Trouble Getting Heels Down

Alright so I have ALWAYS had trouble getting my heels down. I’m looking for some potential suggestions (or commiserating) about the fact that I’m not 100% sure I biomechanically can do it…

So backing up a little, I’ve been riding for almost 20 years and my heels have never been super flexed. I’ve stretched, I’ve gone to massage therapists, I’ve foam rolled, no help. Now, I have noticed that if I do the stereotypical calf stretches (knee pretty straight and sinking down into the heel on a stair or toes on the wall etc.) that I absolutely can do that, it’s when my knee starts to bend that my heels Will. Not. Go. Down. It isn’t even like I feel a pull, it’s like I’ve hit the end of my ability to move.

I run into the same problem when doing squats- unless I do a super wide stance with my toes pointed out I cannot squat without my heels coming up (huge no no in squatting). So I have no clue what is going on. Any ideas on how to improve it or an idea of what might be going on? TIA!

Oh and also- I do have tight hamstrings/lower back too but this has been a problem even when that wasn’t a huge factor

Not being able to keep your heels down is not a problem that begins in the heel. It begins in your core. If you imagine the line from your throat to your navel being lengthened, it’s easier to sink down into your heels (without forcing/shoving them down). Now if you hollow, suck in your stomach and/or round your back (something lots of us ladies do), you’ll have a hard time sinking into your heels.

Practice this at the halt, walk, trot, etc. Once you can maintain a taller posture in whichever riding discipline you do, you’ll find your heels magically deeper. But you have to get to the root of the problem :slight_smile:

Lusolov I have addressed that and it isn’t coming from there :-/ like I said, happens on and off the horse and is a problem depending on how bent my knee is.

I did a clinic with Jim Graham many years ago, and 3 of the 5 riders in my group had trouble putting their heels down. A few gentle reminders weren’t helping, and (losing patience) he pulled us all into the middle of the ring (even me, who had deep heels) and made us jack our stirrups up to the top hole, high as they would go, rolled if necessary. We looked ridiculous, trotting around like jockeys with knees over the flap, but WOW did it force your heels down farther than you thought was possible. You could feel the stretch down the back of your calf. After a few laps of w/t/c (I think he made the worst offender jump a crossrail) we were allowed to put our stirrups down back to normal length.

Try riding with a ridiculously short stirrup, it will test your calf muscles and your balance.

I physically cannot get my heel down. The weight is in my heel, but it does not go below level. I have basically zero ankle dorsiflexion. I can’t pick up my toes very well when walking/running either so I trip over stuff a lot unless I lift my entire foot higher. There are a number of physical reasons why this can happen, in my case likely due to scar tissue from repeated sprains, but honestly I cannot remember a time when it wasn’t like this.

EventerAJ I will try that and see if it helps once my horse isn’t as much of a nutcase :slight_smile:

Furling47 I’m thinking that may be my problem honestly. I’ve had trainers tell me that they can tell my weight is in my heel, it just won’t go down. I’ve also had personal trainers look at my squat and they can’t figure out any form issues causing me to not be able to go down further (to where my dorsiflexion would really start) so I think I may have that issue :-/ have you found anything to assist with it? I, too, can’t remember a time where I wasn’t like this

Don’t worry about ‘heels down’. It’s not necessary. Bear with me…

What is traditionally correct is having your weight down, ideally into your lower leg and into your heel.

But the actual important thing is to have your knee down. If your weight is in your knee, and your knee is pushing down, then it doesn’t matter where your lower leg is.

I realize this might sound funny to just about everyone who has ever attempted to learn to ride, but you’ll find that it does work. This came to me in two very different ways: (1) by watching the best rider I’ve ever seen, show jumper John Whitaker, and (2) by injuring my psoas muscle on the left so badly that for about a year, I’d intermittently lose control over my lower leg while jumping.

If you watch videos of John Whitaker or even look at still photos of him, you’ll see his lower leg is often flying up the horse’s side. His knee is always down. He has the best balance of anyone I’ve ever seen on a horse, yet his lower leg is not what you’re taught in lessons.

I puzzled over the lower leg thing for years, until I had a bad crash and tore the crap out of my left psoas muscle. When it healed enough to jump again, I could keep my weight down in my knee, but my lower leg appeared to be independently owned and operated and not by me. My friends were horrified by my flying leg. I was surprisingly comfortable and balanced – so long as I had my knee down. Eventually, I got my lower leg under control, but from that point on, always focused on ‘knee down’ rather than ‘heel down.’

(A European coach I rode with also didn’t advocate heels down. For him, correct was weight on the ball of the foot on the iron.)

When I’m teaching beginners (or more experienced by kick-and-go type riders) who are learning to have a proper leg, I always go to knee down rather than heel down. ‘Heels down’ often makes them brace, which makes the leg rigid and useless when it really should be soft. ‘Knee down’ keeps the leg against the horse and helps keep the rider’s center of gravity with the horse.

When I explained all this to Mike Plumb, who’d overheard me telling someone ‘knee down’, he made some kind of typical-Mike caustic remark. But then a few weeks later, he was giving a lesson to a young teen who was having trouble with her leg and I heard him telling her to think about keeping her knee down. Ha!

So maybe don’t worry about the heels. Make sure the ankle is soft enough to be a shock absorber, make sure the weight is down into the knee and then into the lower leg. Maybe ankle flexibility exercises will help over time, but if your foot position isn’t affecting your balance on a horse, then it’s not really a problem, And if you’re worried about the #1 most important thing in horse riding – how good you look in pictures – then you can always take a deep breath and jam your heels down when someone’s pointing a camera at you.

:slight_smile:

I have exactly the same problem with my left ankle. I can flex as long as my knee is unbent reasonably well, but when my knee is bent I have minimal ability to flex my ankle and get my heel down. If I stand on a stair, bend my knee, and try to flex down, I don’t feel the muscle stretching at all. I went to PT for it and my therapist puzzled over it for a while before he decided that I had some kind of blockage in my ankle and sent me to an orthopedic surgeon.

The surgeon had MRIs taken to see what was going on. After viewing the images, she determined that the bone in my foot that is supposed to slide under my shin bone was too big and runs into my shin bone rather than slides under it. Thus, it is physically impossible for me to get my left heel down because it’s blocked by bone. Maybe OP has a similar issue?

And now imagine all of the crookedness that I have for compensating for this for years in only one foot!

I have exactly the same problem with my left ankle. I can flex as long as my knee is unbent reasonably well, but when my knee is bent I have minimal ability to flex my ankle and get my heel down. If I stand on a stair, bend my knee, and try to flex down, I don’t feel the muscle stretching at all. I went to PT for it and my therapist puzzled over it for a while before he decided that I had some kind of blockage in my ankle and sent me to an orthopedic surgeon.

The surgeon had MRIs taken to see what was going on. After viewing the images, she determined that the bone in my foot that is supposed to slide under my shin bone was too big and runs into my shin bone rather than slides under it. Thus, it is physically impossible for me to get my left heel down because it’s blocked by bone. Maybe OP has a similar issue?

And now imagine all of the crookedness that I have for compensating for this for years in only one foot!

The jockey short stirrups is good, but also try riding with your stirrups backwards (put your heel in first). Only do this on a horse you trust, and it’s a good idea to have neckstrap. It’s a great challenge and will really engage the necessary muscles to get a deep heel.

Spin it - tell your brain - lift your toes to the sky !
Just try it … Just try it … I dare you !

Spin it - tell your brain - lift your toes to the sky !
Just try it … Just try it … I dare you ! :winkgrin:

Darn double post ! Sorry …

But please try it … verbalized out loud to yourself .

Thanks everyone for the input!! I really appreciate it!

“Knees down” is what works for me, too,

The only time my heel is really down is when I’ve ridden in those flex stirrups, so your not really putting your heel down…

I can’t put my heel down, I’ve also never really cared, its never been a problem, I’ve never been yelled at about it. I assume its just my makeup. I FEEL like I’m forcing my heel down, but when I watch videos, my foot is always parallel. The only time I see my heel down is when I’m in my two point.

If your weight is down and you feel balanced and safe, then why fuss about it? On the other hand, it’s an interesting biomechanical puzzle.

To the why fuss about it- I had always heard “heels down” even though my instructors did not yell over it (my weight is down in my leg) but I’m starting to ride again (it’s been 2011 since I last competed) and I figured while working on my/my horse’s foundation again I may want to seek out if that’s something I could fix. I didn’t realize so many people had similar experiences :slight_smile:

Okay, and I was planning on hitting the weights again and trying to get my heels down during squats too so I didn’t have to use something under my heels for proper form :wink:

If your weight is in your heel, it really doesn’t matter if your heel is down. Foot parallel to the ground with a relaxed and strong ankle and leg is an effective and safe way to ride. Forcing your heel down against your anatomy will lock up and stiffen your whole leg, you’ll ride worse, and you’ll have more ankle/joint pain.

When I started up again after a break, my then-trainer really harped on me about my heels, just because I was out of the habit - physically, I can get them down. However, I then got in the habit of jamming them WAY down, which messed up my whole leg and led to some intense ankle/knee pain. My trainer now has to remind me over and over to relax my ankle, relax my ankle, don’t worry about my heels… all to undo a habit formed over maybe 6 months. Be ye not so silly!!