Updated barisone lawsuit 10/29/21 post 851

[Sdel]

@eggbutt

I will be spending the next few days enjoying the USDF Dressage Finals! Safe rides and great scores for all showing!

Barn trail ride this weekend.

[Knights_Mom]

Visiting the barn and holiday decorating outdoors! I may clean coop too.

[Angela_Freda]

State Championships for Freshman XC season.
I will be a wreck. And soaked by rain.

[Dragonfly90]

@Sdel

I’ll be waiting for your lengthy condemnation of IM as a sicko and hater for the stalking of GJ and Haleybot. Can I get an estimate on when I can expect it?

The information IM posted about GJ and Haleybot appeared earlier in this topic, some of it by the parties themselves, some of her info was in NY Times article and GJ herself posted on Dressage Hub with copies of her back and forth with LK (shows vulgar nasty comments to each other)and how MB contacted her for information about her issues with LK before the shooting. No stalking was needed by IM.

[BrendaJane]

I am thinking they meant LK’s actions, not IM’s

[BigMama1]

@Inigo-montoya

They” understand the nuances of the law perfectly. You don’t. As I’ve said elsewhere, it is just because of the nuances (which you totally misinterpret) that the insanity defense is so rarely used…or successful.
Under your interpretation every criminal defendant would try to plead insanity. NO…you pretty much need to convince the jury that when you were firing your gun into someone’s chest you actually believed you were firing into a bale of hay.
That’s not easy to do. MB may be successful…I have no idea.

So much nuance…

[eggbutt]

@Inigo-montoya

But there are many others in the equestrian world who do not post here but do read the forum out of curiosity and were aware it had become mostly an LK bashing site. I don’t come here to bash MB in response. I come to make sure the equestrian world…outside COTH…is informed.

I wonder why all these apparent friends of LK or IM who come to lurk and determine this is a “bash LK thread” don’t post something in her support explaining what a wonderful person she is, yadda, yadda, yadda. A while back someone new did come to defend LK, but rather than tell us how great a person she is in their eyes, they began bashing those of us who have found her less than wonderful on these threads. I would dance in the pasture if someone legitimately came on to actually defend LK as a wonderful, productive, kind, and generous person who is simply misunderstood by the rest of society.

“I come to make sure the equestrian world…outside COTH…is informed.” I wonder, informed of what pray tell? Again, your arrogance and attack mode has done nothing to show you in a positive light, but I’m also sure that you don’t really care.

[FitzE]

I’m curious. US criminal law and legal procedure folks: what person in what position would be in the confidence of the defendant, the victim, and BOTH legal teams?

Lawyers are very restricted about with whom they can discuss any aspects of a client’s case (be that client MB, LK, or the State of NJ). Other than the judge him/herself, I cannot imagine a person who would have both legal teams speaking with them about a criminal or civil case. Can any of you help me out here?

Could there be a mediator involved in the civil cases?

If such a position actually exists, would such a professional be blathering online about the knowledge they are privy to given their unique position or even the fact that they are in contact with the parties?

If no position exists that would provide such access, why would both legal teams be speaking to some random horse-world figure?

[Sdel]

@FitzE

Could there be a mediator involved in the civil cases?

If such a position actually exists, would such a professional be blathering online about the knowledge they are privy to given their unique position or even the fact that they are in contact with the parties?

No. All the mediations I have done are protected communications and not even the parties are supposed to be discussing the statements made during negotiations to outsiders.

[MHM]

@FitzE

If no position exists that would provide such access, why would both legal teams be speaking to some random horse-world figure?

Maybe the person also works in the hair salon next to the courthouse.

[Joanne]

@MHM

Maybe the person also works in the hair salon next to the courthouse.

or maybe works for 48 hours.

[FitzE]

Ah, a media figure. I had not thought of that.

Surely the legal teams would not be terribly open with such a person. Certainly not to the extent that the person would know “EVERYTHING” about both personalities and legal strategies, I would expect.

[Sdel]

@FitzE

Surely the legal teams would not be terribly open with such a person. Certainly not to the extent that the person would know “EVERYTHING” about both personalities and legal strategies, I would expect.

I would think 48 hrs would fire such a person if they ever found out. They would want to protect their intellectual property until the official airing.

[Knights_Mom]

@FitzE

I’m curious. US criminal law and legal procedure folks: what person in what position would be in the confidence of the defendant, the victim, and BOTH legal teams?

Lawyers are very restricted about with whom they can discuss any aspects of a client’s case (be that client MB, LK, or the State of NJ). Other than the judge him/herself, I cannot imagine a person who would have both legal teams speaking with them about a criminal or civil case. Can any of you help me out here?

Could there be a mediator involved in the civil cases?

If such a position actually exists, would such a professional be blathering online about the knowledge they are privy to given their unique position or even the fact that they are in contact with the parties?

If no position exists that would provide such access, why would both legal teams be speaking to some random horse-world figure?

There is no one. Nada. Zip. No such person exists.

It’s a fabrication. Like so many other things posted, this does not exist in reality.

[LilRanger]

The judge’s admin?

[Knights_Mom]

@LilRanger

The judge’s admin?

Court employees do not talk about cases and there would be hell to pay if you did. Also they don’t buddy up to attorneys for info.

[LilRanger]

Oh I know.

[FitzE]

Maybe, but, wow, what a dereliction of duty that would be to be on here gabbing with the riff raff.

One thing that I will say is an outright lie, is that any one person involved in this situation could know “EVERYTHING”. The lawyers for each side don’t even know everything about their own client, let alone the other side. The judge, in fact, only knows what’s revealed in the filings and in court. The actors only know about their own parts in the situation.

There is literally no one person who could possibly know “EVERYTHING” about anything, let alone about a complex incident like this. Any reasonable person with any kind of experience would know that.

[CanteringCarrot]

@Inigo-montoya

Wrong! I don’t boast about knowing everything constantly. I said that a while back and it has only come up since then from posters (like you) who want to bring up, again and again, the fact that
As I said to another poster just today…you have no reason to believe me…you don’t know me. I don’t care.

**Well, the thing is, saying you know EVERYTHING,
is a powerful statement. Therefore, it’s going to be brought up again. You’ve also stated a few times that you have info from all sides. This includes MB, LK, and their legal teams. That’s quite a unique position, so people are going to be curious. They’re going to continue to bring it up. I also think you care you wouldn’t post (even if they’re just replies) here so much and be so argumentative otherwise. **

I’m not on here for you or for any other poster on this forum. I’m well aware there aren’t certain people here who wouldn’t believe MB is guilty even if he confessed and described his actions minute by minute.

Which is odd since you mentioned earlier you only reply to posters and not post on your own. Sure, maybe you can’t figure out how to reply to the thread and not posters (it’s not that difficult though). If you’re not here for other posters, then ok, fair enough, it just looks like you are.

But there are many others in the equestrian world who do not post here but do read the forum out of curiosity and were aware it had become mostly an LK bashing site. I don’t come here to bash MB in response. I come to make sure the equestrian world…outside COTH…is informed.

Far more than a LK bashing site, if you care to look around. What a foolish statement. COTH has many more topics and can be a valuable resource to many. If you come here to make sure the equestrian world outside of COTH is informed…then why come to COTH? I don’t get it. If you’re concerned about the equestrian world outside of here be informed, then address the equestrian world outside of here (which would mean people that aren’t here, as in elsewhere)? If they don’t read these forums, you’re not addressing them.

As far as LK posting here I agree with you… that’s probably not a good strategy. However, I imagine if you or I were shot, put into a medically induced coma, on a ventilator for 3 weeks and woke up to read people on COTH basically saying it was my fault or I got what I deserved…you or I would be pretty upset too.

And if you don’t believe that’s exactly what a handful of posters here are saying and believe…we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

Re the last part, hard to say how you or I would react in such a situation. Plus, if it were you, I, or others, perhaps none of this type of stuff would’ve been said. That’s one of the things I wonder about; why were so many of these things said about LK? Was everyone simply making it up? Why? Which makes one think, theres something about this character that cause people to react in such a way.

If another equestrian of her level (so not “big name”) got shot, I’m not sure that the reaction would’ve been the same. There’s something about LK. At first jealousy was hypothesized, but there are numerous reasons as to why I think it isn’t that. Then what is it? Is it possible she is an unsavory character? Is it possible that MB just has more fans? Is it possible that someone started an agenda and others ran with it blindly?

I think many of us, in general, cannot relate to the actions or reactions of LK. So it’s a bit of a weak card to play. It’s also such a wild situation that many of us can’t predict what we would or wouldn’t have done. I mean, I can say that if I got shot out of nowhere and woke up to a bunch of people talking smack, I’d be like, WTH. Not sure exactly what I’d do or feel like doing about it. However, I think there are more details to this particular situation (more than someone being shot out of nowhere). Even if LK was a huge pain in the arse (not saying she was or wasn’t, I don’t know), that doesn’t mean she should’ve been shot. Dealt with in a legal manner? Yes. I also don’t actually know if any of this has damaged LK’s reputation any further in real life. Not being facetious, I just literally don’t know.

It’s just odd. What would drive a man in his 50’s with no past history of gun violence (or any violence? Idk) to shoot someone out of nowhere. That’s what some can’t grasp. To throw it all away. Over a “landlord/tenant dispute” this is why myself and others think there is more to it. I mean, I could be wrong, and that’s fine. It’s just all so…whack.

I think because the situation is so strange to us outsiders, none of it will really be believed until actual proof is shown and/or there are verdicts on the cases. Which is why there are all sorts of raised eyebrows when people claim to know details.

I will admit there are some that are very strongly swaying toward the MB side, if you will, which is a bit odd. I think it’s somewhat natural to have feelings about someone being driven to the edge and being so desperate that they act out in an outrageous manner in attempt to resolve the matter/find peace. However, I am not sure MB exhausted all resources and proper channels. I am not sure of the details. I don’t know him personally, so I can’t comment about his sanity at the time. I do know that it is extremely rare for 2 (plus all other involved parties I guess) normal, high functioning and mentally healthy adults to find themselves at such odds and in such a situation. So those involved possibly did not belong to the aforementioned categories. Purely speculation and trying to make sense of a crazy matter.

[trubandloki]

@FitzE

Any reasonable person

Those are the important words.