So, it appears Triple Crown has come out with a new line. Has anyone tried it? I do not see a ton of difference between Gold and the premium line. Has anyone see the new Gold line or tried it?
It has been released but isn’t available yet. There are some differences in the feeds. The ration balancer is soy free. Senior is higher calories per pound due to higher oil content, NSC is still low. There is an additional element in there for gut health/ulcers, ie Outlast type stuff. I think there is now a page for them if you search.
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Perform Gold is soy free as well. Includes whey protein.
Balancer Gold is significantly lower in protein than the original Balancer, 13.5% as opposed to 30%, but the same feeding rate is still recommended (1-1.5 lb per 1,000 lb of bodyweight for a mature horse).
NSCs aren’t listed yet it seems? Not on this page anyway: https://www.triplecrownfeed.com/wp-c…_web020819.pdf
Triple Crown Training has disappeared from their website so I guess it’s discontinued?
Does anyone know whether the gut health ingredients might be sufficient to replace Outlast? The TC website describes it as “a seaweed-derived calcium source.” Outlast contains: “Sun-cured alfalfa, wheat middlings, seaweed-derived calcium, cane molasses, magnesium oxide, citric acid.” (http://www.mvcoop.com/images/E0155101/Outlast.pdf)
ETA: Asked Triple Crown that question about the gut health ingredients directly and will post the reply when I receive it.
I just saw TC Gold pop up on their FB page and came over here to see if anybody had gotten their hands on it yet (or did test feedings) so glad there’s a thread on it. 
Website says “coming soon” - wonder when they’ll start shipping it out.
TC Perform Gold is replacing Training.
The Gold line is “soy free” only in that most are soy MEAL free. Some still have soy hulls, which carry much less of an issue with phytoestrogens than the hulls do. The new Gold balancer is totally soy-free.
Senior Gold is higher fat, and lower NSC than the current Sr.
The TC gut health package is pretty darn good. This is info about the ButiPearl they are using, and how it helps
https://www.triplecrownfeed.com/feedpost/equimix-technology/
They also have pre/probiotics in the Billions CFU numbers, and a variety of types that actually have equine science behind them for at least reasonable usefulness.
I saw something today saying some of the products - Perform Gold maybe? - will be available “shortly”, and the rest mid-Feb or so.
But, existing stock in stores and in mills has to be used up before the stores will start getting the new line in
Thanks! So, if I am feeding Outlast with my TC Senior, could I switch to Gold and discontinue using the Outlast?
Maybe? I honestly don’t know how the amount of goodies in, say, 5lb of TC Sr Gold, compares to a serving of Outlast. In other words, I don’t know how many pounds of Sr Gold it takes to get the amount equivalent to a serving of Outlast.
I asked Triple Crown and this was their response, FWIW:
"While I don’t know if the product we are using is the exact same product that Purina is using in Outlast (because it is proprietary)… the research on the product that we are using for this ingredient shows incredibly efficacious treatment of ulcers.
So yes, if you switch to one of our Gold Products and feed at the recommended rate, you could stop the Outlast."
I’m thinking about trying either Perform Gold or Senior Gold for my guy who is currently on Senior and Outlast. I’m not really loving the Senior for him but to be fair, I’ve had issues getting good hay this winter so that can’t be helping. I need to think more about which one would be more appropriate for him.
Note that Perform Gold still has an NSC of 18-20% (from TSC), so maybe not something I’d use on an ulcer-prone horse.
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Yes, just learned that too, thanks! Got a follow-up email from TC that said:
"Because the products are so new and are basically still in trial stages, We don’t feel have enough actual tests on enough different batches to be confident in releasing averages yet. But it looks like they will fall in the following ranges
Senior Gold: 10 - 11% NSC
Perform Gold: 18 - 20% NSC
Balancer Gold: 9 - 10% NSC"
I think I’ll give Senior Gold a try when it’s available.
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My local TSC now carries Triple Crown Products. Well, not officially because it’s still in pallets in the warehouse until they do the floor reset. But I wonder if they’ll also be able to get the Gold product line? I’m liking the TC Gold Senior numbers and no soy…
Any TC dealer will have access to the Gold line. Whether someone like a given TSC WILL do that, is the question. But they would have the ability to get it.
Keep in mind TC Sr still has soy - just no soy meal, just soy hulls. The Gold balancer is totally soy-free and a lower protein % to go along with that.
I received a trial bag of TC Balancer Gold to start my little mare on. She’s on a soy free diet, but ballooned on the Naturals Pellets. She’s also on a high alfalfa diet, so the lower protein in the Gold Balancer is perfect for her.
I’ll be switching my old boys to Gold Senior once it’s released. My rep said TC is only waiting on bags to release Senior and Perform. Balancer will be released shortly after.
From what I understand from my feed rep and TC rep, the Perform is meant to be similar to Ultium. A very high calorie count, but also the NSC that might not be appropriate for ulcer prone horses, while also being soybean meal free.
My TC rep is really excited about the new Gold line. Apparently the reps all had a strong hand in the formulation of this feed line.
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I talked to TC about this actually. The info I got was:
1800 cal/lb for both Senior and Perform
NSC % for Perform is 18-20%
NSC % for Senior is 10-11%
Perform will be available in a week or so.
Senior and Balancer coming in a month or so.
Senior and Perform will be $1-2 more per bag of the original Senior/the feed Perform is intended to replace.
Retailers who carry it aren’t determined yet–they said it will be more of a “clients ask their TC retailers to order this and see where the demand is” situation.
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I heard that the Gold Line is only going to be available to dealers (not the word I am looking for). It doesn’t sound like it will be available to TSC. Looks like they will stock the Complete and Senior and everything else would have to be special ordered? I would never personally rely on my local store for special ordered feed…I would get it two months later. YMMV of course.
Just read on the TC page that Perform will be available soon, and the RB and Sr will be late Feb or early March.
I saw the ad where Tractor Supply will start carrying some TC products. I read the discussion there about a relationship between Purina and Triple Crown. Is Purina making TC feed or bagging it or what? Some concern the quality of TC products have gone downhill. Even though I’m “stuck” with feeding Nutrena for a while - (will soon be sending in the kit to test the Empower Topline for starch/sugar/iron) I eventually want to switch to a TC product. (already feeding the balance cubes as a mash / treat). Will see how the ET tests and make a decision. I wish it were required that all feeds had guaranteed min and max. Off to research the new TC feeds…
Well that blows. The Gold Sr. looks tempting for the metabolic or metabolic prone - except for the high fat.
Seriously why cannot feed companies get it right - surely they have done the research.
EMS horses need low starch, sugar, iron and fat. Guaranteed. Is that really so hard to do?
Ontario Dehy (Canada) gets it right with their balance cubes (bagged and sold in the US via Triple Crown).
Nuzu/Stabul seems to be the second best - but costs and arm and a leg.
If TC is developing a new line of feed - now is their chance to get it right.
The Gold with low NSC (a term no longer used) hints at a feed intended for EMS horses.
A lot of EMS horses do really well on a higher fat feed. It’s not like you’re adding a cup of oil. If the higher fat of the Sr Gold doesn’t work, go back to the regular Sr.
They also don’t need low iron - they need more copper and zinc to balance the high iron that’s already in their forage. For sure if your water is sky high iron then put an RV filter on it. But lots of EMS horses have done very well on TC Sr with added cu and zn.
None of this hints at EMS horses. It’s not even that much lower NSC than the regular - 10-11% vs 11.7%. And TC uses ESC + starch for their NSC, so in this case that is the right number to be looking at for EMS situations.
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So, I wonder about the timing of the release of TC Gold and the ability to buy regular TC at Tractor Supply. Specifically, I wonder if regular TC will become a sort of second tier product and TC Gold - sold only at feed stores - will be the flagship product. Just wondering out loud.
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I’m def. interested in the TC Gold Sr. I would be OK with the higher fat. Will wait and see what the starch / sugar turns out to be. BTW I looked on the NSC chart of TC. Their NSC values are WSC plus starch - which can differ - slightly - from ESC plus starch.
JB you know heaps more than I do about all of this. But my understanding of iron was that - yes - supplement to “offset” with copper and zinc. But isn’t there a point when there could be too much iron - even with balancing? Iron overload? I found out our hay is supposedly tested - hoping to see results soon. Our horses drink from auto-waterers from a well.
