UNITED STATES AMATEUR DRESSAGE FEDERATION

I had a whole long post written and the BB ate it. They’re ALL against me. They’ve even taken over the BB now.

Seriously, I have taken a lot of flak for my activity related to the proposed rule change/qualifying criteria. And I expect to continue to take it. Some members of the USEF Dressage Committee appear to be angry about what happened in November/December/January and that I (seen as the ringleader) keep saying what I think and asking for evidence.

This may be premature, because we may all just adore the “draft” that is soon to be forthcoming, but I am REALLY disillusioned by the refusal of USDF to release data, and I just have to speculate that there isn’t any data that supports the emotional arguments (see below) that are going to be used to try and justify requirements that are in principle elitist and exclusionary.

So maybe we just don’t have to play in their sandbox. We will be the United States Amateur Dressage Federation.

I am thinking that the only way I can support ANY qualification criteria is if it only applies to the elite riders who are aiming for medals in international competition. Leave the rest of us the hell alone, and cater to your talented darlings.

By the way, I don’t think I am one of the abusive riders we are to believe are being targeted by the rule change. I have my USDF Bronze Medal and 4th level scores for Silver–and would probably be allowed to ride at least at 4th level or even PSG under the proposal–at least one version of it that I have already seen. Who knows when we will see the next draft, but probably pretty soon.

I am really thinking that we can solve this whole problem (“the final solution”?) by just having a great big bonfire and burning our USEF and USDF cards. They won’t even miss us, probably. They can get money to self-perpetuate some other way.

We can create a new organization with our own brave judges who will give threes for crappy riding. But we won’t have to because actually the data show that there is almost no crappy riding anyway–or isn’t it being scored correctly?

They can have their pretty arenas with perfect footing and riders and horses, and we will plug around on our Quarter Horses and homebreds and they just don’t have to bother with us any more.

Oh yeah–and they can make their horses really happy, and avoid abusing them, by keeping them in stalls all day with their legs wrapped and stuffing them into boxes on airplanes to drag them halfway around the world to such animal and human meccas as … Hong Kong??? In August? Atlanta? In August?

And another thing–no more volunteers to run their Olympic Medal Machine.

Here’s some of what Anne Gribbons had to say regarding the unwashed masses in her 6/06 (yes, way back then) column in the Chronicle:

“The word “grassroots” has become almost a holy cow in our midst, but perhaps this would be a good time to revisit and assess this favorite critter of ours.”

“Perhaps we have a problem with the weeding process? Nature has a system of bringing the fittest to the front, which we humans should pay attention to, instead of fighting it all the time. If we developed a similar system in dressage, maybe we’d do better in the long run.”

THE USDF AND USEF WON’T HAVE TO CARE WHAT WE GRASSROOTS PEOPLE (WHO HAVE AND CONTINUE TO DEVOTE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF SUPPORT TO THEM) THINK IF THEY “CULTIVATE” (PARDON ME) MILLIONAIRE AND BILLIONAIRE OWNERS AND SPONSORS–BECAUSE ONE OF THEM IS WORTH HUNDREDS OF US PEONS. AND THIS IS A BUSINESS, AFTER ALL.

“What do the Europeans have that we don’t? A qualifying system to move up the levels. I know this concept will make some heads spin, but there is no doubt we need to do something–right now–to brighten our prospects for the future.”

“Why do we need a qualifying system? Because we’re not seeing the kind of riding nationwide that will make our sport progress.”

WHO IS TO DEFINE PROGRESS? IS IT MEASURED IN OLYMPIC OR WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP MEDALS? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO THE HORSES–SUPPOSEDLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT WE DO?

“There are all kinds of cruelty. It’s not always about the use of spurs and whips; it can be about being bounced on and pulled in the mouth by a well-meaning but clueless and uncoordinated rider day after day. The fact that you love your horse does not help his tired back and sore mouth. The horse’s welfare is the primary reason we need a qualifying system.”

I AGREE WITH THE FIRST STATEMENT IN THAT PARAGRAPH. HOWEVER, I HAVE SEEN BLOOD ON THE SIDES OF HORSES UNDER SOME WHO WILL BE GRANDFATHERED IN ACCORDING TO THE LATEST PROPOSAL. I HAVE SEEN SLAMMING AROUND ON THE BACK OF HORSES BY JUDGES. THEY WILL ALL BE GRANDFATHERED IN, PRESUMABLY? AND WHERE ARE THE JUDGES TO WHISTLE ABUSIVE RIDING OUT OF THE RING OR GIVE IT A RIDER SCORE OF 3? OR 2? HOW ON EARTH IS MAKING PEOPLE QUALIFY TO SHOW GOING TO STOP THEM FROM BANGING ON THEIR HORSES’ BACKS OR PULLING ON THEIR MOUTHS? THEY CAN STILL DO IT AT LOWER LEVELS AND THEY CAN STILL DO IT AT HOME, IN THE PROCESS OF TRAINING TO COMPETE AND GET POINTS.

BUT WHICH IS REALLY THE PRIMARY REASON? READ ON:

“A second good reason is our position in the international arena. We’ve struggled for years to reach the point where we’re sitting third in the world behind the German and Dutch juggernauts. But it looks like we’re about to lose ground again. Not because our top riders aren’t up to par, but because we don’t have enough of them.”

As George Morris stated in a recent column about the jumper riders, international riders must have a desire to “live” this sport, not just “participate.”

YES, LIVE IT BY TAKING CARE OF OUR HORSES. SO LET’S JUST NOT COMPETE.

“If you truly want to be a part of dressage, you’ll need to have a perspective of the entire game and a true perception of where you fit in the picture.”

MAYBE EVERYONE’S PERSPECTIVE IS NOT THAT OF WANTING TO GET MEDALS?

The USEF Dressage Committee already has a subcommittee working on the details of creating a qualifying system for our riders to progress from level to level.

IS THAT WHY WE ONLY SAW FRUIT OF THEIR LABORS IN NOVEMBER 2007? OR HAVEN’T WE BEEN PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION? I THINK WE ARE OVER THAT NOW, AREN’T WE?

Once our riders earn their way to the next level, there will be a real reason for self-congratulation–better trained and happier horses and, as icing on the cake, eventually a small army of new international American riders in the wings.

ARMY??? IS THIS A WAR???

Okay–so I will start working on the Bylaws of the United States Amateur Dressage Federation. There is absolutely no reason it can’t be done. We have lawyers and trainers and judges and business experts in our midst. I bet the big shot trainers will even still come and teach us and take our money, even if we aren’t “qualified” to compete alongside them.

What do you all think?

I’m in…just let me know where to sign up.

It takes a lot of courage to take a stand and you have my admiration and thanks. I will gladly join your army!

OOOOooooh, rosinante. You could even be a charter member.

TSB–charter member #2

[QUOTE=rebecca yount;3044836]

Seriously, I have taken a lot of flak for my activity related to the proposed rule change/qualifying criteria. And I expect to continue to take it. Some members of the USEF Dressage Committee appear to be angry about what happened in November/December/January and that I (seen as the ringleader) keep saying what I think and asking for evidence.

What do you all think?[/QUOTE]

What I think is that:

1-There is no empirical evidence of crappy riding. So either there is no crappy riding, or the judges are not doing their job to appropriately score down the crappy riders.

2-There is crappy riding, there is crappy riding bordering on abuse, and there is real, downright abuse. And the judges and TD’s are asleep at the wheel in policing their backyard, so they blame the great unwashed masses.

3-As I predicted earlier, when there is no argument to debate, the “ad hominem” personal attacks will start…guaranteed. The entrenched powers are very angry with Rebecca for challenging them…how dare she…yet, this is still the US and there is still a free press…so with thanks to the publisher of the COTH, this debate has been enabled…the power of the press.

The worst example of “abuse” I saw was at the Devon warmup with one of our Olympic riders coaching another well-known FEI rider on an Olympic horse. The horse caught my eye from afar because of the beautiful piaffe it was doing, so I went to watch. After 20 minutes of unrelentless spurring, the horse’s movement got worse and worse. Not a break. Not a pet or a stroke, or a caress of praise the entire time I watched…then next day the horse stopped dead in the GP fresstyle when asked to piaffe.

A well thought out idea. And yes, I suppose even the internet gremlins might be against it and eating your posts… afterall, revolution is not thought upon fondly during it’s time.

I’d do it.

Local GMO charges a $20 late fee if you join after November–but wait a minute, I’m a NEW member, how could I be late? :confused: :dead:

I even know a few judges who DO give 3’s and 8’s, and sometimes even in the same test.

Yes yes yes

Rebecca, you genius, go for it. If it is all the fault of these ‘unwashed masses,’ then by all means the USDF should be happy to see all these bouncy, needlessly spurring amateurs gone from their hallowed midst. Take your membership $ and pay it to an organization that will hold the judges responsible for what they put down on the score sheet. Some how, the amateurs suck, they keep on showing, they keep on moving up the levels, they keep borrowing $ to buy horses they CAN’T ride, and the judges judging them are POWERLESS to influence this. Me thinks the USDF needs to be relieved of the burden of overseeing all these hopeless, hapless, talentless wanna-be “dressage” riders. Amateur Dressage Federation YEAH !!

rebecca,

If that is really the purpose of the Performance Standards Rule (to start a two track system Pro/Ammie),
your idea of an Amateur Federation is an interesting alternative.

I would think there would be a opportunity for an organization that offered
shows/training clinics/seminars/performance recognition for amateurs.

If the Rule is passed, I wonder what the effect will be on GMOs? :confused:

Thank you (again) for having the courage of your convictions and for all your work doing an objective analysis of the statistics…

You would think the USEF DC would appreciate membership offering their skills “pro bono”! :no:

Wonderful!

I am so annoyed with the USEF, these days. I do wish they would stay out of the dressage ring. My personal opinion.

I applaude your efforts. I would be in…and I would be in for the card burning too.

Rebecca, I’m sorry they’ve done such a number on you.

Your posts have been level-headed, reasonable, fair, and tactful. The only thing wrong with them is that they don’t agree with certain Powers That Be.

The most obviously abusive rider in my region will not be affected. (Heck, she was set down by AHSA long ago for beating a fellow rider on the show grounds.)

The net effect of all this has been for me to reevaluate what I want out of my riding. And I’m concluding that instead of being part of their ‘army’ of freshly qualified upper level riders, that maybe I want to go in a different direction. If I can’t trust the judges to tell me directly on a scoresheet that I suck, how exactly am I supposed to find out?

From the ignorant masses (myself -I guess that would be mass)

Having just sent in money to USEF, USDF and next the GA regional dressage group. Having to to do this for three people in my family, it gets old. Forms, money, forms, money, forms, money. Looking up this and that. Getting it all right. It just seems a lot for the level that we are looking to compete at. What happened to all us weekend warriers, who ride a few times a week. Show dressage two or three times a year and just want to improve ourselves, our horses and just want to enjoy a competitive, regional sport with other, like minded individuals.

We are good riders, some of us ride almost everyday, some of us hold fulltime jobs, we love our horses and We do this for FUN!!!

We won’t be going to the Olympics and don’t really care about National high point awards.

I love the idea.

Rebecca, you go girl!

Rebecca, I admire you for what you’re doing, and if such a new organization came about, I would join.

I think there are likely many dressage riders that aren’t aware of the new qualification proposal. Not everyone reads the internet dressage boards and I think you’d be surprised at the number GMO members that don’t read the Newsletters or other GMO mailings. I think that the new proposal is going to pass before many riders even know about it.

[QUOTE=rebecca yount;3044836]
They can have their pretty arenas with perfect footing and riders and horses, and we will plug around on our Quarter Horses and homebreds and they just don’t have to bother with us any more…Oh yeah–and they can make their horses really happy, and avoid abusing them, by keeping them in stalls all day with their legs wrapped …And another thing–no more volunteers to run their Olympic Medal Machine.[/QUOTE]

This is a generalization.
I am in support of the standards proposal and I go extra mile to keep my mare on the full day grassy turn out that cost me extra $100.00 per month and I don’t ride in the legs wraps eather, as well as my mare is home breed, 1/4 arab, 1/4 TB and 1/2 WB and I’m an AA and do volunteer quite often. I also do dressage on a budget.

Bully for you!

I would love to see any dressage organization that stresses education over competition. But, I’m a pro. Can I join if I promise not to show?

Rebecca,

You Rock!!!

This show stuff is such a @#$% and there is no thought of the horses. I have been in Hong Kong in the summer it is beyond hot and humid. I would never put a horse through this. Also how can an Olympic medal winner ride as an Amateur in GP classes? I saw this in Welly world and she is listed in the ammy section of USDF. What is a blue ribbon if you are competing against true ammys in a GP class.Why would someone do that?

I teach novice riders so I have to ride in open classes. I would love to have a section for an ammy rider but educated enough to teach the start up riders for the future.It is hard because I teach better than I ride.

Good luck and know there are those that are behind you all the way.

Sign me up and let me know what we/I can do to help!! you are the bomb!!