Update: Purchased! I’m so in love! ❤️ - Thoughts on foal I’m interested in

[hoopoe]

I have not seen , if mentioned, what the mare ever did. Was she trained at all. Did she have injury, what type?

while I like this little foal, there seems to be a lot of ambiguity as to her registry potential and

@findeight

Be careful here. We got lots of threads on trying to get advertised papers from seller after sale is final. One is currently running, on Of Course (Honey). Never sign the deal unless you have the papers in your hand.

findeight always has clear points of wisdom

As is with the questions of the cribbing factor and the mares status inspection pending, this foal may be a little overpriced, pending those approval and papers.

That the owner is willing to come down such a large amount of the overall cost makes me feel a little uncomfortable. The fluid nature of the owners story, as you point to 3 days ago, would concern me as well

It is a chunk of money to set aside for a few years while this wee one grows up

Personally I would step back and bide my time pending the arrival of Fall and then take a look again.

Is the owner also taking the foal for presentation?

[JB]

@hoopoe

I have not seen , if mentioned, what the mare ever did. Was she trained at all. Did she have injury, what type?

it’s in the link to the filly’s sales page:
“She was sadly injured on the track as a 2 year old so she has no race or show record but has been sound enough to ride and jump”

not sure what the injury was. or why it meant no show record at all if she’s currently sound enough to jump. Maybe just no interest in showing.

@hoopoe

Is the owner also taking the foal for presentation?

Allegedly, to an upcoming sBs inspection

[findeight]

@EquestrianDawg92

from the videos I have received, both the momma and filly seem to have nice temperaments, which is definitely what I am looking for

Never knew a seller to provide pics or video of sale horses misbehaving plus its hard to gauge future trainability in any weanling, let alone one whose dam was performance career limited by undisclosed injury.

Just sayin….

[vxf111]

She’ll reply immediately and is both super helpful and super nice. But for the decision to use Q as the naming letter last year, I was going to put my foal in sBs. I ended up leaving him SF.

OP, I think this foal is very cute. At $10,000 she is maybe a smidge on the expensive side for all the question marks with her specifically but in the range of what is normal for a well bred and well cared for foal. Certainly some go for more but they have different parentage (both WB parents) or come from a well known program or are flashier.

Unlike some others here, I am not crazy fussed about which papers as long as they can get some papers. RPSI is almost always an option for a half warmblood foal. If you want to do breed showing or go for breed awards you will have more limited options with a less popular-in-the-us registry than in a more popular one, but also maybe you don’t care. If you breed her down the line, the registry may limit or change your options but that is so far off in the future and, again, you have RPSI as a choice in the background. So… if it were me, I wouldn’t care that much about GOV vs. Han vs. sBs etc. SF doesn’t offer much of anything in the US and it hasn’t really limited me much. My yearling has been doing hunter breeding and has had plenty of options. Honestly, being PA bred would have given him more options than being in a more popular registry.

Why do you want a foal, versus an older horse? That to me is the biggest question of all that remains a bit unanswered. Assuming you have a good reason and you like her breeding (and can deal with the cribbing risk, I guess), I think this filly is cute and sounds promising.

[vxf111]

Y’all PLEASE don’t freak me out with stories of horses that didn’t crib as foals and then suddenly started as older horses. Cribbing is my one TOTAL DEALBREAKER.

[DownYonder]

Having spent some years working with a German registry - including organizing annual inspections for a decade or longer and fielding tons of queries from mare owners - my advice is to NEVER take the word of a mare owner/breeder that a foal is eligible for registration with a particular registry. So many breeders are not knowledgeable enough about the process and some are downright untruthful.

Ask the seller for the dam’s full registered name, name of registry, and her registration number. Obtain the same info for the sire. Then contact the registry of choice and ask if a foal by that stallion and out of that mare is eligible for registration, and if so, for what type of papers (full papers or COP). Ask if the mare has been approved into their mare books and if so, which book. Ask the same thing about the sire. Ask what kind of fees you will be expected to pay. For some registries, even if the stallion is approved/acceptable, if he wasn’t activated with registry for the year of breeding, you will likely have to pay an extra fee.

If you truly want a registerable foal - and esp. important if it is a filly - do your due diligence and verify WITH THE REGISTRY that the foal is eligible for full papers.

[JB]

@DownYonder

my advice is to NEVER take the word of a mare owner/breeder that a foal is eligible for registration with a particular registry

Same goes for the stallion owner, sadly!

@DownYonder

Ask the seller for the dam’s full registered name, name of registry, and her registration number

That’s all taken care of, this is her
https://www.pedigreequery.com/carlotta21

But as a JC TB, it means (as a I know YOU know) there’s no WB registration possible. And that’s all entirely separate from breeding approval.

[EquestrianDawg92]

Aww. He’s super cute! I am really glad you shared these! I love greys. I distinctly remember telling myself I did not when I was scrubbing them down before shows or finding nice pooh marks the morning after all the scrubbing, but they’re just gorgeous!

[EquestrianDawg92]

I have been told this, but I have wonderful vets in Weatherford (one in particular) beyond phenomenal mare that is truly invaluable to me. We just did an ultrasound yesterday. I know it is not a guarantee by any means, but it’s certainly worth trying. There is no amount of money I would not pay to be able to go back and have had this opportunity with the mare I recently lost.

I did not ask for advice about my mare though.

[trubandloki]

@EquestrianDawg92

You don’t need to be rude.

???

This is rude?

@findeight

Never knew a seller to provide pics or video of sale horses misbehaving plus its hard to gauge future trainability in any weanling, let alone one whose dam was performance career limited by undisclosed injury.

Just sayin….

[EquestrianDawg92]

I really appreciate this! The reason I have not bred my horses up to this point is because I know I would probably fall in love and never be able to get rid of a single one of them. I wouldn’t say that is necessarily any less likely at this point, so you are definitely right. It is all just speculative at this point. It is more that I would like to leave the option to be able to breed her down the line open. I am not looking to get into breeding warmbloods for profit haha.

As for why I want a foal, I do not have specific reason other than that I loved bringing along my current mare. I guess it is sentimental. It just means that much more when you do see your work and dedication pay off. I have experienced a lot more of the devastation in losing horses that are literally invaluable to me recently. When you’re a kid, you do not really think about the fact that you’ll lose them eventually, and she really caught my eye. She makes me kinda excited and hopeful just from what I have seen, and I think it’s more about that than the money or logic.

[EquestrianDawg92]

It’s sarcastic and not productive.

I am here for useful feedback. I am not about wasting time reading useless comments. That’s just how it is.

[EquestrianDawg92]

Actually, it has been disclosed - just not to you.

[trubandloki]

@EquestrianDawg92

Actually, it has been disclosed - just not to you.

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@EquestrianDawg92

It’s sarcastic and not productive.

[JB]

@EquestrianDawg92

I am here for useful feedback. I am not about wasting time reading useless comments. That’s just how it is.

It really wasn’t rude, it was a few statements of fact. Nobody’s going to put out a video of a mare who’s freaking out because the guy next door was mowing the pasture, or a truck backfired, in a video trying to sell a foal based on the dam’s great temperament. Videos are to show the best of everyone, which is not necessarily reality. That’s why many others have suggested looking at other offspring by this stallion, looking more into the half brother out of this mare. That’s what every single buyer of a young horse, especially a foal, who hasn’t done much in the world, needs to do.

It’s no different from shedding a Reality Light on the whole registration/approval deal.

WE don’t know the injury. For all we know she bucked her shins in training and they didn’t feel she was good enough to rehab to bring back to training. Not a deal breaker at ll.

[EquestrianDawg92]

Well, I have really actually appreciated your feedback. I am definitely still in that research stage, which, of course, is why I am asking for thoughts about her. I can see what you’re getting at with elaborating on the video comment, but I really just do not feel that it was made sincerely. I am thankful for the time the owner put into taking that video, etc. I’m only about 90 minutes away from her, but I’ve been dealing with the same miserable heat, and I think most people ask for videos in order to get more of an impression of the animal. The good news and what really makes her comment unproductive is that the filly is local. I have yet to go see her because I do want to make an informed decision, and maybe it’s just me, but her little face is just so stinkin’ cute.

I definitely can see how this post has seemed kinda all over the place, and I, of course, appreciate being cautioned as to avoid a sketchy situation, but I do take responsibility for some of the confusion. I have communicated a good deal with the owner and my vet and done some research since making the initial post. I have never really made an effort to wrap my head around the different components of warmblood registries and breeding in the U.S., so it is definitely still a learning process on my end. I do not have a Facebook, so it was actually my Mom that found Rhianna and sent her to me. My mom is even more clueless than I am about the registries, but Kaitlin had mentioned that she would be good to go after her Oldenburg GOV inspection in September. Granted, that was over a month ago, and I got caught up in life, but Rhianna would cross my mind, so I reached back out to make sure she was still available and made this post. In the meantime, I have been texting with Kaitlin about Rhianna, and she says she has sent in the registration forms for sBs and that she will still need to do the DNA test and get her microchipped when they send her that info. I knew I was taking the horses to the vet yesterday, so I figured I would try to cover my questions during the time I scheduled. The appointment after me was canceled, so she got extra questions and watched the videos on my phone, which is admittedly cracked and not the best viewing quality, but she said to ask Kaitlin if she would be willing to have Rhianna trailer out to her for a PPE after she was weaned. Kaitlin asked if momma could possibly come along so Rhianna wouldn’t have to take the trailer ride alone, and my vet is totally fine with that. I am not opposed to it because it’s an opportunity to let her see the mare too.

I’ve also gotten to ask more questions about the mare and got the story about how she came upon her, so injury info has since been disclosed. I don’t have all the details, but racing TBs is intense and injuries are liable to happen. Is it ideal that she suffered an injury on the track? No, of course, but horses (particularly TBs) can get injured without it necessarily having anything to do with the quality of the horse. I love my TB more than anything, and he was too wimpy or slow or something to even make it to the track (thank goodness - because I was fortunate enough to find him at 6, and he has been everything I could have ever asked for). He is still a high-maintenance wimp with brittle feet, but if he was a mare, I would be transferring his embryos too. The mare had been kinda abandoned at a barn she was riding at with a broken knee and couldn’t walk, but she liked her conformation and temperament and that she is beautiful, so she bought her and put her through surgery. The mare has a screw in her knee, but she has supposedly not had lameness issues since. She had never seen her move or jump, and once she bought her and got her hands on her papers, she realized the mare was a Macho Uno foal. She was pleasantly surprised to see the mare move and jump, and Rhianna is the second foal she has out of her, so it’s happy ending.

[EquestrianDawg92]

From the video, which I am making observations from based on mere modern convenience, they seem lovely for a number of reasons, in my opinion. Will I drive the 90 minutes to Dallas to confirm that in person? Certainly.

I just found the comment off-putting and sarcastic, and I felt it was unproductive. But I was also raised in the southeast and may have higher perceived expectations of manners than others. Regardless, the comment just isn’t relevant.

[JB]

The comment was just as relevant as bringing up the facts that not all MOs or SOs are on the up and up on where their horses are currently up to date on breeding approval status, either out of ignorance, or purposefully hiding something. Given that you’re a lot closer to this situation than any of us, I think you’re the only one taking a little cautionary warning as rude and irrelevant. You made several remarks about what both of their temperament “seems like”, and how they “seems to have” a nice temperament so clearly it’s an important consideration for you. You just need to understand that a horse behaves at home in a familiar environment, doing things they like, isn’t automatically indicative that’s how they behave in other situations, including being asked to work and learn new things. You just need to understand that sucklings are one creature, weanlings are another, and fillies who grow into themselves with hormones are yet another.

There’s a reason that temperament and trainability are 2 things that stallions are graded on when going through the 30/70/100 day tests, and not just something that’s noted at their foal inspection and that’s that

People are just trying to look out for you, given your self-admitted newness to this whole thing

[EquestrianDawg92]

I mean no disrespect to you because I really have valued your input, but I disagree with respect to that comment. The sarcastic tone was intentional and disingenuous. I am new to buying a warmblood and investing, financially, to this extent in a foal, which is why I have asked for input, but those are the only aspects I am new to. I do trust my vet and will also have everything reviewed by my vets and surgeon in Georgia. Of course, she’s a foal. There’s risk involved, but it’s 10k. I’m not worried about disagreeing about that comment or its relevance because I am not buying off video, as the foal, the mother, and the half brother are local. If they turn out to be nasty shrews, I will redact my comment about the lack of relevance. Not all owners would be willing to haul a mom and foal for a couple hours to bring them to the prospective buyer’s vet, and I also feel like that’s a nice opportunity to be able to see them in an unfamiliar place with unfamiliar people.

I am not intending to be argumentative, but for the sake of brevity, everyone can rest assured that I will not be buying off video.

I am still researching registration and will definitely contact the individual you suggested! It’s really cool that there’s a Macho Uno offspring owner on here, and he’s real cute! If anyone has a foal in mind that they want to suggest, I am still open-minded and appreciate everyone’s constructive contributions.

[vxf111]

With all due respect, you’re being a little thin skinned. No one is being rude to you. Everyone is trying to help. Take what is useful of the advice and ignore the rest. This is the internet.