I would humanely euthanize the horse.
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Felt a little like deja vu to me, too.
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Man, I hope itās the same lady who had the mystical connection with the unbroke arabian stallion she had never actually met.
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I would humanely euthanized it is because I would be afraid of it. I have seen horses they can be very difficult to work with maybe they have ulcers maybe there something wrong in its brain. Baby itās been terribly abused by humans and it attacks them so rather than getting attacked. However I would be afraid to try and retrain such an animal regardless of the reason. I have a horse thatās a pasture pet but heās a total sweetheart wouldnāt hurt anyone darling personality. I would not be comfortable having a horse around that is agressive towards others.
many years ago I had a lovely broodmare on free lease it was absolutely gorgeous but very sensitive afraid of vaccines etc. That mare ended up injuring herself under my care and I ended up with a large surgery bill it took a very brave surgeon to try and get and get a needle into her to sedate her so that they could handle her and do surgery. If I had I want that horse I would not have done the surgery and she was not very safe to handle.this was 20 years ago I would never take on a horse like that again.
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Our guy is very suspicious of vets etc. He is sensitive and will throw his head and bend/break the needle.
Get the vet to give him a carrot and Put his head into a dish of pellets or carrots and the vet can put a needle in no worries. You take the feed away immediately if being sedated and he finishes chewing before he goes to sleep.
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I canāt believe a mother would let her children around a horse like this. WTF??? I actually like my kids and want to keep them around. This has to be a troll, I hope.
I did have a horse like this. I gave him to a Ray Hunt-type cowboy and they were able to work with him ā and they still have him. I would have euthanized him rather than keep him on my farm with my children! Seeing him drive away on their trailer I was the happiest I have ever been to lose lots of money on a horse.
Needle fears can usually be overcome, I usually ace the horse orally or give it dorm gel beforehand, and then have it sedated further first thing. Keeps us all safe and makes it less stressful for the horse. That is way different than a horse that attacks you when you ask it to do something it doesnāt want to do. Iāve had half a dozen with needle fears over the years and all resolved fine with time.
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Quoting myself to add ā that dangerous horse? He was fine for the first year, before I had him started. I never really asked him to do anything that required him to work. He was fine for the vet and farrier because he just had to stand there. Only once he was under saddle and we started expecting him to have a job did the dangerous attacks surface ā and then he was gone within days. I can totally believe OPās horse is āfineā because she never asks him to do anything. If she does someday, sheād better watch out.
Iāve never seen anything as scary as the glazed, checked out look that horse would get before heād charge, strike, or flip over in the direction of the person nearest him. it was absolutely chilling to witness, like seeing a serial killer or something.
Quoting myself to add ā that dangerous horse? He was fine for the first year, before I had him started. I never really asked him to do anything that required him to work. He was fine for the vet and farrier because he just had to stand there. Only once he was under saddle and we started expecting him to have a job did the dangerous attacks surface. I can totally believe OPās horse is āfineā because she never asks him to do anything. If she does someday, sheād better watch out.
Iāve never seen anything as scary as the glazed, checked out look that horse would get before heād charge, strike, or flip over in the direction of the person nearest him. it was absolutely chilling to witness, like seeing a serial killer or something. Iāve worked with a lot of horses (including youngsters) and have never seen anything like it before or since. I hope I never do.
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Yes, I do. The word ārampageā was also used by someone āunusualā in their style of writing and the nature of the āproblemā. I wish I could remember the username/ID.
Edited to add, I found the other thread I had remembered. That was a young person who seemed to want advice, but was unwilling to take it, including advice that she seek the assistance of a trainer. That is someone who said she is in Wisconsin.
The thread we are discussing now, seems to be from a non-U.S. country, as evidenced by use of āyardā rather than āstableā or ābarnā.
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Yes, that does seem familiar!
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There was a horse like that at the stable where I spent my formative years. He was euthanatized, and necropsied. The reason for the behavior was found; he had a fast growing brain tumor, that most likely was extremely painful.
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(Bold mine) What you describe here sounds like something in dogs called āRage Syndromeā. I had a Red Tick Coonhound years ago who was diagnosed with it; he would act like you described, and had to be euthanized after he attacked me. It started when Iād seen that sort of look in the houndās eyes and was very concerned - He was like Jekyll and Hyde, so requested evaluation from a trainer whom Iād dealt with in the past, who was very good (āNever, Never Hit Your Dog!ā). He was fine for the trainer, and he advised me to keep working with him. But things kept happeningā¦ When I told my vet all this she just said āRage Syndromeā and told me about it. I had never heard of it before.
I suppose itās possible that a horse could suffer from something similar. But Iād draw a distinction between a horse who has learned he can āget one overā on an owner, and mental illness.
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Not sure you can draw a direct parallel between horses and dogs as dogs are predators, horses prey animals, and thus their neurological wiring is night and day.
But, what that does equate to in a horse is one that has been so messed up by people, that is so far from being mentally OK, that they are about as close to a predator as they are ever going to get. Horses that get like that are horses that have lost all sense of self-preservation: they literally donāt care what happens to them or anyone else. Most of what keeps us from getting killed by our horses (for all the ham-handed crap most of us put them through as weāre figuring things out) is their sense of self-preservation. A horse would much rather leave you than stomp youā¦but a horse thatās willing to attack someone has almost definitively been pushed far too hard and pressured so much that they have lost that need to save themselves. When you truly come across a horse thatās like that, itās one of the most tragic things youāll ever see because itās never the horseās fault.
I almost hope the OP is pulling our leg. The alternative is sheās probably quite deluded about her horse: horses just donāt work the way sheās claiming; they arenāt perfect for one human and then raging aggressive predators for another one. I could certainly see how a horse with a pushy or more aggressive personality might GET to be dangerous in this way if first handled by a skilled professional with excellent timing and then moved onto a rank amateur who doesnāt know how to effectively block the horseā¦but it doesnāt happen overnight.
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Is rage syndrome in dogs a seizure disorder? Iām trying to remember if it is particularly prevalent in certain breeds, as in, a heritable trait.
I believe itās classified as a form of epilepsy. Not positive, though.
Epilepsy in horses is rare, according to our vets.
In dogs, there are some lines in springer spaniels that were studied because they had ārageā episodes, that were eventually considered a kind of epilepsy.
Breeders tried to quit using those lines.
That has been found in other breeds also.
Dogs as a species are prone to epilepsy.
My own dog had seizures starting at two, was put on medication for two years, we tapered it off then and now 11 1/2 years old the seizures have not come back, yet.
Had a horse come down with West Nile V while at another stable.
They reported he had seizures, the vet was on his way, he could not be approached, he was half running around the small pen they had put him in, hit a wall and died before the vet (and myself) got there.
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Where I used to board, there was a horse who came in to the barn, I donāt remember (if I ever knew, though Iām sure I must have) how he came to be there. He was a ārescueā of sorts. Mental, not physical. He was gorgeous, big sweet eye, you couldnāt āseeā a mean bone in his body.
But while he never went out of his way to attack, things would set him off and he would, as described above, become unhinged. Blind panic and in the moment, seem to attack you, but you could tell he just didnāt see you.
Various people tried to work with him, including me for a short while. Everyone thought they were making progressā¦until they werenāt, and he unhinged again. 1 person was riding him fairly regularly, as a very green bean, and he was ok for that, but of course nothing really was being asked of him. Nobody could really figure out what the trigger was. Or triggers.
We did realize early on that the slightest move to move to his right side results in panic. We were able to work through that, so if you were very careful about it - not sneaky, that freaked him out, but just slow and methodic, heād let you over there. Not eyes, that was checked.
At some point we learned he was raised for a while with cattle, and was treated like cattle, including having a cattle prod used on him 
:mad:
At that point it was pretty much decided he needed to be retired before he really got started. A lovely woman funded his retirement in a fantastic retirement pasture and she visited him weekly for YEARS. She groomed him, no halter, just in the field, and fed him carrots. He never took another wrong step in all those years. A gutteral pouch infection bled him out one night and that was that. Not really a bad way to go.
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Whatever else hereā¦I want to know how she got an 18 month old human child into the horseās BOWELā¦and why? From the quote in post #9, I canāt quote out of a quote.
There was a thread last year, I think, by a gal in Florida that had two very young kids and a relative in Ohio that wanted to give her an unbroken, old Arab stud that had never been off the home farm. She was going to go up and get him with somebody despite no trailering experience or concept of how many miles you can really travel in a day hauling a trailer. Think there was a seldom ridden old mare included too.
Grammar was better IIRC but same kind of odd theories and statements.I thought of that one when reading this one. No idea why it popped into my brain.
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Iād rather think.all such posts were the work of one person, but sadly I doubt they are. There are multiple train wrecks IRL especially at the bottom end of horses. And Black Stallion Syndrome is fairly wide spread.
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@findeight, probably because I referenced it up-thread haha and I agree @Scribbler, I really do wish this was all just one person, and all fakeā¦I want to believe people arenāt criminally negligent and infectiously stupid :lol::lol::lol:
