ll be off to college in a couple of years! 
Pacific
I’m totally drooling over the Canadian Trakehner, Pacific, for what I’m breeding for. He’s a compact 15.3hh and a grandson of Enrico. Does anyone have any current info on him, his website doesn’t appear to be working. Any opinions on his “type”? Thanks!
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I’m totally drooling over the Canadian Trakehner, Pacific, for what I’m breeding for. He’s a compact 15.3hh and a grandson of Enrico. Does anyone have any current info on him, his website doesn’t appear to be working. Any opinions on his “type”? Thanks![/QUOTE]
I don’t know anything about Pacific, but I will say that the CTHS was great to work with when I bred my mare, and I believe their appendix registry is open to part Trakehners. Which means that you could get a foal registered with them without much hassle, though being half Haflinger neither it or any of its offspring would be able to move into the main stud book.
Pacific’s owner posts on here (or used to)… Pacific was sent to CA a little while back (one? two years? ago?? cant’ remember when). Bugs and Frodo (Amy) might know more where he went as her trainer took him I think…
Enrico boys that are approved and still breeding: Tanzeln, Incantare, Pavoratii (might have sp wrong). I’ve bred to Tanzeln and I really love Inky (see him all the time as he is with Andrew Palmer who has my stallion). Forgot to add - I really liked my filly by Tanzeln, she was (is) a little bit smaller (but she was also a “kissing twin” and that could have had something to do with it). But she has fantastic movement and was perfectly perportioned, very nice little girl and her current owner ADORES her.
I found a fellow COTHer with a Connie/Trak buckskin colt that I want. Alas, she sold him right before I could come out:cry:
Super nice cross from a large TK mare and Connie stallion :yes:
Trakehner haffie cross
Waiting for the 2 week check on our Haffie mare.
We bred to Prince of Prussia. He is an older stallion with proven bloodlines.
Several approved stallions from the same sire/dam combination.
Looking at his confirmation, he was a good cross with our mare
Also important was a competing stallion, he has the competition record.
Stallion owners where excellent to work, always a bonus
http://www.blackshadowtrakehners.com/Mac.htm
Keeping my fingers crossed for a black dot on the two week check this weekend.
PS (progressive forward motility was excellent, still at 50% day 2)
Adagio, do you have pictures you can post of your Haffie mare (to compare type) and the foal she had when bred to a TB? I really like Prince of Persia and his bloodlines. Crossing my fingers for you for that black dot! 
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Waiting for the 2 week check on our Haffie mare.
We bred to Prince of Prussia. He is an older stallion with proven bloodlines.
Several approved stallions from the same sire/dam combination.
Looking at his confirmation, he was a good cross with our mare
Also important was a competing stallion, he has the competition record.
Stallion owners where excellent to work, always a bonus
http://www.blackshadowtrakehners.com/Mac.htm
Keeping my fingers crossed for a black dot on the two week check this weekend.
PS (progressive forward motility was excellent, still at 50% day 2)[/QUOTE]
I think this is a very interesting cross & have really liked the Mac (Price of Prussia) offspring for type. The recently deceased Connie Kempter - who bred Mac and his 3 approved full brothers - absolutely knew what she was doing with the Carino E x Palma Nigra E cross (which in addition to 4 approved stallions produced at least 2 model mares).
OP thanks for the nice comments about the Tzigane Pb offspring. While Taz’s offspring have the work ethic & temperament; size would likely exceed your goals.
I’ve seen video of Pacific and he’s certainly a lovely, compact stallion; didn’t know he was now in CA, so that’s worth checking into. Anissa’s thoughts about the Enrico boy are good ones - and temperament is a given with this line (very rideable).
Thanks Twingates! Rideability, temperament, and enough horse/pony to get your leg on are the main things I’m looking for. Love my pony (and so does my trainer) but I feel like I’m going to snap her like a twig!
I’d personally stick with the Enrico Caruso or Hailo lines. Both are very very rideable/trainable. And neither line necessarily adds a lot of height to the mare (they kind of let the mare dictate the height). Bonus on Hailo you will typically get some of the “pretty”.
Inky has a couple of kids that are pony sized o/o smaller mares
As long as I breed “type to type” I’m not overly concerned with adding too much height, stranger things have happened but Claire is only about 14.1hh, I can’t see getting anything HUGE from this cross. I’d be happy with anything 15hh to under 16hh.
I briefly owned a Hailo mare that was out of a Conn-tb cross dam. Really a lovely mare. Sadly I lost her and her foal to a dystopia.
Picture of haffie bred to Prince of Prussia
hope this works put it up on facebook and made it public
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3424277251217&set=a.3121461521013.2121197.1398824050&type=3&theater
Cloeanna, is a nice type Haffie mare. Not so refined that there’s no horse under you but not so drafty that you feel you should be driving them. Do you have pics of the TB cross foal from last year? Thanks!
Cloeanna is a nice type Haffie mare. Not so refined that there’s no horse under you but not so drafty that you feel you should be driving her. Do you have pics of the TB cross foal from last year? Thanks!
After many emails with a fellow CoTHer & Trak breeder, stallion choices (for this particular mare) have been narrowed down to Baron Verdi, Fandango, & Huno (but probably not Huno because of shipping from Canada). I’ll post links later; on my phone now.
Those are three very diffent stallions, may I ask how you came to your final three.
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Joe you’re absolutely right these guys on paper are incredibly different. However she wanted more dressage movement (mare’s a super jumper so doesn’t have to come from sire), height, bone and needed good hip/loin connection and extra length of hip. Stallions with competition records & competing offspring highly preferred and no frozen. She trains (I believe) w/the Mittleiders so w/b able to see offspring - of at least Fandango & BV - at multiple HT’s and gauge their movement, athleticism and tractable temperaments for herself.
Thanks, Kim, that pretty much sums it up. I also feel that I need more than one stallion as an option because I’m not sure all SO’s are going to be excited to breed to a pony…
Well I think the cross your looking to do would be great, and a stallion owner should be fine with it. My concers would be with temperment. As for my thoughts on competing stallions, I would want one that has had good placing not just competed for years, I would look at the performance level award that they or there offspring have from the ATA. Competing for years and not having a performance designation would say alot about that stallions placings, Getting a performance bronze is not all that hard to do. Please take a look.
http://www.americantrakehner.com/Awards/ExceptionalRequirements.htm#Performance
