What is a carrot lady
Karoline what exactly is a carrot lady? It brings up visions (for me) of someone who bribes their horse to do everything with carrots. I guess I am guilty a little of that. I always give my horse a carrot when I wash her face. Or someone who uses one of those natural horsemanship flag carrot stick things. Is that it?
To the poster who asked (sorry took so long to get back to you I was working) what level the Arab won at: -
The Arab who won the Perpetual Trophy at PB competed at I-1 level. I do not know if he competed any further up as that is all the information I have, but I am sure that if anyone has a way to “see” the results posted, you can look for his name: OKW Entrigue, Arabian Stallion, and he competed on Thursday and Friday. That little horse looks happy! He is focused, bright eyed, with a presence about him. Danged if I didn’t know better, I’d say he and his rider are ENJOYING themselves…lol.
I am sure that there will be some who will say “well that isn’t anything”, blah…but it is something. It is to his rider and to the horse that took her there. It is to me because it shows that an arabian can do more than endurance ride. I know some are out there competing in dressage, but how many get to a high level at a serious competition?
I am posting this myself, his owner nor his rider do not know me from Adam’s housecat. The reason I am posting it is plain: when one states a broad generalization about a breed, that statement can and often does come back to bite one on the butt. Plain and simple.
I am not knocking WBs, TBS, Draft crosses or any breed. I am not saying that this horse is better than those horse breeds. What I am saying is: Never say NEVER cause someone, sometime, will come along and prove you wrong. I look at this arab as the horse that wants to and will. One day he will shine at the highest levels because he loves his work, it shows in his expression. Ears up, eyes sparkling. There is no tail wringing, no sour expression with ears back and lip poked out. I’d appreciate it that in any WB, TB or Andulasian or Lusitano, etc. This one just happens to be an ARAB.
So I would appreciate if just once, (i know it will be hard, but bear with me and I’ll buy you a beer if we ever happen to meet, which we might if you are a member of the GA. Cothers) - people here don’t put down the little Arab. He’s a wonderful horse and deserves the same accolades that other breeds get.
Thank you and off to feed my many dressage/event/loafer/retirees
Sidepasser
Hello kkj, I never use the word bribe - though my old fashioned trainer has thrown it at me more then few times.
I go through 5lb of carrots every other days per horse. First of all, carrots are good for them…second of all, I like giving them something they like.
When do they get them:
With my grumpy gelding. A piece after each feet is offered and clean.
With my mare: a piece after all feet are done
A piece after they have taken the briddle.
A piece on the right/left after I have mounted
A moutain of carrots after I dismount and they are being pampered.
And a mountain more in their supplements mix every day.
Now, I have learned a few thing:
1- I dont use carrost to lead
2- I dont use carrots to get in the trailer - though once they are all tucked in they may get one.
3 - I dont use carrots holding for the farrier
4 - I dont use carrots holding for the vet
Mostly, I give carrots when my horse is doing something hard for them as a reward, and then as an I love you treat.
It makes my trainer mad BUT: I never give treats when I call my horses over, yet they gallop over. So, its not bribery, its just the joy of giving.
But I know loads of cowboys, or old fashion, new fashion trainers who disagree with even the idea of treats. Whatever works for them. My horses, they have 20/20 eyesight (carotene good for that) 
Uhm, do you guys mind if I ride your horses while you are all tied up here?? Cause I’d love to use my good time for that 
BTR you got it all wrong! It is the horses who are tied up!
No wait…they aren’t because it’s cruel and unusual…
No…I think some are tied and some are too good for it…
Wait…the ones who aren’t tied are getting carrots?
Oh heck…I’m all confused now…
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh, you’re so tied up girl :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
and that’s the good life…!
Jeez peeps- I feel all cozy around you now- yes- I don’t tie my horses- let them run free and feed them carrots all day- plus I ride a motor cycle and gaze at my horses- who perform passage and piaffe and spanish walk in the pasture- while nibbling on carrots…and if they ever die - I revive them quickly…with magic words and gibberish…
Ok I will be a good sport…
First the Disclaimer…
I would like to make it very clear I do not consider myself a horse trainer. What little I have learned so far and what my horses know is due to the fact that there are some wonderful and very talented trainers who have blessed me by teaching me.
I didnt start 30 horses in one year it was over the last couple almost 3 years. I do it for fun because I want to learn as much as I can about horses. For the most part I do it without charge. One I get people owing me favors and two I cant afford 30 horses so this way I can get experience without it costing me more than a bruised Ego, and a few bumps and scratches when theories dont play out exactly as planned.
I normally would give the list of names of who I learned from, but seeing as how I just pissed off about half the board here… I figure they will be ok with me not mentioning them this one time…
As you can see by the pictures back then I didnt even have sand down yet, so I used old piles of hay and carpet laid over it. It goes without saying I am not independently wealthy or even dependently wealthy. Is there such a thing as dependently wealthy? Ahh yes…the Dressage Gigolos who take the carrot ladies money!..:lol: AND ANNA NICOLE SMITH!
Now as I said I have been very blessed in being able to learn from great trainers when it comes to training horses. Be it Exhibition or Dressage which to me can be the same. Some of the top liberty, trick, circus trainers in the world I call friends.
Olympic Coaches and riders I also call friends, and can I call/email them anytime I am having a problem.I even have a handful of Old Timers (real Cowboys) who will help me whenever I ask. These men I learned the most from when it came to what makes a horse tick. With the knowledge they gave me I am able to absorb the other methods.
Most Dressage folks could do well learning some from some of the Old Cowboys. These men are not rough, or beat horses. Quite the opposite, they revere horses, have lived horses and willl die on a horse… if they have their way. They are a dying breed, and their knowledge is dying with them. So dont write off the old guy in cowboy boots.
THE ONLY THING I WILL TAKE CREDIT FOR IS KNOWING HOW TO FIND GOOD PEOPLE TO LEARN FROM…nay GREAT PEOPLE
Only in the last couple of years have I realized just how bad my riding was/is and have been working on it since. I had so much more on a horse before I knew I couldnt really ride.
Sure I could stay on anything, do anything…polo, shoot, rope, trail, jump whatever but it was all self taught when I was a kid, riding horses that I nor anyone else had any business on…and I have lots of bad habits. Add to that a health condition and well I sort of Jimmy Rigged my riding together.
I have super glue butt though. That I can thank those rank horses in my preteen years for. They are also the reason I have such a hard time keeping my heel out of the stirrups.
I am no expert, just a horse lover. I am repeating that because somehow whatever I write gets changed into something else.
But I bet I can outride Sabine!.. OK that was cheap…
I blurred my face for now, I want the focus on the horses, not my incredible good looks…:lol: You have to wait for the video for that…
I have helped competitive riders with Piaffe and Passage and I am OK at it, getting better with each horse, but Piaffe and Passage were taught to me by several different trainers each one as good or better than the other and each with different methods. So its kind of a fun one for me. Again I would mention their names but someone here would tell them I was being mean and then mentioned their name and then I would get a lecture for not behaving…
So we understand I take neither credit NOR blame for my horses training. I didnt invent any of it. I was taught it by very generous people. I hope to keep learning and keep getting better and one day I might just be a trainer too.
For now I will put up some pics and a couple of short clips I have on my laptop that were taken on a cell phone. The videos are too illustrate just how bombproof my horses are.
The girls on the pedestal were not even weanlings then, the one I still have is now Three and a half and she will be my “Competition” horse…she was waving hello and I took the picture late. It was hard because I was the only one there and working them while I took the pictures…
IF I had to say a level he is at its 3rd level. Shoulder, haunches in/out, half pass, working, medium, collected(as much as you can be at third level) trot/canter. Canter departs and three tempes…also known as Broke for Trail riding…
Of course he can do Spanish Walk, give kisses, wave hello, bow, kneel, lay down, sit up, sit down, hi ho silver/balanced rear/pessade whatever you want to call it. Works at liberty etc…AKA FUN GROUND WORK…A young girl at the barn wants to compete on him so I will let you know how he does.
I dont compete because those outfits look silly to me and there is no way I am getting up at 6 a.m. to groom my horse for a show. Maybe if they had night shows with cooler outfits! I put one of those outfits on once. I felt like I was supposed to saw a lady in half, make something disappear or something along those lines.
Now PAY ATTENTION HERE…This horse IS NO DEADHEAD. I would go so far as to say most people couldnt handle him out in the open. Not that he is spooky you just cant “ride his mouth” If you he gets goofy and you get in his mouth he gets goofier. He will accept contact well, just not any kind of Jerking etc…Soft hands a strong seat and talk with your legs…You just have to put his mind to work. Which is really the only reason he is so good at lateral stuff.
I will put a little video together when I get back home that will show my horses better. You will have to wait for that but maybe I can do two horses performing piaffe next to each other while I stand next to them…
Ok here is the first link…see now this is Bombproof.
Under the video screen its says view box with a box that says 480 in front of it. Click on that little arrow and reset it it 320 so the video is clearer.
Thats a runway made out of Plexiglas, and yes its in a nightclub…So you see a burger king drive thru is child’s play, is not such a big deal for my horses, or any horses that have been exposed/conditioned correctly.
Wonder if this will work
Click here to watch Now-thats-Bombproof
Under the video screen its says view box with a box that says 480 in front of it. Click on that little arrow and reset it it 320 so the video is clearer.
First the Disclaimer…
I would like to make it very clear I do not consider myself a horse trainer.
Don’t worry, me neither.
Only in the last couple of years have I realized just how bad my riding was/is
Really? i got that on your first post.
I dont compete because those outfits look silly to me
Trust me you don’t need an outfit to look silly.
The above comments ARE cheap but the redeeming factor is they’re funny and true whereas
But I bet I can outride Sabine!..
is just cheap and from my certain knowledge highly unlikely.
Fiona my dear
Did you see the clip…Now do you believe me when I say my horses are better trained than most?
http://media.putfile.com/And-A-tight-turn-to-boot
That was our first time in a night club on a runway and that was the practice run…The real run was even louder and crazier. IF my horse was unsure he would just look to me for reassurance. Thats how they are trained. To trust and put their heart in our hands. My horses know I will not hurt them…
You can take any horse on my place into any envoiroment. A silly dog is not gonna set them off I assure you… or a baby stroller for that matter…So how is it my horses can do that and Sabine’s horses cant be tied?
Unless her last name is Schutt-Kerry I will stand by my statements…
So Fiona did you watch the clip or just spewing for the sake of it?
You can still think I am a butthead, but you cant say my horses cant do what I say they can do!
Waiting to hear from you Fiona…
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7/19300323943.jpg&s=f10
no I didnt catch him laying down. He is barely THREE MONTHS OLD in this picture and laying down on cue was already old hat to him.
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7/19300372260.jpg&s=f10
Both of these girls would work responsibly and safely at liberty before they were weaned. Of course they were young. At this age we only ask for basics. walk left, walk right, turn, come here and get on your place…oh and lay down.
We dont halter break any foals. After playing with them for the first few months you just put on a halter and go. There is no fighting. They are taught to give to the slightest pressure. Standing tied is not a big thing either. Its a GIVEN.
Now you can only imagine how fast they move up thru the “levels” when they are started under saddle. Pressure? No big deal…Mental and emotionally they are leaps and bounds ahead of any horses their age. So all we have to do is wait till they are physically ready and then communicate what we want them to do…and BAM! Whattya know they dont stress, or colic from stress, get ulcers, worry, blow up, or do anything most horses do.
OK Fiona, now you go get your horses and take some pictures…Then I will post videos of Piaffe and Passage with me not even on the horse…Deal?
If I remember correctly you are a Professional Trainer…So lets see what you can teach your horses to do.
Heck you just post a pic of you on any horse doing a Piaffe and I will post the videos for everyone when I get back…
Yes i watched your clip, even at 320 the clarity is very poor but cute pony. Why where you in a nightclub? was it a fashion show or something? And the trick picture is cute too.
You can still think I am a butthead, but you cant say my horses cant do what I say they can do!
I never said your horses couldn’t do what you said they could. I did say your posts come across as unneccessarily mean disrespectful and spiteful and i’ll add don’t demonstrate a sense of humour.
Got any riding pictures?
OK Fiona, now you go get your horses and take some pictures…Then I will post videos of Piaffe and Passage with me not even on the horse…Deal?
If I remember correctly you are a Professional Trainer…So lets see what you can teach your horses to do.
You see, there you go again…picking a fight with someone! what is up with you? I called you on disrespecting those with mental illness which i thought was pretty low and unnecessary and on fighting between horse disciplines for no reason. What is your problem? And no i’m not going to escalate this “my horse does better tricks than your horse” spat by creating a photo war!
The 2 coloured horses are very endearing and i’m sure handling them so much makes them very trainable later. Good for you.
Fiona
Fiona…Come on now…You picked this fight I didnt. See your post insulting me or trying too or whatever you were doing…
I never called anything that my horses were doing in those pictures tricks…They are prerequisite MOVEMENTS for Circensic Dressage training, which of course you dont know the definition of…so we will just skip that.
The Bi Polar Schizzo observation I made was 5 pages ago. You still harping on that? Geez dont take things so personally. Read my Screen Name…Politically Incorrect.
I was in no way insulting or making fun of people who suffer from any form of mental illness… AND if I had made a comment about physical impairments…well I have been in a wheelchair twice in the last 9 years and had to learn to walk again twice… so according to the laws of the universe its ok.
Kind of like a black guy can say the N word but a white guy cant.
Just to clear it up… I was insulting Sabine, no one else. So Fionna…I am sorry, I did not mean it in a derrogatory way to you. Can we move past the remarks I made about nutcases?
I will gladly post pics of me riding, as if that has anything to do with this. I will even do it with no bridle and while my horse executes Piaffe.
I claimed my horses were able to handle just about any envioroment you can imagine and I think the videos proved that.
Then I said my horses were well mannered and extremely well behaved. I think the pictures proved that…
You want to come ride them??
But ok… I want to see your Pictures of your horses doing anything other than 3rd level or below. Deal?
Cute pony??Thats an Arabian honey… not a pony.
Poor Clarity? Can you not read? I said I had someone take the video with their cell phone.
And no it wasnt a fashion show… well not a real fashion show. It was for a National Commercial…You think Burger King has boogers that will scare a horse. Go work on some movie sets. I wanted to see my horses on TV…7 different commercials and I was done with that…Its BORING work. I turned down two movie (independent) deals and a commercial for USA networks since then.
Riding the Urban Trails is much more fun than being on TV.
Fiona…Come on now…You picked this fight I didnt. See your post insulting me or trying too or whatever you were doing…
I was doing cheap laughs as oppose to cheap shots. It’s funner.
Just to clear it up… I was insulting Sabine,
nice. glad we got that straight!
Circensic Dressage training, which of course you dont know the definition of…
You’re right there i have never heard of it, what is it? I like circus work i worked as bit with one of Freddy Knie’s horses he was a very clever man.
Cute pony??Thats an Arabian honey… not a pony.
Poor Clarity? Can you not read? I said I had someone take the video with their cell phone.
yes, and because it’s so distorted the person leading looks much taller than the horse so i assumed it was a pony.
This was fun to wake up to. I love the picture of your horse sitting. If I could teach my horse that I could get some sweet XMas card pictures.
And yes without a whole lot of Ace, my horse would not be cool with walking down a runway with all that commotion. My first shetland pony is probably the only horse I have every owned that would have been cool with that (and he was like 35 when I got him)
I still think you are like the Man From Snowy River, Urban Cowboy, Circus Trainer, Stunt man type. This is how I picture you. Not meant to be insulting but if you jump your arab over 4 foot solid objects on the trail, get them to perform in TV commercials and can get him to piaffe at liberty, that is how I picture you. Don’t be insulted. It means you are a horseperson and a rare breed at that. Have to say in my lifetime around horses, I have never met anyone like you. I don’t have any idea of how well you ride or what your issues are but I respect you ability to work with your horses.
I don’t understand why you are compelled to attack Sabine. I don’t know her but would not be surprised if she is a great dressage rider.
I don’t know if you are aware of how you come off or if you don’t care because you are politically incorrect or what. I think if you had just come on the board and said, “Hey I can get my horse to do a, b and c wanna see?” a lot of us (me at least) would have been like, “cool show me the pics”. I respect all kinds of riders and horsepeople from all disciplines and love to see something new. I do want to see your horse piaffe.
Yeah, what she said.
Ah p.i…
just when I was starting to think you were a little humble, felt a little something about the wheelchair thing, laughed at your jokes …ok, the john travolta thing was funny…you started digging yourself into a deep, deep, deeper hole. You still don’t ‘get it’ and I’m sorry.
An Olympic piaffe and passage is not the same as a circus piaffe & passage.
Not the same movement either without a rider. In fact, dressage types use the term CIRCUS as a derisive term. that is, being held in contempt or ridicule.
And about Sabine, do you know her and her horses personally? Or you just have a big hard-on for her because her posts rub you the wrong way? Obviously you are a man that likes to escalate and be argumentative, and I would guess you are also Republican and divorced (many times?)
At any rate, I’m glad you are having fun with your cute horses and you are not trapping them in the dressage court grinding away 24/7. It is impressive that they can stand on a box, shake paws, beg for table scraps and bark on demand. But am I the only one who finds the pix of a foot on the chest of a young one on it’s back very disturbing? Leave the horsie a shred of self respect, even if you can’t for yourself. Anyway, it’s been entertaining but I’ve run out of popcorn and beer so toodleooooooo 
I think a horse needs to know how to tie, i spent 1.5 years working with my gelding to be sure he could tie. it is important for me that he can, because if we are at a show and i don’t have a stall, i can’t exactly drag him to the bathroom with me:D someone is almost always there when he is tied, once in awhile i will have to leave him to walk a course but i usually ask someone i know to check on him. when he is tied i tie his hay net up, and he is very content. I’m getting a new horse and she will also need to learn how to tie.
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