UPDATE Page 10 (I know you're all waiting by your keyboards to respond!) (I jest.) (Kind of.) Barn worker taking things - what would your expectation be of the Barn regarding consequences?

If the same thing went down a second time-- the employee had “appropriated” the item after having done that once before and was told that was wrong (either you had told her or I had), I’d come down hard.

I can’t have someone working for me that can’t follow directions or common sense (and also/or is stupid enough to wear the stolen vest to the scene of the crime. Actually, because that last bit happened, I think I’d be curious/incredulous to start by asking the employee WTF. In other words, if you told me that my employee had taken advantage of your accident and taken your vest, I’d want to hear her side of that. Anything other than an honest and plausible explanation would earn that “I can’t have anyone think stuff get stolen at this barn. Do you want to work here and can you comply with that? If not, no hard feelings, but there’s the door.”

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I can’t believe this thread has gone on for eight pages. Let me summarize:

OP is “aggrieved” and wants the Barn Owner (BO) to “punish” Staff Member (SM), presumably by termination.
BO evaluates the situation and decides which is more valuable, OP or SM.
If OP is more valuable, SM would be terminated.
SM is not terminated … hmmmm…
OP, clearly furious with BO’s refusal to “punish” SM, comes to the “COTH court of law” to air her “grievance.”
OP is shocked to find out that some in the “COTH court of law” disagree with her, and <gasp> hold OP partly responsible.
OP aggressively challenges anyone who disagrees with her, always with “reasons,” too often with hyperbole.
Yet, nothing has changed.

OP needs to come to terms with the fact that BO values SM more than OP. Accept it or leave.

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That’s not at all what I got so I don’t feel your summary is in any way accurate. The only people who disagree with the OP either don’t seem to like her personally or have a “finders keepers losers weepers” policy about life.

Also you forgot the “if I come across a car with the keys in the ignition, I can have it because that’s not stealing.”

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OP
Re Missing Martingale
Is it possible that your trainer or the groom who tracks up for you borrowed your martingale and forgot to tell you?

I was at a very large boarding barn and a trainer there borrowed another of his students tack because the owner of the horse forgot he was coming and didnt leave the tack out.
the trainer did ask permission first but if someone was in a hurry they may have taken your martingale and forgotten about it.

Hope you find it.

From my original post:

"So, I am wondering what others would do in this situation. I have tack and groom quite a bit because I have limited barn time, so I can’t lock my things away (or take them home). What consequences would you expect the BO to take?

I’m at a loss."

I am literally at a loss on what would be appropriate, which is why I sought other opinions here. The gloves are small potatoes, the vest is a bigger deal. Twice is a bigger deal. Being told the first time what the appropriate action would be and what the policy is (lost and found), and then taking the vest is a bigger deal. But. Its still “just” a vest.

I don’t feel more or less valuable. I’m just more or less concerned about my stuff and having someone with sticky fingers around it.

Where do you get I’m clearly furious? I’m upset because someone took my stuff, and that someone is an employee.

Actually, if you did read the 8 pages, you would see that I have thought about how some have said I’m over reacting, and I’ve said that’s valuable feedback. What I have defended is the idea that I’m some rude client who doesn’t care about my stuff or the barn being neat or whatever.

What I’m trying to figure out is

  1. If I’m overreacting
  2. What have others experienced when dealing with this situation

No more, no less. I’m not making any demands of BO, nor would it be my place to.

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I’ve asked trainer and groom. I had consolidated down my hooks because my semi-retired horse left to go to full retirement, and my young horse was out on rehab. I wanted to take up less space as I had fewer horses on the property. Two martingales hanging on one hook, when I returned a few days later there was only one. If it was in my trainer’s stuff I would have found it.

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It is a columbia omni heat vest. Not 20 dollar gloves, also not a $$ safety vest. I believe when I bought it at REI a couple of seasons ago it was around 120 dollars.

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Ok. Just thought it may have been a possibility. It may still turn up.
My horse s halter disappeared one day and I searched for it for a few weeks and I never found it. And then six months later it turned up in the tack room. To this day I have no idea where it had been.

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General conversation, please do not consider these direct quotes:

Me: BW, I think you have my vest on.
BW: Here you can have it back
Me: Did you find it?
BW: Maybe
Me: Then why isn’t it in the lost and found
BW: it was left here for two weeks
Me: BW, that was when my ribs were broken. I don’t care if it was two weeks or two months, you don’t take someone else’s things. This is just like the situation with the gloves!
BW: That was a different BW who was messing with both of us
Me: I never believed that, you apologized for taking them and said you wouldn’t do it again, and the current situation points to the contrary.

I walked off. Talked to the BO in a calm manner and let her know what had happened. I came here looking for opinions on if I was overreacting and what I might/should expect about the situation. Apparently instead I should do some soul searching as I am reactionary, messy, POS client. :slight_smile:

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that’s bold, “Here, you can have it back.” Wow. Just wow. Also, maybe is a BS answer and really unprofessional. She was on the job. She needed to say yes or no and explain how that vest made it onto her back. I’d be really upset.

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I don’t think you deserve the flack some are giving you, OP. Stealing is stealing. I’ve never rated the victim of a theft.

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Nickelodian, I am so sorry you had to go through all this stress about your stuff.

I have MS. I have a HORRIBLE memory, and sometimes it can take me a minute to realize something is mine (as in I researched it, selected it personally and paid for it myself.) Ever since I started re-riding I’ve left a trail of gloves, crops, coats, grooming tools, fly spray and lots of other things at the barns where I ride.

At the small private stable–I got everything back, often after the lady calls me to tell me where she put it.

At the much bigger lesson stable my riding teacher or her staff see my stuff after I leave and put it in the office, or somewhere I could see it if I just looked around. They never get after me about it, it is just the way my MS affects me. At the big stable I’ve gotten maybe 90% back, and what I lose is often like a hoof pick (my last loss.) The big lesson stable often calls me to tell me where the item is, or when I get to the barn they tell me where it is. I’ve lost some stuff but shrug, with over thirty horses, a busy lesson program and lots of borders I understand that if I leave something like a hoof pick it will probably get used and moved. Interestingly I ALWAYS get my fly spray back, but I am the only one at the barn who puts duct tape at the top of the sprayer.

After reading this thread I really appreciate how the ladies I ride with are so kind to me and take care of me and my stuff. I try to buy stuff that looks different from what everybody else is using which makes it easier for the people at the barns to realize it is mine and that makes it a lot easier for me to remember it is mine.

I hope you get your martingale back soon.

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I don’t care if it came from the dollar store or cost $1,200. Theft is theft. And the response from her was incredibly brassy.

I’m still wondering if she’s also lifting stuff from everybody else in the barn.

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So- wondering if you can lock your stuff up and leave key, assuming the barn worker isn’t also a groom… then it wouldn’t work.

totally aggravating. Now- funny story- “I” was a barn thief a few months ago when we trailered in for a visiting instructor. Hubby came to bring trainer lunch. Asked “can I help with anything”.
me: grab kiddos stuff (which was strewn around cross ties, all purple - gloves, wraps, bonnet etc)

3 hours later BM texts me “Did you take X’s halter?”
”No. I came with 2 horses and 2 halters, left with 2 horses and halters. “

I text with my friends indignantly because WTH dude- I’m not going to take a halter that isn’t mine :slight_smile:

We unpack hubby’s car - smacks head- there is the missing purple halter :slight_smile:

Anyway- Hope you get the martingale. Did you look in the other barn’s tack room?

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What TF did “Maybe” mean?

The “Here, you can have it back” would be enough to think I had to explain to my employee how to be professional by not taking something sweet she found in the Lost And Found box that wasn’t hears.

If I were a BO, I’d start there, If there was any smartassery about that, I’d be unhappy. But maybe it didn’t mean an answer that was meant to withhold information.

But, OP, why did you leave your vest lying around for two months? Or even two weeks? Because those are the same.

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I think she thought she might not be busted if she answered maybe? And given this was the second time, she wanted to avoid it? Don’t know.

I was wearing the vest on a morning that warmed up quickly. I took it off and left it by my trunk while I was riding. As I mentioned (what feels like 100 times) I fell off, broke my shoulder, my ribs, and hit my head hard enough to throw my helmet away. I left my vest, and just about everything else out when I left the barn. I don’t know when she snagged the vest (she said it was two weeks). I returned to the barn 6 days later and it wasn’t there. 6 weeks later was when she showed up with it on.

When I said to her “I don’t care if it was two weeks or two months” i was trying to make a point that it belongs in the lost and found, not on her body, no matter how long it was abandoned. If the lost & found is cleared out, then maybe things could be free for the taking.

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I can’t. Well not as long as I need Tack and Groom I can’t. They won’t even get in my tack trunk with a code on it.

I have searched all four tack rooms on the property (multiple times) and the barn property show trunks. Despite what others think, I don’t go searching in trunks that aren’t mine. For the gloves I found them when the other BW told me sticky fingers BW had them, walked to her trunk, and opened it for me. I didn’t open it myself. But they were right there, sitting on top.

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Really? That’s not what I said, at all.

But yeah some of us think the solution is put your stuff up. Stuff gets left out, stuff runs a high risk of being damaged, stolen or misplaced. Others logically point out, hey if there’s a petty theft problem in the barn the only solution is move barns.

Some people think the stall help should be fired for picking up a pair of gloves and wearing a vest.

Always three sides to a story. My side, your side, and the truth. I doubt the OPs situation is any different.

The solution is always put your stuff away. However, if you don’t for some reason like say you break your shoulder and fracture some ribs, it doesn’t mean people can just claim your stuff as theirs.

I get things walk off. I don’t get acting like the OP is at fault because of a fall that requires medical attention. I don’t get forgetting to put gloves away to have them gone the next day.

I don’t get having to worry about locking your stuff up because barn worker likes to just take it.

My god, the fact that people here are defending someone who takes unique items because they got left out is amazing. I’m really glad I don’t know if I actually board with some of you.

Whats even worse is a self proclaimed pro is saying it’s okay to steal people’s things because they got left.

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SERIOUSLY.

I have been the barn worker, the pro, and the client.

OP is a good client with multiple horses who pays on time and tips well.

OP should in no way shape or form be having to have conversations with the help about her stuff getting taken multiple times. Quite honestly this is one of those little things where the principle of the matter more than the monetary value would make me leave.

Life is too short and horses are too expensive to have to deal with this bullst in an allegedly professional program.

The fact that some posters are defending this complete nonsense is mindboggling to me.

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