Urgent: Transworld mares and youngstock

[Simkie]

Several Transworld bred mares and youngstock are selling at Centennial Livestock Auction this Wednesday in Fort Collins, CO, and will likely go to kill.

Mares that come with papers are:

Transrama
Winning Spin
Whatifyouwereme
Nightmare Doll

All mares can be assumed bred to Whotoldyouthat.

Also one unregistered mare to be sold, most likely younger and by Whotoldyouthat.

One 4 yo colt, Precisely Nicely. He looks to be VERY curious and sweet. He’s got a large scar on his barrel which may or may not impact a riding career.

Young stock is all weanlings/yearlings (maybe a 2 yo or two?) and there are 8 of them. I hear they are quite nice looking. No young stock is registered…suppose it could be possible. They’re all by Whotoldyouthat and out of the above mares or Indian Girl or Spin to Win.

Spin to Win has a week old foal and has been held back from the sale, but if anyone is interested in her, I can put you in touch with the owners.

Everything at the sale is chestnut with some white. They all look a LOT like Transworld. Good hips, well built, compact and powerful looking horses. Best guess is the adult horses are all in the 15.2 to 16 hand ish range. They are in decent weight…one mare is thin, but not alarmingly so. Young horses are unhandled and mares have not been handled in a long time. Feet are okay (they’ve been running on acreage) but teeth, worming and vaccines will need to be addressed.

We tried hard to get these horses sold privately before the auction, but it was a delicate, difficult situation. Time is now short

If anyone is interested, please let me know. I’m unsure how kosher it is to post notice of a public sale here, but these horses have some rare and fairly unique pedigrees and I just hate to think of them shipping to Mexico. I do have some pics, but don’t have names attached to most. They are all very similar in type.

If anyone is curious why Transworld is special: he sired Lonesome Glory. Perhaps others can speak more to his accomplishments.

[snowrider]

I would kill to get another horse with Hyperion that close up. I haven’t seen one since the early 90s. Argh. I wish I could take one.

If you want a horse that is smart as a border collie, scopey as can be and will jump literally anything you point it at* I highly recommend looking at these guys. My Hyperion grand daughter was the best beast in the world. There were a couple more relatives I rode and they were all the same. She was injured during a freak trailer accident but before that two advanced event riders offers to buy her. Which was 100% of advanced event riders in a several hundred mile radius. She could walk up to a 3’6" bounce then jump over the entire thing. Pogo sticks for legs. Went on to throw some nice babies, one of whom was a very successful polo pony weirdly.

Is there a rescue involved? I can’t buy a horse from this auction but I’d be willing to help someone else get one.

• may also jump some things you have not pointed them at.

[EponaCL]

I am fairly close to Centennial and am very familiar with these bloodlines. Who owns these horses, as I am willing to buy as many as I can afford, particularly the ones with papers. Is there someone I can contact by phone? Who owns spin to win now? and where is she? I don’t represent a rescue. I breed sport horses and I would appreciate any info you can give me. I will try to rehab and find homes for the ones I can’t use. For what it is worth, Transworld is a big heart sire. I have a retired jumper by him that won many many championships. Is there a way to do private messaging on here. Anyone wanting to help with the funding will be appreciated. Also, if a person wanted to get papers on the foals, who would know which ones go with which mares? It makes me sick to think that any of them would go to the kill buyers.

[Fred]

Thank you for posting, OP.
This just makes me sick and sad. Any horses being shipped is upsetting, but mares in foal breaks my heart.
I am too far away to take one, but if I can help please let me know.
Thank you for your willingness to help, EponaCL and Snowrider.

Is there anything about these horses on FB that we can share to help get the word out?

[Texarkana]

This is so upsetting.

I posted this on the other thread that poof disappeared, but I have a mare out of a Transworld daughter-- she has some freaky athleticism. She can use her hind end like no horse I’ve ever known, and I’ve known a lot of horses. She definitely inherited “bling” from her broodmare sire, as she has a good bit of chrome with belly spots and roaning.

I only say all this with the hopes that I may spark someone’s interest. Looking at the pedigrees of some of those mares and knowing what I know about my horse, there are a few I would gladly take sight unseen for sport horse breeding if I had the resources.

How else can we help?

[Simkie]

I agree this is an upsetting, frustrating situation.

The horses I have listed above will be sold at CLA tomorrow and it is not possible to arrange a private sale on them. I think it is exceedingly unlikely that papers will be possible on the youngsters, or to ascertain who is who before the sale. Epona, if you are interested in Spin to Win and her young foal, please contact me.

I think what we need most at this time are homes. It sounds like Epona might be the best shot, so perhaps we can work with her to take as many as possible.

If anyone is on the fence and is maybe thinking about taking a youngster, please take the leap and do it.

We do have a brutal kill buyer at CLA who gets his jollies driving up the bidding.

[zipperfoot]

There’s a CANTER group in Colorado–would they be able to help?

[kcmel]

Heard a lot of good things about Transworld as a sport horse sire. Good luck and keep us posted.

[vineyridge]

Can we try and raise money if EponaCL could stash the horses while homes are found?

[Simkie]

CANTER CO has made it very clear in the past that they will not help with auction horses.

My feet on the ground says these guys are a little smaller than initially thought… Call it 15-15.2 ish. Youngsters might get a little bigger with good nutrition.

There is also a bay mare in the pens. Might be Gossips Tidbit or unregistered (or unrelated to this group at all–unlikely but possible?)
The wound on the side of the 4 yo colt is still fairly fresh. Not flapping in the wind or anything, but still oozing.

Epona, I have your PM and will reach out when I get a break here at work.

[EponaCL]

it isn’t so much the initial outlay as it is the upkeep as the old saying goes. I have resources for taking care of them temporarily and probably have some one who can halter break the babies but he will have to be paid for time and board. Very reasonable but not financially able to do it for free. I am a sport horse breeder but have quit breeding until the numbers are way down. already sitting on unused mares with a wonderful stallion twiddling his thumbs for several years. One of my dozen or so retirees is a Transworld gelding who was a champion jumper at the A shows all over. I sent at least two Transworld geldings that were sold in Mississippi for the A show circuit, What a World and Rhinestone Wheels were their registered names. So to see these mares and foals go to the killers would just about break my heart. As a seriously senior citizen I am also having to pay for things i used to be able to do for myself, but have the facilities and I am willing to do as much as I can to save these guys.

TRansworld had the big heart gene and as near as I can tell from these pedigrees several of these mares, if not all of
them, have at least one bigX gene from him. On the Babies it is hard to say, but the fillies probably do. If I can get some feedback on people wanting one or having a friend that will want one, I will stick my neck out, but I will need some help to get everyone halterbroke, vaccinated, trimmed and so forth they can get on a trailer and go to a permanent home. The mares may have just weaned some of these youngsters so I may be able to get them to identify their babies again but so far have no idea. My place is 50 miles from the auction so won’t have time to actually go see them until tomorrow. PM me with a phone number or email address if you need more information today or can help with finances. Thanks again. EponaCL

[Texarkana]

EponaCL you are amazing for even considering taking these horses on!

I really wish I could help. If we can set up some sort of account, I’d be happy to donate a dribble to the cause, but with this time of year and my own horse expenses, it’s not going to be much. My heart wants to commit to purchase/take one of the horses myself if there is a person on the ground, but the cost of getting said horse to Tennessee would be WAY more disposable income than I can part with at the moment.

[clivers]

Just wanted to add that I have an amazing eventer who has Transworld as damsire (and looks like him). My horse jumped around the Fair Hill CCI*** in a foot of mud on his first try and won a CCI** (with his former owner)

This is how my guy jumps:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154501297395273&set=a.10150281256265273.510371.681770272&type=3&theater

[cloudyandcallie]

Oh rats! This disposal of old horses and the track breakdowns are why I changed from a racing fan years ago to being anti racing and anti breeding.
Disposable horses tossed away by owners. I don’t blame the meat men cause it is the owners who dispose of the horses instead of Euthing them.
Put me down for $100 if someone will buy one of the old girls.

[tucktaway]

Praying for a miracle, this is heartbreaking. Thank you, to all who can help!

[Simkie]

Giving this a bump.

The bay mare on the lot is the unregistered mare and is apparently by The Rufus and out of a Green Dancer bred mare. I’ve looked through what I know can’t figure out who she might be out of…any guesses, Epona?

Two geldings have also gone up–both bay/brown and out of the unregistered mare.

I’ve purchased the stallion Whotoldyouthat privately as the sale barn turned him away due to a leg/hoof injury. He’s currently tucked into my barn in Fort Collins (in the same stall that both Linda’s Pride and Piggy Church occupied, for those familiar with those Arapahoe Park horses) and I’ve got my vet on the case.

The stallion (I am calling him Fellow) hasn’t done ANYTHING wrong despite reports that “he used to be halter broke” and likely hasn’t been asked to do anything for 5+ (++++) years. He is very kind and sweet.

I know that this happens all over the country every day, but please help if you can. I’m tapped with the horse I’ve taken and his vet care and Mr. Simkie is not allowing a mare and foal (and he’s right, we don’t have the room.)

[Texarkana]

That is wonderful you have gotten one out of this situation and I hope the best for the remaining mares and young stock…

Sigh. If they were about 1000 miles closer to where I live, I’d be there with a trailer and cash in hand…

[JJ_sLuckyTrain]

[QUOTE=cloudyandcallie;8432760]
Oh rats! This disposal of old horses and the track breakdowns are why I changed from a racing fan years ago to being anti racing and anti breeding.
Disposable horses tossed away by owners.[/QUOTE]

I don’t know the details of where these horses came from, but a quick look at pedigrees indicates that this is a breeder (hoarder?) dispersal. None of these horses raced. They were likely all turned out together, mares with stallions. One of the mares from this group listed, though not in the sale, Spin to Win, has a registered foal by her own son. Talk about some up close inbreeding.

Sounds like the herd stallion, Whotoldyouthat, has a safe spot. I hope this means that breeding has ceased at the ranch where they came from.

I was really hoping I had won the lottery last night, but alas… I will certainly chip in a little – sounds like OP can use some help?

[vineyridge]

Simkie, if you look at the spreadsheet list of horses, there was a 1996 mare by Transworld out of a Green Dancer mare. Maybe first on the list.

[vineyridge]

I’m speculating that this was a situation where a reputable breeder got old and was no longer able to keep up. Probably loved their horses and just hung on to them. Then either became too ill to stay at home or died. If still alive, probably a bit senile and very difficult. Thus this situation.

The other alternative would be a nasty divorce with all that implies.

Life gets all of us eventually.