VA: Fox hound snatched by Peta employee; facing felony charges

Associated Press story Wed June 27, 2007

`Rescued’ hound returned, woman arrested
The Associated Press

COURTLAND, Va. – An animal rights advocate who said she was rescuing a stray will be prosecuted on a felony theft charge for loading a deputy sheriff’s hunting dog into a van and driving away.

A judge on Tuesday allowed the case to proceed against Andrea Florence Benoit, 25, who contends she was worried about the dog’s welfare and only wanted to return it to its owner.

The Chesapeake woman picked up the fox hound while working in Southampton County for Norfolk’s People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Prosecutors dropped charges against another PETA worker in the van.

A motorist who saw the women pick up the dog called Southampton County Deputy Sheriff J.T. Cooke Jr., an animal control officer for the county. Cooke found the van a few minutes later and discovered his Walker hound in the back.

Cooke testified that he had let out several of his hounds the night before to chase foxes, and one failed to return. The dog carried dye markings of numbers on its side and “JT” on its hip and wore a neon yellow collar bearing Cooke’s name and cell phone number, the deputy said.

[b]The animal also had been outfitted with an orange collar fitted with an antenna that could track the animal for three to four miles.

The tracking collar was found near the side of the road where the dog was picked up.[/b]

The women were following PETA policy by not directly trying to contact the dog’s owner through the phone number on the other collar, Benoit’s lawyer, Stephen D. Benjamin, said. They intended to call their office so PETA could reach Cooke, he said.

While General District Judge Robert B. Edwards said he had no doubt that Benoit believed she was doing the right thing, “the right thing in this case was a felony.”

The case will be heard in Circuit Court.

Ah those Peta nuts :smiley:

re: PETA caught in the act

When I moved to Loudoun County in 1989 I had a lovely country vet who kept foxhounds. One day while driving to work I saw a woman pulling a foxhound into her sports car across from his home/clinic. When I went to see him shortly thereafter I asked him if he got his hound back and told him what I saw. He gave me a funny look and went to the phone and called the local hunt. Seems one of the their champion hounds went missing after a hunt. PETA called them and told them they had the hound and were not bringing her back, the person who picked her up was their lead legal counsel. They took the dog out of state and said that the hunt was abusing it because they made the dogs run “SOMETIMES FOR UP TO 25 MILES”.:lol::lol::lol:
Anyway, I had to go make a statement to the police and because I remembered what the car looked like they got their hound back. The hunt was very grateful and asked me to come walk the hounds with them and gave me a Christmas present that year. What a bunch of ding a lings, but also dangerously off kilter ones.

I hope not to get flamed for this, as I do not support this woman or pretty much anything PETA does for that matter. What she did was wrong and theft. On the flip side though, is it normal to let your dogs out to go roaming all night? I realize this is probably open country, but I don’t understand the concept of opening your doors to let the dogs out to run all night. I am a product of the suburbs, so please be gentle.

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I hope not to get flamed for this, as I do not support this woman or pretty much anything PETA does for that matter. What she did was wrong and theft. On the flip side though, is it normal to let your dogs out to go roaming all night? I realize this is probably open country, but I don’t understand the concept of opening your doors to let the dogs out to run all night. I am a product of the suburbs, so please be gentle.[/QUOTE]

In many open places yes it is. Even if you aren’t a fox hunter. Heck my neighbors down the street let their dog out at night and it just wanders about as it pleases.

“the right thing in this case was a felony”

It is awfully hard in this case to plead any kind on innocent motive when you take off the hound’s tracking collar and throw it away.

I don’t have any allusions that she or PETA will change their ways because of being found guilty of a crime, but maybe now she’ll have a criminal record, probably be out on some kind of probation and maybe next time they can really throw the book at her.

Yeah- I’ve picked up strays in the past and get all happy to see a collar with phone number since it means I don’t have a dog to deal with- one call and reunited. I don’t see how being a member of PETA requires you to call their office to return a dog… I’m also suprised that it is a felony to steal a dog. Normally felony v misdemeanor is based on value of items stolen.

Actually- knowing how dingy some of those people can be, I can see where some dingbat animal lover could have picked up the dog, seen the paint and collar and thought it escaped from a lab or something, especialy someone not familiar with hunting. I probably would be confused if a dog like that showed up in my yard.

Have you checked the price of a top quality hunting dog? :yes: They are not
cheap, esp once fully trained. I’m thrilled to hear this woman is being prosecuted.

I guess it must be like horses- a whole different world with fabulous ways to spend money! He must have been glad to get the dog home.

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In many open places yes it is. Even if you aren’t a fox hunter. Heck my neighbors down the street let their dog out at night and it just wanders about as it pleases.[/QUOTE]

My aunt and uncle live near Cave In Rock, IL and this is common practice there. Unfortunately, it is also a dumping ground for strays. They, and their neighbors, keep a list of who owns what dogs. For any unidentifiable ones, they follow the SSS rule, otherwise they end up with packs that attack livestock.

[QUOTE=Orn1218;2527245]
I hope not to get flamed for this, as I do not support this woman or pretty much anything PETA does for that matter. What she did was wrong and theft. On the flip side though, is it normal to let your dogs out to go roaming all night? I realize this is probably open country, but I don’t understand the concept of opening your doors to let the dogs out to run all night. I am a product of the suburbs, so please be gentle.[/QUOTE]

When you take dogs hunting sometimes they get lost, thus wy the owner put several ways of identifying the animal and conatcting him on the dog. The normal person if they found the dog would call the owner directly, not cart it off so the owner would have to pay a fee to get it back from the shelter, or more likely they were going to try to get away with never contacting the owner and placing the dog in a “better” home.

Some details for y’all

I can put this incident into context for those who might be interested in background information.

There are different types of foxhunting in the US. What most folks might be familiar with is the “English style” of foxhunting, complete with scarlet, Meltons, shiny horses, etc.

But there is another type of foxhunting in the US; particularly in the South. They are often referred to as “night hunters”. In such a case, the hounds are released in the area to be hunted, and the hunter tracks them by the sounds of the hounds speaking.

There is also coon hunting, deer hunting, all sorts of hunting done on foot with one or more scent hounds.

In Virginia, we have been having a LOT of problems with people picking up dogs actively hunting, and being stolen. The hounds are either working, on their way home, or have lost the scent - but they are not dumped dogs, and they are not strays.

In these cases - most, if not all the hounds have been wearing tracking collars. The hounds have been disappearing in a certain area over a span of time, and their collars have been found discarded on the road - or in some cases, in bodies of water like lakes or ponds.

In the case of this trial, PETA employees have been (allegedly), specifically targeting hunting dogs and taking them, removing their tracking collars - and the hounds are never seen again. They are not adopted out - they are euthanized just like all the other animals PETA takes in.

So many hunting dogs have disappeared that legislation was sponsored, and it passed, that makes removing a collar from a hunting dog a felony in Virginia.

Please understand that this was an intentional act - not an act of a kind but mistaken person trying to do a good thing. The area in which this incident occurred had so many hounds disappearing that the police put the area under surveillance.

If any of y’all hunt, you know that hunting dogs are often very shy around strangers, and won’t willingly jump into a waiting vehicle unless it belongs to their owner or another trusted human. I have no doubt that these people somehow restrained an unwilling dog, took off its collar and disposed of it - and also would have disposed of the dog had they not been caught.

There is a local animal rights group (bunch of nutters affiliated with PETA and HSUS) that sent an email out complaining loudly that this legislation was passed protecting hunting dogs.

I’m sure all of us at one time or another has taken in a wayward animal - and promptly contacted the authorities and/or the owner to ensure it was reunited with its owner. This is not the case in the incident referred to in the OP’s post.

Again, many breeds of hunting dogs are released at night, to return the next day. Depending upon the species hunted, the preferences of the hunter, the type of hound - those are all variables. But lots of folks, particularly in the South, hunt with their dogs - and it’s not the “English style” foxhunting many of us are more familiar with.

As an aside, if you ever get the opportunity to go out hunting with these hounds - it is just wonderful.

This person being tried represents just one incident - but as I said - the police were aware of hounds disappearing and tracking collars being found discarded along this stretch of highway. They just happened to catch this one PETA employee - but there are many other disappearances, with witnesses - that had the same particulars.

From what we know of the other trial of two PETA employees (who were convicted of littering for dumping euthanized animals in a strip mall dumpster) - PETA does not operate a shelter - and they are not in the business of adopting out animals. They euthanize almost every animal in their custody - even if they promised the owner a good home or a chance at being adopted.

Jessica,

Well said!

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals - What a load of crap.

I could say it more eloquently, but I am sure the COTH moderators would give me the boot! :slight_smile:

Send them to Gitmo. Domestic terrorism at its finest.

Don’t get me started on that !(@!!(*@$% group. I’ve been following this case from the start. Makes me want to vomit.

Forget Gitmo - send these folks to Camp JSwan.

Glad someone spoke of “Southern Styled Hunting”

Reminded me of being a child at my grandparents where they raised July Hounds (anyone know that breed??) My grandfather could be heard out late at nights with the hounds hunting.
Grandmother always had a huge pack of these dogs and now that I’m older I can appreciate them. There are some very "elite " breeders of these dogs now.
They lived out in the country and owned all of the surrounding land for miles. I couldn’t imagine thieves picking them up!! It should be criminal

i don’t condone someone taking off a tracking collar and snatching the dog but on the other hand there are some pretty pitiful hounds running loose with no identification
most people that hunt with dogs have a kennel license due to the amount of dogs they have, in my county you can get a kennel license easily, i have one, one of the stipulations for a kennel license is the dog is either confined or when out under the control of the owner at all times, it is not the law in va that you can let your dog run all night without supervision
i’ve returned many hounds who had identification, or if they had a tracking collar wait for the owner to find them, there are so many loose around me that we actually have a little 10x10 pen for any hounds who are not just passing through, you can tell the ones that are passing through, they say hello and move on, for the ones that are hanging around, running after my goats or driving my dogs crazy i pen them up and either call a/c or if they have id call the owner
anyway, i had 2 nice hounds here with tracking collars and id on them, good thing i called the owenr was way out of range
the way i rescue hounds is if it is pitiful with no id i turn them into a/c, let the a/c officer handle trying to track down the owner and then officially adopt the dog after the waiting period, the last thing i want is some guy coming along saying i neutered his prize dog
and i have picked up dogs along the road, if they don’t have tracking collars, really if you live in the country you can tell the abandoned dogs, they are the same dog going up and down the roads for days, most hunting dogs will go home at some point
well there’s no excuse for snatching a dog with a tracking collar on

Courtland is very rural. “Treeing walkers” are often used to hunt raccoons, so no it would not be unusual for them to be out at night. Totally agree with JSwan on PETA.

PETA…what a bunch of alpha hotels with no grip of the REAL world…just some simulation game they play in DC.

People Entitled tobe A…ses - that’s what it really stands for.

GITMOs to good for them.

It makes me just furious. Put her in a pen with some of the diseased monkeys over in Vienna or wherever that place used to be.

Donna
Novice’s Mom - yep - he’s a Foxhound!!!

I"m a member of PETA2

People Eating Tasty Animals - I don’t eat the beef, veal, pork or Bambis (stuff that ever had eye lashes - I know, but it’s trauma-nduced eccentricity from being in vet school) but my hubby does and I sure don’t chastise anyone else about it. I do wear leather shoes and TACK!!! And chse Coyotes, etc…so I"m NOT a PETA freak.

I have a punishment for her…force feed her veal!!!

Donna

Yeah! July, Trigg, Bywater - all important lines.

You know what really gets my goat? The fact that there are a lot of really godawful jerks who give hunters a bad name.

I think it’s a real black eye for lawful and ethical hunting - with dogs, rifle, bow, black powder, etc.

Most hunters take really great care of their huntin’ dawgs. To the untrained eye, these hounds often appear “thin”, and often have scars or other honorable wounds. But these are not poorly kept hounds! They’re just very healthy, fit hounds with bumps and bruises from doing what they do best.

On the other hand, there are those, and y’all know who I’m talkin’ about - who take horrible care of their hounds. I refuse to call them hunters - they are just trashy people who lack compassion for any living thing.

The best we can do for our sport is to be good ambassadors, and to explain how our hounds are cared for, why they might have some scratches or scars, and to explain how hunting with dogs works.

It is NOTHING like what the PETA/HSUS types portray. There’s enough real abuse and neglect out there - I wish AR groups would focus on that instead of perfectly legitimate activities.

Thanks to the Virginia General Assembly, it will now be a serious crime to remove a collar from any hunting dog.

For those who lost their hounds - and just found a collar in a pond, in a ditch, or alongside a road - I’m sorry for your loss. They ended up being stuck with a needle and placed into the big freezer at PETA headquarters.

I hope this person is convicted.

For those who lost their hounds - and just found a collar in a pond, in a ditch, or alongside a road - I’m sorry for your loss. They ended up being stuck with a needle and placed into the big freezer at PETA headquarters.

I’m suprised you don’t hear more press about PETA condoning this type of behavior. For all the good they could do, they focus on crap like this. There are millions of stray and neglected dogs, plus plenty of people in the cities and suburbs that let dogs out to kill cats or each other…and they focus their efforts on rural hunting dogs.

Seriously- my friend- good person, animal lover, gives them money hoping they are helping chickens, promoting vegetarianism, helping cows get a better life and strays. I would love to see a publication NYT, washington Post do an expose on how they waste donations stealing hunting dogs- beloved in some cases no doubt- and euthanizing them.