Two horses dead in four races at Preakness

[Jim_R]

[QUOTE=wireweiners;8677196]
For those of you who don’t venture on to the other topics very often, RodeoFTW is, by her own admission, a college student. But by her own admission, she knows everything from proper care of cattle to horse racing. Frankly I think the closest she has come to a horse or any livestock, is the pony ride or petting zoo. She should go back under her bridge and stick to harassing billy goats.

JimR, usually hangs out in Off Topic where he originally posted this thread. His normal topics are bashing Pres. Obama or Hillary Clinton. I’m surprised he posted on a horse related topic.[/QUOTE]
It is about racing, not attacking people because of their opinion. Try to stay on subject.

[wireweiners]

[QUOTE=Jim R;8677251]
It is about racing, not attacking people because of their opinion. Try to stay on subject.[/QUOTE]

Says the person who turns almost every Off Topic thread into a rant about Obama or Clinton. Lol

[Where_sMyWhite]

[QUOTE=Jim R;8677251]
It is about racing, not attacking people because of their opinion. Try to stay on subject.[/QUOTE]

I didn’t see an ‘attack’ per se but a questioning of the credentials of the poster.

Certainly, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Having said that, informed opinions and related discussion are much more constructive than opinions based on limited or inaccurate reporting.

[RodeoFTW]

[QUOTE=wireweiners;8677196]
For those of you who don’t venture on to the other topics very often, RodeoFTW is, by her own admission, a college student. But by her own admission, she knows everything from proper care of cattle to horse racing. Frankly I think the closest she has come to a horse or any livestock, is the pony ride or petting zoo. She should go back under her bridge and stick to harassing billy goats.

JimR, usually hangs out in Off Topic where he originally posted this thread. His normal topics are bashing Pres. Obama or Hillary Clinton. I’m surprised he posted on a horse related topic.[/QUOTE]

Excuse me?

I’ve never said I knew everything about anything. The only thing I’ve ever said I was “intimately knowledgeable” about was the South Pacific, having lived there for a year.

Frankly, your false statement is very insulting and personal in nature. I’ve reported it and I hope in the future, you can be more respectful to those who don’t share your opinions or life experiences.

[CVPeg]

[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8677304]
Excuse me?

I’ve never said I knew everything about anything. The only thing I’ve ever said I was “intimately knowledgeable” about was the South Pacific, having lived there for a year.

Frankly, your false statement is very insulting and personal in nature. I’ve reported it and I hope in the future, you can be more respectful to those who don’t share your opinions or life experiences.[/QUOTE]

Well, above, since you were so quick to parrot the negative attributes of TBs, and I suggested you might try another breed, my response was characterized as an attack on you.

Your youth is showing, is all. Stop being a know-it-all, and perhaps listen to those with true experience, rather than those who espouse TB issues from rumor.

I think most of us have exponentially more experience than you have with TBs, either riding, showing, training, breeding or working at the track (i.e. Linny).

[jaj]

[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8677304]
Frankly, your false statement is very insulting and personal in nature. I’ve reported it and I hope in the future, you can be more respectful to those who don’t share your opinions or life experiences.[/QUOTE]

And, of course, unlike the charm offensive you have been waging these past few weeks.

I commend wireweiners for the excellent allusion, with apologies to all billy goats passing by the bridge.

[RodeoFTW]

[QUOTE=CVPeg;8677333]
Well, above, since you were so quick to parrot the negative attributes of TBs, and I suggested you might try another breed, my response was characterized as an attack on you.

Your youth is showing, is all. Stop being a know-it-all, and perhaps listen to those with true experience, rather than those who espouse TB issues from rumor.

I think most of us have exponentially more experience than you have with TBs, either riding, showing, training, breeding or working at the track (i.e. Linny).[/QUOTE]

Just because I was pointing out things I’ve sen from ottbs doesn’t mean I was insulting the breed as a whole. I like thoroughbreds, and I’ve said that enough times that you all shouldn’t be taking everything so personally.

But I’ve been to places like CANTER, I’ve seen how they look when they come off the track, and I know of at least one right now who had to be retired because she flipped over the starting gate at her last race! That’s not normal and she has issues. Her poor rider has been working with her for about three years, and she still isn’t trustworthy or very cooperative (mind you different horses act in different ways).

She isn’t the first one I’ve seen like that, either. Just the most recent.

I ride all breeds. I don’t restrict myself to just one.

Maybe if you spent less time being defensive and more time being open minded (ageism much?), you and others wouldn’t get upset so much over people with differing opinions.

Personal attacks are also against the forum rules.

[Jim_R]

[QUOTE=CVPeg;8677333]
Well, above, since you were so quick to parrot the negative attributes of TBs, and I suggested you might try another breed, my response was characterized as an attack on you.

Your youth is showing, is all. Stop being a know-it-all, and perhaps listen to those with true experience, rather than those who espouse TB issues from rumor.

I think most of us have exponentially more experience than you have with TBs, either riding, showing, training, breeding or working at the track (i.e. Linny).[/QUOTE]
Well with my decades of experience and the thousands of horses and hundreds of horse people I deal with you cannot use this arguement against me.:winkgrin:

[wireweiners]

Oh my, you’re insulted and reported me for calling you a know it all? Well bless your little pea pickin’ heart, you poor dear. Honey chile, if you’re going to play with the grown ups you best learn to act like one. Don’t get all pouty when you get called out.

[Dispatcher]

[QUOTE=wireweiners;8677196]
For those of you who don’t venture on to the other topics very often, RodeoFTW is, by her own admission, a college student. But by her own admission, she knows everything from proper care of cattle to horse racing. Frankly I think the closest she has come to a horse or any livestock, is the pony ride or petting zoo. She should go back under her bridge and stick to harassing billy goats.[/QUOTE]

And don’t forget the many, many countries she has lived in. And her closeness to the Japanese because she spoke to a Japanese man on a plane one time. Plus, she’s also worked in the medical field and well as being in a branch of the service. My, my she has been busy!

I wouldn’t give a rat’s a** about any of that were it not for the fact that she has been incredibly rude to a lot of posters. Not to mention that huge chip on her shoulder…

[Palm_Beach]

[QUOTE=Jim R;8677251]
It is about racing, not attacking people because of their opinion. Try to stay on subject.[/QUOTE]

Well, that would be a nice change!

[Denali6298]

I was happy when this thread was moved to the racing forum as I was hoping to read the input from those on here who have a wealth of knowledge about horse racing. I see the OT nonsense has followed it. Oh well.

Rodeo the point people are trying to make to you is that your opinion comes off as you stating facts rather than opinion. When Vinny asked for the data to back up the numbers you threw out you refused. I have ridden OTTBs for the majority of my 25 years in the horse world. I have taken 2 from the track to the show ring. That being said, my knowledge is a drop in the bucket compared to those here.

[D_BaldStockings]

[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8676781]
That was your experience. I was stating mine.[/QUOTE]

You have also presented your experience then labeled it as fact.

One may experience the sun rising in the East and setting in the West but that does not make it fact that the Sun orbits the Earth.

Science may and has proven that the facts are otherwise.

Your experience is valid, but does not change the experience of other individuals.

[D_BaldStockings]

[QUOTE=Jim R;8674628]
Like I said, reading comp 101, I did not post it in Off Course.
The title was the name off the article.
…
I am trying to stay on subject but you and others do not want to debate racing, just attack those that don’t agree with you.
Seems like you must not have something positive to say about racing, but then again how could you.[/QUOTE]

The title of the article read: ‘On Preakness day.’ Not at Preakness.

The race is not named after the racetrack. Your title implied 2 of the field in the Preakness died = completely false.

Second.
How could someone have something positive to say about racing…?

It has enabled the development of one of the finest genetic athletes in the world; a breed that permeates the bloodlines of almost every light riding horse in the world.

Racing is a test of genetics, fitness, heart, training, jockey finesse and many intangibles that go into a supreme performer; and it is a privilege simply to watch superlative athletic performance.

Racing surfaces have been experimented with and altered for the speed and safety of horses.

Many drugs in use in former eras have been outlawed and the sport continues to try to level the playing field via testing and regulation.

Are there bottom feeders?
Do some horses get injured severely or end up euthed or die?

Yes, that is true of anything in life. Risk is everywhere.
Publishing those injuries and deaths is far more likely to happen with competitions instead of pastures and stables.

What debating points are left?

[Sunflower]

My OTTB ( and he is not my first) has perfect ground manners. Perfect. Every time. I did not instill these ( though I maintain them), he came off the track with them. So presumably he was taught them there. He is a perfect gentleman to lead through gates, through narrow aisles, past other horses. He is easy to do in his stall, a simple command of “stand” or “over” is followed without any hesitation. He is great in company. He never gets upset if another horse is in his space, tries to bite or kick or act silly. He ignores them. He never tries to bite or kick or threaten another horse when I ride. He has had an out of control kid’s pony run into him. He just froze in place, and did not even move a muscle, though tense (understandably). I am assuming all of these were attributes he got from being raced, and from on the track, because that was his history before I got him. He is pleasant, he adores people, and is known for kissing on and begging treats from people who clean his stall. Clearly he had warm and affectionate relationships with his “people” before he came to me.

By no means is he a novice’s horse. He IS a TB, and he can react sharply to some things-- but I like a horse like that, and knew of the possibility of a TB being like that when I got him. But to suggest all racing experience is a negative for the horse is not accurate. True, mine is only an anecdote and does not prove the whole of the case for the industry, but for what it is worth, my fellow seems to have been treated with excellent care and handling. And he was NOT a great racer-- his record is a bit dismal-- so it is not as if he got some VIP treatment due to his stellar record.

[JGHIRETIRE]

[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8673961]
You are mistaken if you think I want racing to “improve”. I don’t think it should exist at all. It’s not a sport I support and unlike many other equine sports, it’s driven by gambling. I don’t like it and not much is going to change my opinion of it.

Same with rodeo, despite my ironic username.[/QUOTE]

Racing isn’t perfect but what I wonder is what you think would happen to all those horses if there were no racing??
Just because you don’t support it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist.

[JGHIRETIRE]

[QUOTE=MoonWitch;8674584]
Your responses come off as being from someone very young and impressionable and somewhat uninformed. TB’s are incredible athletes that go on to numerous careers after the track. There is not one discipline that you won’t find them (except maybe rodeo - thank God) and they excel at any job given to them. They are workaholics that have incredible intelligence, grace and stamina. Just google the Thoroughbred Racehorse Project for one of the many, many areas that they are making a comeback (thankfully).[/QUOTE]

They are in barrel racing and all the gaming sports. I have heard of a couple that are in rodeo as well.
I love me some tb’s too.

[D_BaldStockings]

"Just because you don’t support it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist. "

But that is her basic premise with regard to the world. Once she passes judgment, we must all toe her line…

I will debate that racing is driven by gambling.
Disagree. It benefits financially from gambling, true.

Now did RodeoFTW want to debate the merits of gambling or racing?

[Jim_R]

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;8677590]
"Just because you don’t support it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist. "

But that is her basic premise with regard to the world. Once she passes judgment, we must all toe her line…

I will debate that racing is driven by gambling.
Disagree. It benefits financially from gambling, true.

Now did RodeoFTW want to debate the merits of gambling or racing?[/QUOTE]
If it was not for the purse, no horses would be there. Would love to have a ribbon day and see if they could fill the field. It is all about the chance of a big score.
When chemists become trainers you know it is about the money.

[beaujolais]

^^^^^^ We know there is no medicating going on in show horses, right?