Unwanted lesson auditors

[QUOTE=Kaylinne;8853903]
Thank you all very much for your comments & insights: Positive & negative. I have found them to be most helpful-really. For those who believe I have “blown smoke”, I actually presented the situation as I percieved the events. The student involved has a busy professional life so Sunday was our best chance for an assessment lesson. This individual’s personality is “get it done-now”, very competitive and also a very busy life. Sun eve seemed to fit. I asked the student to put it on the white board out of courtesy to the barn. The observer did not have a camcorder- rather an iphone. I had no idea post-lesson comments were being made. I typically finish with my student, put my equipment away & leave. I see that I have been rather naïve in approaching teaching. I am new to this side. I didn’t board my horses, so I either hauled in for any of my lessons with my instructor or he came to my farm. I continue to own a farm but liability insurance for me/my property to teach a few students is simply not worth it. My farm is a private one- not for boarding/lessons/sales. I frankly don’t have lengthy experience with boarding facilities. I see that the majority of responders here feel it is the norm to observe other instructor/riders’ lessons on a regular basis. Some posters have commented they are uncomfortable being observed others welcome it.
I feel my personal situation has resolved. I also have a better understanding of current expectations & accepted practices at some boarding facilities, thanks to your comments /advise . May I suggest we identify the take-home messages from this lengthy post that might benefit all vs finding means to refute the authenticity of my account or discuss the semantics, morphology & syntax of my posts, which I admit, are not edited & perhaps ought to be. My take-homes are: to “lighten up”, to learn more about current boarding accepted practices so I don’t over react should I decide to continue working with a few students, I need to diplomatically inquire if my students are having any outside issues ir are uncomfortable with any aspect of our lessons. I might suggest to some reading this controversial post, that good manners never go out of fashion. Thus it may be a courtesy to first ask if its okay to observe a lesson or lessons. If the student or instructor says, “sure, for a few lessons”, then honor that. If the instructor or student says, " Not for a while, please, as this is a nervous ride, or nervous horse, or, ir, or. Perhaps don’t assume its always okay. I have observed many many instructors over the years. I’ve always asked permission. Personally, I would feel uncomfortable watching lesson after lesson, unless I, too, were a paying student. But that is a personal choice. I came up riding in the 50’s & 60’s. My approach comes from a different era. I have not kept up with nuances at present-day barns. Times do change. For those whose opinion of me gleaned from these posts is that if a self-important, kniw-it-all, I apologize if I have offended you. I assure you, I am a tough cookie in many respects, but I have demonstrated great kindness, compassion & generosity to many people & animals over the numerous decades of my life. I believe horsemanship is a life-long pursuit that does nit include a finite date when one can declare, “I know everything about horses”. I do extend my apologies to those offended by my comments. I assure you, no offense has been intended. Happy, safe riding to all of you. Thank you for helping me on my rather-late-in-life foray into instruction. I have learned from your comments. Best wishes to this thread’s participants.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for telling us what “our” take away is. We may never have grasped that on our own. :rolleyes:

Best of luck and thanks for the lunch time reading. Truly enjoyable.

We could discuss the semantics, morphology & syntax of your posts, yes we could, but it would be better to start with simple spelling and punctuation. When you represent yourself as a professional woman with years of experience, having worked in a field which normally requires at least seven years of higher education, then yes, it is a good idea to edit your posts before clicking on that Post Quick Reply icon. Otherwise, you do yourself a disservice by creating doubt about your claims.

Also, when you have received several comments which clearly indicate how annoying it is to read long blocks of text without paragraph breaks and you choose to continue to write in that way, it just comes off as passive-aggressive behavior, which is probably par for the course since this entire thread is about you dealing with a situation which makes you angry but leaves you unwilling to directly confront the offender.

Kaylinne, you have presented an interesting problem which has elicited fruitful discussion. Your descriptions of yourself make you seem like a nice person and a good instructor. Please, use paragraphs so that the meat of your message doesn’t get obscured by the irritation which your format evokes.

So. Many. Words…

What kind of snacks are being served at the COTH mean girls meeting?

Since OP gave us all some takeaway lessons… Do we owe her $$$ now for the sage advice?!

[QUOTE=AliCat;8854066]
What kind of snacks are being served at the COTH mean girls meeting?[/QUOTE]

Guac

[QUOTE=PeteyPie;8853703]
Thank you. I was wondering how a retired corporate attorney could have such egregious writing skills. Perhaps it is a testimony to the efficiency of the clerks who work for attorneys and an indictment of her university.

As to the OP’s problem, I am glad it is resolved. She sounds like a fun instructor who strives to be nice and suffers for it sometimes.[/QUOTE]

Really?? I thought she sounded like a crazy old biddy (or thirteen year old playing crazy old biddy) who possibly suffers from Aspergers. Really, it seems beyond mere social awkwardness.

I also don’t get how someone in her 60s? Who has years of practical experience in the horse industry, enough to become a professional instructor working out of multiple facilities with successful adult students can manage to have non-existent people skills and know very little about the horse industry…But not accept that fact when faced with literally dozens of horsemen telling her her position is not at all normal for the industry in which she’s now a professional.

Strange all around.

Oh and I couldn’t even read ops last rant. I just can’t sort through the poor formatting to get to…what we all took away. So I don’t owe money. Or thanks.

Whoa…lots of claws out today…

No idea if the OP is made up, but I would understand the frustration from the student/client standpoint, if not the trainer standpoint. I think if you are a visiting trainer at a boarding barn, lesson “auditors” are just a fact of life. BUT, if it were me wanting to watch a lesson, I would ask my fellow boarder if they were comfortable with it! I love to watch people school, but I would never want to make someone nervous or distracted. If the story about the lady showing up uninvited to video the lesson is true, well that’s messed up and very inconsiderate to the student. The trainer, not so much…for all the reasons already articulated on this thread.

Why are so many people insisting on being so mean-spirited in this thread?? I seriously do not understand. The OP had said nothing rude or spiteful despite MANY very vicious posts. I am truly awestruck by the malice seen throughout this entire thread.

If you do not like the “format” of a post… don’t read it. Weirdly enough, I had no problem reading the OP’s most recent post, and found the content to be tactful and poised. Why the continued rudeness? Since when does the format of a post cause such an affront?

:confused::frowning:

[QUOTE=HJdaydream;8854277]
Why are so many people insisting on being so mean-spirited in this thread?? I seriously do not understand. The OP had said nothing rude or spiteful despite MANY very vicious posts. I am truly awestruck by the malice seen throughout this entire thread.

If you do not like the “format” of a post… don’t read it. Weirdly enough, I had no problem reading the OP’s most recent post, and found the content to be tactful and poised. Why the continued rudeness? Since when does the format of a post cause such an affront?

:confused::([/QUOTE]

I agree. And people say the Current Events forum is mean and nasty!

I didn’t have time to read a lot of this BUT I have to say I think it is incredibly rude to just show up at someone else’s lesson without asking first. I know people are going to watch me at a show. But my lesson time is mine. I am paying for it and I have the right to work privately with my instructor.

I have been at barns for months before I watched someone’s lesson because I don’t want to put someone on the spot by asking to do so when they might say yes out of politeness.

I think in some cases people might not object just to get along with others but I don’t see where anyone has the right to just show up and expect that no one minds.

I’m starting to think i’m either naive or just too nice - it wouldn’t occur to me to watch a lesson without asking the instructor/participant first if they were OK with it.

And i love watching lessons - do it a lot. Have never been told no thankfully either and usually thank them at the end as well. And it sure wouldn’t occur to me to video someone else’s lesson etc. I have had my camera present before and asked if they wanted pics in exchange for letting me watch. Thats always a popular yes answer :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=HJdaydream;8854277]
Why are so many people insisting on being so mean-spirited in this thread?? I seriously do not understand. The OP had said nothing rude or spiteful despite MANY very vicious posts. I am truly awestruck by the malice seen throughout this entire thread.

If you do not like the “format” of a post… don’t read it. Weirdly enough, I had no problem reading the OP’s most recent post, and found the content to be tactful and poised. Why the continued rudeness? Since when does the format of a post cause such an affront?

:confused::([/QUOTE]

Thank you for saying this. Makes me feel a little better that someone else also thinks this level of attack against someone who sees things a little differently, but is perfectly polite about it, is completely unwarranted.

I don’t know if the OP is yanking our collective chains, or is just very deficient in the people (and writing) skills but I thought the OP’s sentence "Thank you everyone for contributing to this interesting scenario" was very odd.

Considering the definition of the word (scenario) its common usage and that it was used by an attorney, it is quite an unusual sentence to say the least…

I don’t think anyone is trying to be mean to the OP, it’s just an odd story.

I think most everyone really did try to give good advice.

And a slur against people with Autism, nniiiccceee…

[QUOTE=Russinka;8854799]
And a slur against people with Autism, nniiiccceee…[/QUOTE]

Not at all. I’m completely serious about the op’s description of her social interactions reading like those of someone with aspergers. As well as her interactions with people on this thread.

Nniiicccceee try though.

[QUOTE=ladyj79;8854801]
Not at all. I’m completely serious about the op’s description of her social interactions reading like those of someone with aspergers. As well as her interactions with people on this thread.

Nniiicccceee try though.[/QUOTE]

Asperger’s is much more than just social awkwardness though and requires careful diagnosis by professionals, not random people reading a few paragraphs by a single author.

Though my issue with the comment was the way in which it linked “crazy old biddy” with autism as though that is an explanation for the behavior. Many women with Autism or Asperger’s go undiagnosed until they reach their twenties or older and are often told they are crazy, irrational or over reacting prediagnosis when they are suffering through sensory overload, shutdowns/meltdowns and struggling to form relationships or communicate. Autism isn’t crazy.

In much the same way that every sad person is not suffering from depression, every socially awkward person on the internet is not autistic or an aspie.

[QUOTE=Russinka;8854810]
Asperger’s is much more than just social awkwardness though and requires careful diagnosis by professionals, not random people reading a few paragraphs by a single author.

Though my issue with the comment was the way in which it linked “crazy old biddy” with autism as though that is an explanation for the behavior. Many women with Autism or Asperger’s go undiagnosed until they reach their twenties or older and are often told they are crazy, irrational or over reacting prediagnosis when they are suffering through sensory overload, shutdowns/meltdowns and struggling to form relationships or communicate. Autism isn’t crazy.

In much the same way that every sad person is not suffering from depression, every socially awkward person on the internet is not autistic or an aspie.[/QUOTE]

I know you’re in college and glad you are educating yourself. I am also sorry for your struggles with identity and depression, but be very careful you aren’t seeing everyone through the lens of a child who was bullied. You will be very lonely if you think everyone who disagrees with you is what?? An ignorant sadist? just a meanie?

So if you’re through educating me, I’ll be done psychoanalyzing you.

[QUOTE=ladyj79;8854815]
I know you’re in college and glad you are educating yourself. I am also sorry for your struggles with identity and depression, but be very careful you aren’t seeing everyone through the lens of a child who was bullied. You will be very lonely if you think everyone who disagrees with you is what?? An ignorant sadist? just a meanie?

So if you’re through educating me, I’ll be done psychoanalyzing you.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, way too far. I’ve agreed with most of your posts but diagnosing people with real psychological disorders over the Internet is beyond the pale. Makes me queasy. And again, this is coming from someone who really agreed with your take on this situation.