Two horses dead in four races at Preakness

[RodeoFTW]

[QUOTE=Palm Beach;8673836]
I understand. But if you are going to be passionate about something, at least understand what the facts and research support. The best way to improve safety and reduce fatalities is to understand the CAUSE and takes steps to reduce it. I encourage you to visit the UC-Davis website and read some of the studies referenced. You can then focus your passion in a way that will truly improve the situation.[/QUOTE]

You are mistaken if you think I want racing to “improve”. I don’t think it should exist at all. It’s not a sport I support and unlike many other equine sports, it’s driven by gambling. I don’t like it and not much is going to change my opinion of it.

Same with rodeo, despite my ironic username.

[LaurieB]

[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8673961]
You are mistaken if you think I want racing to “improve”. I don’t think it should exist at all. It’s not a sport I support and unlike many other equine sports, it’s driven by gambling. I don’t like it and not much is going to change my opinion of it.

Same with rodeo, despite my ironic username.[/QUOTE]

You do realize that you’re posting on the Racing Forum, right?

[Laurierace]

[QUOTE=Jim R;8673469]
Now it can be buried in the racing forum where only the people in the industry can justify anything they do to win a race. I guess it is about 10%,maybe lower in the industry that care about the horses that are not making them money.:mad:[/QUOTE]

This is such an asinine, ignorant statement that it isn’t worth discussing except to point out how asinine and ignorant it is.

[RodeoFTW]

[QUOTE=LaurieB;8673965]
You do realize that you’re posting on the Racing Forum, right?[/QUOTE]

This thread wasn’t originally in the racing forum. I commented before it was moved.

[Palm_Beach]

[QUOTE=LaurieB;8673965]
You do realize that you’re posting on the Racing Forum, right?[/QUOTE]

IKR??? I’m happy to read Rodeo’s posts of he/she would actually contribute something meaningful, instead of just a blanket “I don’t like racing.” I don’t like eventing or steeplechasing, but I won’t get into an argument as to why without some factual information to back up my opinion.

[beaujolais]

Facebook site "Saving our Standardbreds:

https://www.facebook.com/SOS-Saving-Our-Standardbreds-808091785980966/

The two on the upper right side of the page are lame stbs that the Amish dumped.

[S1969]

[QUOTE=LaurieB;8673965]
You do realize that you’re posting on the Racing Forum, right?[/QUOTE]

FWIW, I don’t know why this post was moved; and I think it was inappropriate. I would never come to this board and talk about why I don’t love horse racing…but I might comment on the OT board. I belong to a dog hunting club, and I can appreciate why some people would consider using live birds to train with to be a turnoff to the sport - but I wouldn’t expect them to be come to our to talk about it on our Facebook page to vent about it.

Again, I don’t hate racing, but having lived next door to one of the bottom feeders of the racing world, I think there are pros and cons. But I wouldn’t come here to discuss them.

[Jim_R]

[QUOTE=Laurierace;8673966]
This is such an asinine, ignorant statement that it isn’t worth discussing except to point out how asinine and ignorant it is.[/QUOTE]

Please explain. I thought it pretty much summed it up and I knew when it was moved here what the people in the business will say.
I have know idea why it was moved so the rest of the horse people could be in the discussion.

[Laurierace]

Why would I bother? Why would you want me to bother? You have already painted me with your broad brush and I have already written you off as an asshat.

[Jim_R]

[QUOTE=Laurierace;8674047]
Why would I bother? Why would you want me to bother? You have already painted me with your broad brush and I have already written you off as an asshat.[/QUOTE]
Ok, go ahead and attack me. I said there was maybe 10% that do care about the horses. If you think that a majority of the people in the business care about horse then we can disagree on that. But I guess you just want to attack me for my opinion than prove me wrong. Horse racing is in big trouble and part of the reason is how horses are being run. Just the way they are drugged, and no significant penalty at all. If a trainer does loose their license then just have another just be their beard.
Every year it goes down the tubes a little more. Once the casinos pay off the right people and don’t have to subsidize it the party will be over.
I have a friend that breeds, is a trainer and I get along with her just fine. Other trainers I deal with are the lowest of the low. I did not paint you with a broad brush, you just took it that way. Tell me how you start your horses and how you don’t just patch them up to get in a race, but are looking at the long term health.
Tell me how you care more about the horse than trying to keep the owner happy with their horse running when it should have a little more time off.
Or just keep going with the personal attacks. I am a big boy and can take it.

[Bluey]

The thread was moved because it was about horse racing, why else?

It is where it needs to be.

Here the racing talk will be put in perspective, by those that know what is true and what gross misunderstanding and/or racing myths.

There are people that don’t take good care of their horses every place, yes, in racing also, but most trainers are good horsemen and care for their horses properly, just like in any other discipline and any other in life.

I can’t say much because after some decades, I am sure things are very different, so it would not make sense with what I knew then to try to speak for today.

I do still know some trainers and they still do well by their horses, so that much has not changed.

Here is where those accidents and deaths can be discussed best, where people racing right now can add their perspective to this, as they are doing.

[RodeoFTW]

[QUOTE=Palm Beach;8674001]
IKR??? I’m happy to read Rodeo’s posts of he/she would actually contribute something meaningful, instead of just a blanket “I don’t like racing.” I don’t like eventing or steeplechasing, but I won’t get into an argument as to why without some factual information to back up my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Meaningful is subjective. I’ve presented plenty of facts on why I don’t like thoroughbred racing. Whether you agree with it or not is your own opinion, but don’t insult me when we both know you’d try to find wrong from anything I post just from the fact that you don’t like me personally.

I actually like Arabian racing because horses aren’t breed purely for that sport alone and do go into other competitive careers after they are done on the track. It’s a smaller niche sport and the types of Arabians who do it are hardy and sport-horse bred (Polish/English/ Russian lines).

I also don’t know of any Arabians with psychological or physical issues like I do OTTBs.

The situation with STBDs is terrible but there’s a lot less of them and their temperments are more suitable for ammie use.

[tabula_rashah]

For the most part I’m not a big fan of TB’s and I don’t really follow racing but… I am very sad for the racing world that these 2 deaths happened on a day that is so much in the public eye, especially the non-horse world public that will judge in complete ignorance. I’ve been in the professional horse world for many years and in many difference capacities, and I’ve seen my share of equine deaths. I’ve seen a dressage horse at the top of his game in this country break a leg by taking a wrong step in his pasture at a walk, I’ve seen a leadline pony drop in line up at a schooling show, I’ve seen internationally competitive eventer die while jumping a fence and kill his rider in the process and I’ve had to put one of my own down due to an oddball accident after a CTR. Horses, for all of their power, are such fragile creatures- just read these boards to see how many freak things happen to them. And, yes, there are trainers, etc out there who are going to attempt to win at any cost to the horse but I hardly see that as the norm. Most trainers, riders, grooms, etc are in their horse sport for the love of it- it’s simply too hard of a career to do this if not. BUT it also doesn’t mean we should stop trying to improve things and/or make them safer. What do we need to do to make these racing breakdowns less frequent? I don’t know but I certainly don’t think banning racing is going to do anyone in the equestrian community any good.

[Gestalt]

[QUOTE=Bluey;8673684]
The studies I read where of horses started as twos or threes.

The ones started as twos, their body loaded for the coming physical work, grew right into it as the athletes that were going to be later, so well fit for the task.

The ones started as threes were more mature physically, but without having been trained for the task at hand, were more apt to have more injuries, small that the numbers of those with injuries were related to the numbers trained.

Just as a gymnast that starts at 5 training will at 12 be a top gymnast, but the same kid, if started at 10, will rarely get to be as good as the one that has those years to prepare for that activity with the right training for it, the mind an body primed for that as it grows and matures brings it up to it’s inherited potential.

The studies were following with physical parameters as the horses were training, you can measure the differences, more bone density, better overall fitness, which makes for a better prepared individual.[/QUOTE]

Have you seen the stats on young gymnasts? Many of those kids are dang near cripples by the ripe old age of 15. And I’ll never believe that training horses at 1.5 years old can be a good thing.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Gestalt;8674101]
Have you seen the stats on young gymnasts? Many of those kids are dang near cripples by the ripe old age of 15. And I’ll never believe that training horses at 1.5 years old can be a good thing.[/QUOTE]

I was one of those kids, so yes, I know and no, the injuries and I had one also is not any different than all other kids have in any other they do, or even the couch potato ones, that are also not injury free and who wants to be a couch potato kid so as maybe not to be injured?

That is life for all alive, there will be accidents and injuries, we will work to protect from those, are doing better all the time, but there is just so much that can be done.

Statistics taken out of the air, without perspective to put them in context, don’t mean much.

[cloudyandcallie]

[QUOTE=Laurierace;8673966]
This is such an asinine, ignorant statement that it isn’t worth discussing except to point out how asinine and ignorant it is.[/QUOTE]

Except the poster who claimed not to know that horses were breaking down on the track often and then when the statistics were released claimed she did not notice it although she and her husband owned and trained race horses is calling someone else ignorant? How’'s the Amish puppy mill puppy doing?

Everyone should check that old racing thread from years ago. De Nile is a river in Egypt.

[ASB_Stars]

Jim R- your title may be misleading. There were 14 races on the card at Pimlico yesterday. Two horses died. This is horrific, and tragic, and I am personally glad it happened before I arrived, but your title makes it look like there were breakdowns in 50% of the races. You might be misleading people, and I am sure that would never be your goal. :winkgrin:

[Laurierace]

[QUOTE=cloudyandcallie;8674122]
Except the poster who claimed not to know that horses were breaking down on the track often and then when the statistics were released claimed she did not notice it although she and her husband owned and trained race horses is calling someone else ignorant? How’'s the Amish puppy mill puppy doing?

Everyone should check that old racing thread from years ago. De Nile is a river in Egypt.[/QUOTE]
WTF are you talking about?

[Mardi]

@S1969;8674036

I belong to a dog hunting club…

Why would you want to hunt dogs ?

(sorry, couldn’t resist)

[Jim_R]

[QUOTE=ASB Stars;8674137]
Jim R- your title may be misleading. There were 14 races on the card at Pimlico yesterday. Two horses died. This is horrific, and tragic, and I am personally glad it happened before I arrived, but you’re title makes it look like there were breakdowns in 50% of the races. You might be misleading people, and I am sure that would never be your goal. :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
The article was written early in the day. That is where it was at that point in time. But then again you might not have noticed the date and time. Or maybe you did not comprehend. It was written after the fourth race.
I did not write the article and did not give it it’s title.
But thank you for your input, bless your heart.