Updated barisone lawsuit 10/29/21 post 851

[IdahoRider]

@Equkelly

the guy shot her twice in the chest so I think she can refer to him however the eff she wants to.

Nope, not really. I mean, sure, in a dramatic and untruthful way. But legally there is a distinction and all those many months ago she kept referring to him as 'the murderer" and regardless of how much of a shit he is, he hasn’t been labeled a murderer.

Words matter. Meaning matters. Or we should just sit here and literally write “blah blah blah” at each other. We should be able to trust that we are all (anywhere on this forum) doing our best to be honest in how we portray ourselves and events. In LK’s case, she had a very traumatic event happen to her. But that doesn’t mean she gets a pass at being truthful.
Sheilah

[eggbutt]

@IdahoRider

In LK’s case, she had a very traumatic event happen to her. But that doesn’t mean she gets a pass at being truthful.

This. Always this.

[MHM]

Plus the term implies intent, which has yet to be proven by evidence in a court of law.

[BigMama1]

I’m just curious if MB were the one shot in the chest at close range, and LK the accused, would anyone object to him calling the person who shot him murderous?

[IdahoRider]

@BigMama1

I’m just curious if MB were the one shot in the chest at close range, and LK the accused, would anyone object to him calling the person who shot him murderous?

Murderous is not the same as being a murderer.
Sheilah

[Angela_Freda]

@Equkelly

This is semantics… why are we picking on her for this too now? Does it really make MB any better of a human just because she was lucky that the first responders and medical team saved her life? Murdering POS… attempted murdering POS… the guy shot her twice in the chest so I think she can refer to him however the eff she wants to.

“Picking on”? Correcting or clarifying isn’t " picking on".

And yes, its semantics. About a very serious situation, from both parties p.o.v., so yes, being truthful about it matters. Especially from one so astute wrt legal matters.

[BigMama1]

Fine. Would anyone object to calling LK a “murdering POS” if she allegedly shot MB at close range?

[eggbutt]

@BigMama1

Fine. Would anyone object to calling LK a “murdering POS” if she allegedly shot MB at close range?

Frankly, if she were still alive, the word “murder” in any form would not enter into the discussion.

[BigMama1]

If I were shot at point blank range, and I believed the accused shot me intentionally, I might well refer to them as a murdering POS. And I think in that situation most people would as well.

[Fiesta01]

I’ve been reading all these threads for two years. I still don’t understand the alleged motive of MB to kill LK.

Let’s suppose his intent in going to the house was to kill her, based on the supposed plan overheard on these tapes. Exactly what would he have gained from it? Yes, once he killed her, he would be rid of her. But, he would have still been in jail. How does that help his relationship with MH since, according to IM, she was the instigator of the plot and he wanted to save their relationship by removing LK from their lives.

It makes no sense, which tells me there has to have been another scenario playing out.

[FitzE]

This is the precise question I would have were I on the jury. What was this “plan”? Shooting two people in broad daylight while government officials (CPS) were on the property and then…what exactly?

How would anyone end up with her horses? Her property would go to her heirs and assigns, not random people who also boarded at the same facility or the trainer. That’s not how that works.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BigMama1

If I were shot at point blank range, and I believed the accused shot me intentionally, I might well refer to them as a murdering POS. And I think in that situation most people would as well.

I agree with BigMama. I think it is inappropriate to “call her out” as being “untruthful” when it’s obvious she is not trying to deceive anyone into thinking that MB is an actual, literal murderer since everyone —obviously — knows she is alive. I think she is expressing, very honestly, how she feels about the guy.

Nitpicking on the semantic point has the effect of trivializing the physical and mental trauma she has gone through. Is that the effect you were going for, IdahoRider?

[Sdel]

@Fiesta01

I’ve been reading all these threads for two years. I still don’t understand the alleged motive of MB to kill LK.

And apparently the motive is all over the map. It’s the biggest stinking plot hole in history that he went with the intent to murder her when supposedly he was just pretending to want her to leave in the first place.

[eggbutt]

@Sdel

@Fiesta01

I’ve been reading all these threads for two years. I still don’t understand the alleged motive of MB to kill LK.

And apparently the motive is all over the map. It’s the biggest stinking plot hole in history that he went with the intent to murder her when supposedly he was just pretending to want her to leave in the first place.

But anything we’ve speculated for two years is nothing but lies. None of it makes sense.

[Knights_Mom]

A murderer is one who has murdered.

A murderous act is an act in which someone was murdered.

Would be murderer is someone who had the intent to murder.

Can’t be a murder, a murderer or murderous act without a death.

[eggbutt]

@Knights_Mom

A murderer is one who has murdered.

A murderous act is an act in which someone was murdered.

Would be murderer is someone who had the intent to murder.

Can’t be a murder, a murderer or murderous act without a death.

True…I think most people would say “the POS who shot me”.

[Knights_Mom]

@eggbutt

@Knights_Mom

A murderer is one who has murdered.

A murderous act is an act in which someone was murdered.

Would be murderer is someone who had the intent to murder.

Can’t be a murder, a murderer or murderous act without a death.

True…I think most people would say “the POS who shot me”.

The assailant, alleged assailant. I personally would use the term perp.

And for me it wouldnt matter who was said to be the aggressor or the target (allegedly), LK or MB.

[BrendaJane]

well, semantics matter.
you know, Uncle Jack and his horse and all, whether a person is alleged to have committed a crime, or actually done it, and the extend of the crime etc…

So no, calling MB a murderous POS is not factual, as he has not actually killed anyone.
Hence he has been charged with attempted murder.

And calling folks names in a public space that are not factual (like ‘murderous’) can lead in turn to consequences for them (slander and/or libel suits)

And last, semantics decide whether or not an act is actually against the law.
And the devil is in the detail!

So I don’t think you can call somebody ‘murderous’ when nobody died (and flatlining does not count in this context, just saying)

[Knights_Mom]

Yes you are correct. To be a murderer the victim needs to be in an ongoing state of death. Flatlining then being resuscitated does not qualify.

[SierraMist]

Do none of you ever crack a dictionary? You don’t even have to crack a real book anymore, just google in your spare time.

of the nature of or involving murder:a murderous deed.

guilty of, bent on, or capable of murder(https://www.dictionary.com/browse/murder).

extremely difficult, dangerous, or unpleasant: murderous heat.

Definition of murderous

1a : having the purpose or capability of murder

b : characterized by or causing murder or bloodshed

2 : having the ability or power to overwhelm : DEVASTATINGmurderous heat

capable of or intending to murder; dangerously violent.

“a brutal and murderous despot”

Similar:

homicidal

brutal

violent

savage

ferocious

fierce

vicious

bloodthirsty

barbarous

barbaric

cruel

inhuman

fatal

lethal

deadly

mortal

killing

death-dealing

bloody

fell

sanguinary

• (of an action, event, or plan) involving murder or extreme violence.

“the most vicious and murderous acts of human aggression”

• INFORMAL

extremely arduous or unpleasant.

“the team had a murderous schedule of four games in ten days”

A person who’s murderous is cruel and violent enough to kill someone. If you are experiencing a murderous rage, it’s best to stay inside and away from the public.

very angry

a murderous look

She flew into a murderous rage