More than wee. Me, anyway, I think she’s one of LKs either family or besties.
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AA calls it a “dry drunk”. The same selfish, destructive and accusatory behavior without the substance of choice.
As the parent of an addict, who was on suboxone and abused it, I can say that the addict can be very dishonest and a master at gaslighting and manipulation.
Sheilah
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I’ve known 3 alcoholics/ addicts. All of them were functional as long as they had structure in their lives. Two of them fell apart when that structure was removed. I’ve lost track of the third.
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My thoughts exactly, and she/he is data mining for what people know. I would be extremely reluctant to respond to any questions there.
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I agrees, liberal, about the jumping person.
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So the gun WASN’T defaced?
I wonder how CPS would view the substance in the home.
Could MH have been concerned about all of it, but also how it might effect visitation with her kids if the Suboxone, or just the dangerous, threatening behavior were to come to light.
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It really, really makes no difference who they are. Ignore them if the provocative, threatening posts begin.
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Absolutely. And here are these tools calling CPS, calling building inspectors, before the shooting ever happened, they were acting out in ways which would ruin him. Which LK, early on when the posting started, admitted they wanted to do.
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The charge the other person cited is not for defacement. It’s the same charge, a different subdivision. Both 4th degree. I haven’t seen the exact charge.
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Talk about a pressure cooker.
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I’m so confused, but that’s normal.
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I know. He must have been so upset, the work 9n the house done wrong, having to move out, getting removed from the barn, housekeeper finding needles, boxes of suboxone, they are calling CPS, safe sport, building inspectors, putting up surveillance equipment, what a nightmare.
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Would the court possibly use a code that covers a range of violations? Maybe since the 2019 charge they have since narrowed down their codes and charges.
Who knows!
Where is this coming from? There was no housekeeper there.
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Statutes are statewide and they do change from time to time. Let me get a simpler example if I can.
Maybe I’m wrong? I thought I read that.
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Here’s what I posted on the other thread. Will drop it here too.
We really can’t tell from the court case website what the actual offense was. It says RC was charged with 2C:39-9D, which includes a lot of different weapons offenses, not all of which involve firearms. It does NOT include defacement of a firearm, which is in 2C:39-9 E . Here’s the text of D:
d. Weapons. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any weapon, including gravity knives, switchblade knives, ballistic knives, daggers, dirks, stilettos, billies, blackjacks, metal knuckles, sandclubs, slingshots, cesti or similar leather bands studded with metal filings, or, except as otherwise provided in subsection i. of this section, in the case of firearms if he is not licensed or registered to do so as provided in chapter 58 of Title 2C of the New Jersey Statutes, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any weapon or other device which projects, releases or emits tear gas or other substances intended to produce temporary physical discomfort or permanent injury through being vaporized or otherwise dispensed in the air, which is intended to be used for any purpose other than for authorized military or law enforcement purposes by duly authorized military or law enforcement personnel or the device is for the purpose of personal self-defense, is pocket-sized and contains not more than three-quarters of an ounce of chemical substance not ordinarily capable of lethal use or of inflicting serious bodily injury, or other than to be used by any person permitted to possess such weapon or device under the provisions of subsection d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5, which is intended for use by financial and other business institutions as part of an integrated security system, placed at fixed locations, for the protection of money and property, by the duly authorized personnel of those institutions, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
Screenshot of case search added:
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This is the murder statute for NJ from this 2013. It’s very likely 2014 or any subsequent year reads a little differently. It cites previous amendments.
Remember the game Clue where Mr. Brown killed in the library with a candlestick? That’s basically what a statute does, separate the elements of the crime.
Elements could include spontaneity, weapon choice, age of victim, other criminal acts, law enforcement status of victim, etc. So a 2C:11-3.a is different than a 2C:11-3.b
2013 New Jersey Revised Statutes
Title 2C - THE NEW JERSEY CODE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE
Section 2C:11-3 - Murder.
Universal Citation: NJ Rev Stat § 2C:11-3 (2013)
2C:11-3 Murder.
2C:11-3. Murder.
a.Except as provided in N.J.S.2C:11-4, criminal homicide constitutes murder when:
(1)The actor purposely causes death or serious bodily injury resulting in death; or
(2)The actor knowingly causes death or serious bodily injury resulting in death; or
(3)It is committed when the actor, acting either alone or with one or more other persons, is engaged in the commission of, or an attempt to commit, or flight after committing or attempting to commit robbery, sexual assault, arson, burglary, kidnapping, carjacking, criminal escape or terrorism pursuant to section 2 of P.L.2002, c.26 (C.2C:38-2), and in the course of such crime or of immediate flight therefrom, any person causes the death of a person other than one of the participants; except that in any prosecution under this subsection, in which the defendant was not the only participant in the underlying crime, it is an affirmative defense that the defendant:
(a)Did not commit the homicidal act or in any way solicit, request, command, importune, cause or aid the commission thereof; and
(b)Was not armed with a deadly weapon, or any instrument, article or substance readily capable of causing death or serious physical injury and of a sort not ordinarily carried in public places by law-abiding persons; and
©Had no reasonable ground to believe that any other participant was armed with such a weapon, instrument, article or substance; and
(d)Had no reasonable ground to believe that any other participant intended to engage in conduct likely to result in death or serious physical injury.
b.(1) Murder is a crime of the first degree but a person convicted of murder shall be sentenced, except as provided in paragraphs (2), (3) and (4) of this subsection, by the court to a term of 30 years, during which the person shall not be eligible for parole, or be sentenced to a specific term of years which shall be between 30 years and life imprisonment of which the person shall serve 30 years before being eligible for parole.
(2)If the victim was a law enforcement officer and was murdered while performing his official duties or was murdered because of his status as a law enforcement officer, the person convicted of that murder shall be sentenced by the court to a term of life imprisonment, during which the person shall not be eligible for parole.
(3)A person convicted of murder shall be sentenced to a term of life imprisonment without eligibility for parole if the murder was committed under all of the following circumstances:
(a)The victim is less than 14 years old; and
(b)The act is committed in the course of the commission, whether alone or with one or more persons, of a violation of N.J.S.2C:14-2 or N.J.S.2C:14-3.
(4)Any person convicted under subsection a.(1) or (2) who committed the homicidal act by his own conduct; or who as an accomplice procured the commission of the offense by payment or promise of payment of anything of pecuniary value; or who, as a leader of a narcotics trafficking network as defined in N.J.S.2C:35-3 and in furtherance of a conspiracy enumerated in N.J.S.2C:35-3, commanded or by threat or promise solicited the commission of the offense, or, if the murder occurred during the commission of the crime of terrorism, any person who committed the crime of terrorism, shall be sentenced by the court to life imprisonment without eligibility for parole, which sentence shall be served in a maximum security prison, if a jury finds beyond a reasonable doubt that any of the following aggravating factors exist:
(a)The defendant has been convicted, at any time, of another murder. For purposes of this section, a conviction shall be deemed final when sentence is imposed and may be used as an aggravating factor regardless of whether it is on appeal;
(b)In the commission of the murder, the defendant purposely or knowingly created a grave risk of death to another person in addition to the victim;
©The murder was outrageously or wantonly vile, horrible or inhuman in that it involved torture, depravity of mind, or an aggravated assault to the victim;
(d)The defendant committed the murder as consideration for the receipt, or in expectation of the receipt of anything of pecuniary value;
(e)The defendant procured the commission of the murder by payment or promise of payment of anything of pecuniary value;
(f)The murder was committed for the purpose of escaping detection, apprehension, trial, punishment or confinement for another offense committed by the defendant or another;
(g)The murder was committed while the defendant was engaged in the commission of, or an attempt to commit, or flight after committing or attempting to commit murder, robbery, sexual assault, arson, burglary, kidnapping, carjacking or the crime of contempt in violation of subsection b. of N.J.S.2C:29-9;
(h)The defendant murdered a public servant, as defined in N.J.S.2C:27-1, while the victim was engaged in the performance of his official duties, or because of the victim’s status as a public servant;
(i)The defendant: (i) as a leader of a narcotics trafficking network as defined in N.J.S.2C:35-3 and in furtherance of a conspiracy enumerated in N.J.S.2C:35-3, committed, commanded or by threat or promise solicited the commission of the murder or (ii) committed the murder at the direction of a leader of a narcotics trafficking network as defined in N.J.S.2C:35-3 in furtherance of a conspiracy enumerated in N.J.S.2C:35-3;
(j)The homicidal act that the defendant committed or procured was in violation of paragraph (1) of subsection a. of N.J.S.2C:17-2;
(k)The victim was less than 14 years old; or
(l)The murder was committed during the commission of, or an attempt to commit, or flight after committing or attempting to commit, terrorism pursuant to section 2 of P.L.2002, c.26 (C.2C:38-2).
(5)A juvenile who has been tried as an adult and convicted of murder shall be sentenced pursuant to paragraph (1), (2) or (3) of this subsection.
c.(Deleted by amendment, P.L.2007, c.204).
d.(Deleted by amendment, P.L.2007, c.204).
e.(Deleted by amendment, P.L.2007, c.204).
f.(Deleted by amendment, P.L.2007, c.204).
g.(Deleted by amendment, P.L.2007, c.204).
h.(Deleted by amendment, P.L.2007, c.204).
i.For purposes of this section the term “homicidal act” shall mean conduct that causes death or serious bodily injury resulting in death.
j.In a sentencing proceeding conducted pursuant to this section, the display of a photograph of the victim taken before the homicide shall be permitted.
Amended 1979, c.178, s.21; 1981, c.290, s.12; 1982, c.111, s.1; 1985, c.178, s.2; 1985, c.478; 1992, c.5; 1992, c.76; 1993, c.27; 1993, c.111; 1993, c.206; 1994, c.132; 1995, c.123; 1996, c.115, s.1; 1997, c.60, s.1; 1998, c.25; 1999, c.209; 1999, c.294, s.1; 2000, c.88; 2002, c.26, s.10; 2007, c.204, s.1.
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