Very hypothetical question...is this mare broodmare potential?

[stoicfish]

I’ve disagreed with Bayhawk many times but I really never got the impression he hates horses (including Tb’s).

Fred that recently passed away was a great example of a horse that was talented and had all the right characteristics of producing sport horses. His offspring is going to the Olympics (Go Canada).

However, to say that most Tb’s bred for racing should not be used for Sport Horse breeding is not unfair or is it a symptom of hating them. It is a case of them not being suited/bred for the purpose. They don’t make great kids ponies as a rule either.
If someone took the best suited Tb mares they could find and bred them to the best sport Tb stallions for 5 generations with all the rules and selection that is used for sport horses, then you would see some consistency and a group that would consolidate the desired genetics that you see randomly in racing Tb’s.
The successful Tb’s in Wb pedigree’s are the 1 in a 1000’s animals that happened to have consistent and desired genetics for Olympic sport horse breeding.

Why do you have to be labeled a Tb hater if you believe in selective breeding for a purpose?

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=stoicfish;8749083]
I’ve disagreed with Bayhawk many times but I really never got the impression he hates horses (including Tb’s).

Fred that recently passed away was a great example of a horse that was talented and had all the right characteristics of producing sport horses. His offspring is going to the Olympics (Go Canada).

However, to say that most Tb’s bred for racing should not be used for Sport Horse breeding is not unfair or is it a symptom of hating them. It is a case of them not being suited/bred for the purpose. They don’t make great kids ponies as a rule either.
If someone took the best suited Tb mares they could find and bred them to the best sport Tb stallions for 5 generations with all the rules and selection that is used for sport horses, then you would see some consistency and a group that would consolidate the desired genetics that you see randomly in racing Tb’s.
The successful Tb’s in Wb pedigree’s are the 1 in a 1000’s animals that happened to have consistent and desired genetics for Olympic sport horse breeding.

Why do you have to be labeled a Tb hater if you believe in selective breeding for a purpose?[/QUOTE]

no one on this thread so far has said the mare should be bred. i think we are all in universal agreement to not breed her.

however, the current conversation is because one poster swept an entire industry with vitriolic hyperbole – “all of the TC horses were horribly conformed/crooked legs”. an exaggerated statement if i ever saw one.

honestly, the double standard in many WB circles is incredible.

[Texarkana]

[QUOTE=stoicfish;8749083]

Why do you have to be labeled a Tb hater if you believe in selective breeding for a purpose?[/QUOTE]

There’s a difference between selective breeding for a purpose and statements like these:

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;8748817]
This is the current problem with the TB industry. They don’t give a crap about conformation. They only care about speed. This is why we continue to see these horrific and heartbreaking breakdowns time after time.[/QUOTE]

@Bayhawk;8748944

There are no conformational guidelines in TB breeding. Just look at the triple crown races this year. Almost every horse coming to start gate had horrendous leg conformation. Legs going in every direction but straight !

@Bayhawk;8748944

TB breeding for racing is terrible in my opinion.

I think he made it pretty clear he’s not a fan of the TB industry.

And then there’s some of his recent comments on other threads, unrelated to this one…

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;8745345]Unbelievable ! Gone away from this site for a while and it’s the same ol thing as the last time. TB’s , TB’, TB’s , TB’s…this TB produced this 50 years ago. Wow ! Lookey there ! There is a sporthorse on the first page of the pedigree ! Wow ! Lookey at the fatherline . Super producer only 8 generations back !

Someone asked me the other day why our country has had had minimal results in breeding sporthorses. I told them because we don’t breed performance to performance. I can also now point them to this thread.[/QUOTE]

A real lover of the breed, there. And you know what? That’s fine. But when you start publicly making sweeping judgemental statements about an industry you disagree with, you should probably make sure they are based on fact and not your misguided opinion of how you THINK things work.

[Dr_Doolittle]

It is the very real contempt and condescension which is unnecessary and gratuitous, here. This attitude is not “educating” anyone, it is simply insults and spleen venting…

“Shooting from the lip” with childish insults not backed up by facts is SO reminiscent of someone else who lives to rile people up, with language and temper befitting a four-year-old.

Hmmm…

I have no dog in this fight; I am a very small time amateur breeder (with two WBs) who has had a number of nice TBs over the years, all of whom did well in sport.

I tend to agree that the mare in question should not be bred “just because that’s the only thing left for her to do”, and because she has some good TB bloodlines.

If she had a long and illustrious performance career during which she not only stayed sound, but was competitive? If her foal was correct and didn’t have any of her conformational flaws? Maybe, but there are still many TBs mares out there who are turned into broodmares “just because they have a uterus”, with mixed results.

It is shame to lose valuable TB bloodlines, though! A good Thoroughbred is wonderful horse :), despite the opinion of a certain someone on this board.

[D_BaldStockings]

One could ask The TB insulter about his personal mares’ performance records, since he posted about breeding ‘performance to performance’ but…

And don’t say anything about Fine Lady doing so well for Eric Lamaze: while not at all a Thoroughbred she is lacking in the bloodlines of his breed of choice.

In breeding terms she is by a showjumper out of almost exclusively Dressage-successful lines.

Athletic is athletic, folks. It does take an athlete to run faster than other breeds of horses on the planet. Or to do that over 'chasing jumps or timber.

Looks win halter classes and Keurings and foal inspections, not GP Dressage or Jumping or top level Eventing.

Everyone has an opinion and they are free to express it here. Heaven knows the WB breeders don’t need Tb’s upsetting their very well marketed applecart.
Enough said.

[omare]

Ok well to show my lack of eye I thought the mare was pleasing to look at…I like her shoulder and how her neck flows into it and the the length between her hip and point of haunches…and I think it is pretty cool she is by giant causeway and that sicambre is on the same page. But breeding is expensive and so are breeding mistakes. That is why folks stick with the proven. Did you say she had foals before?