Victoria Colvin and Clearway

[Mara]

[QUOTE=AffirmedHope;7655433]
True I did miss that and he did place with Chelsea Moss at WIHS in the lower Top 10 one year.

But the point is, he never reached the same level of success that he had with Brianne. I’m sure Chelsea’s and Lillie’s family paid quite a bit of money for him but they obviously did not buy any wins.[/QUOTE]

If I’m not mistaken Chelsea still owns Logan and is supporting him in his retirement. The Mosses bought him after Brianne’s Maclay year and leased him out once Chelsea aged out.

Betsee likes to support up and coming young riders whose families might not have the means to buy them a string of ponies/horses. I think it’s fantastic - she’s got a top pony jock right now (name is on the tip of my tongue but I’m sure someone will post it), and maybe someday she’ll take over the junior hunter rides on Way Cool, Ovation, et al and do the eq on Clearway.

I am sure Caitlin was disappointed, but that is the game. Just about everything is for sale at the right price and unless you have the kind of money that the Goutals, Kesslers, Farishes, Keenans, etc. have, this will not be the first time a favorite mount is sold on. It happens, and it will happen to Tori once she’s a pro, no doubt. There are not many pros in the top ranks who could afford to compete as amateurs at that same level.

[soloudinhere]

[QUOTE=harrisburgrules;7655445]
could you imagine if lillie had logan NOW?[/QUOTE]

Why would she need him? There’s a whole new generation of top eq mounts now. I was more impressed by her riding a less-made horse and making him up to a finals winner, personally.

I have ridden a very good eq horse and it is not true that you need to be some amazing rider to ride them. I was pretty disappointed in the riding shown at finals. I think outside of maybe the top 4, none of those riders could get on a dressage horse and ride a first level test, or go ride a cross country course, without falling on their face. They’re good at what they do-- riding a set course, in a ring, on a broke horse. Not much to brag about there, IMO.

[harrisburgrules]

[QUOTE=soloudinhere;7655452]
Why would she need him? There’s a whole new generation of top eq mounts now. I was more impressed by her riding a less-made horse and making him up to a finals winner, personally.

I have ridden a very good eq horse and it is not true that you need to be some amazing rider to ride them. I was pretty disappointed in the riding shown at finals. I think outside of maybe the top 4, none of those riders could get on a dressage horse and ride a first level test, or go ride a cross country course, without falling on their face. They’re good at what they do-- riding a set course, in a ring, on a broke horse. Not much to brag about there, IMO.[/QUOTE]

not making a statement… just a casual comment. i don’t think you can argue that lillie today would look pretty awesome on logan, since she was so great on him when she was young. all i was saying.

also, that is ridiculous and insulting. these riders could clearly do all of those things.

[soloudinhere]

[QUOTE=harrisburgrules;7655454]
not making a statement… just a casual comment. i don’t think you can argue that lillie today would look pretty awesome on logan, since she was so great on him when she was young. all i was saying.

also, that is ridiculous and insulting. these riders could clearly do all of those things.[/QUOTE]

Lillie looks awesome on anything because she is thin, leggy, and blonde.

I beg to differ. The flat phase was pretty miserable. Bad leg yields, and only like 5 people even did a half pass correctly. The wheat from the chaff was pretty obvious. Even in the work off, Lillie was miles away better than anyone else.

[harrisburgrules]

[QUOTE=soloudinhere;7655456]
Lillie looks awesome on anything because she is thin, leggy, and blonde.

Truth.[/QUOTE]

oh god. here we go. you clearly don’t have the skills you think you do if you don’t recognize that lillie keenan is extremely talented.

truth.

[soloudinhere]

[QUOTE=harrisburgrules;7655459]
oh god. here we go. you clearly don’t have the skills you think you do if you don’t recognize that lillie keenan is extremely talented.

truth.[/QUOTE]
Never said she wasn’t talented. I think she’s exceptionally talented and a lot more gracious than some others on the top of the juniors list.

I don’t know why you need to be talented to look good on your former eq horse. She looks good on anything. And I’m glad she’s not making a career of being an eq rider, because that leaves you pretty much nowhere at age 18.

[harrisburgrules]

[QUOTE=soloudinhere;7655462]
Never said she wasn’t talented. I think she’s exceptionally talented and a lot more gracious than some others on the top of the juniors list.

I don’t know why you need to be talented to look good on your former eq horse. She looks good on anything. And I’m glad she’s not making a career of being an eq rider, because that leaves you pretty much nowhere at age 18.[/QUOTE]

i don’t literally mean “look” good on him like she would proportionally fit him. i mean they would make a great pair. you are wayyyyy over thinking this

[supershorty628]

[QUOTE=harrisburgrules;7655454]
not making a statement… just a casual comment. i don’t think you can argue that lillie today would look pretty awesome on logan, since she was so great on him when she was young. all i was saying.

also, that is ridiculous and insulting. these riders could clearly do all of those things.[/QUOTE]

Do first level tests even canter? Genuine question.

I agree with harrisburgrules. But we all know that previous generations were better… we hear it all the time… these durn millenials can’t ride

[soloudinhere]

[QUOTE=supershorty628;7655473]
Do first level tests even canter? Genuine question.

I agree with harrisburgrules. But we all know that previous generations were better… we hear it all the time… these durn millenials can’t ride ;)[/QUOTE]

Yes, first level tests include canter work and lateral work, including the leg yields that a whole bunch of riders blew in the flat phase.

[RugBug]

[QUOTE=BAC;7655243]
Tori is a great rider, but she is not a pretty rider, not a stylist at all, but she still continues to do well in the eq classes .[/QUOTE]

Really? She’s not a pretty rider or a stylist? If you don’t call becoming one with the horse and melting out of view a style, then I agree. Otherwise, I say would say she is exactly what equitation is about: a soft, quiet ride that produces amazing results in the horses. She isn’t stiff and posed into a “pretty” position…but she’s sooooo natural and just disappears. THAT is good equitation and what should be rewarded.

[harrisburgrules]

[QUOTE=soloudinhere;7655480]
Yes, first level tests include canter work and lateral work, including the leg yields that a whole bunch of riders blew in the flat phase.[/QUOTE]

i’m gonna go ahead and guess that first level dressagers couldn’t jump a 3’9" oxer

[busylady]

[QUOTE=soloudinhere;7655456]
Lillie looks awesome on anything because she is thin, leggy, and blonde.

I beg to differ. The flat phase was pretty miserable. Bad leg yields, and only like 5 people even did a half pass correctly. The wheat from the chaff was pretty obvious. Even in the work off, Lillie was miles away better than anyone else.[/QUOTE]

Lilly is thin, leggy and blonde but I’m not sure that all those things have much to do with why she looks awesome on a horse.

I agree the half-passes were less than stellar, but in fairness the half-pass is a third level movement. It is pretty insulting to say that none of the riders could get on a first level horse and do a first level test (you know 20-meter circles, serpentine, extended trot and canter) :sigh:

[Janeway]

[QUOTE=soloudinhere;7655456]

I beg to differ. The flat phase was pretty miserable. Bad leg yields, and only like 5 people even did a half pass correctly. .[/QUOTE]

I have to agree with this! I was rather horrified that most of the riders did a leg yield when asked to half-pass. Not that I rode much in the big eq, but I did know that difference. :yes:

[soloudinhere]

[QUOTE=busylady;7655497]
Lilly is thin, leggy and blonde but I’m not sure that all those things have much to do with why she looks awesome on a horse.

I agree the half-passes were less than stellar, but in fairness the half-pass is a third level movement. It is pretty insulting to say that none of the riders could get on a first level horse and do a first level test (you know 20-meter circles, serpentine, extended trot and canter) :sigh:[/QUOTE]

well, no, but if you know that it is a movement that can be called for in a test, and you actively DO THE OPPOSITE MOVEMENT (a leg yield maintains the opposite bend from a half pass) then you’re not really showing yourself to be capable of riding at that level.

Let’s not talk about 3’9" fences like they’re some kind of monstrous feat of riding. Grand prix fences? Sure. But 3’6-3’9 is a speedbump to these eq horses and you can see it in how flat they jump-- which of course they’re selected specifically for that trait so that they don’t jostle their rider out of position.

[harrisburgrules]

[QUOTE=soloudinhere;7655509]
well, no, but if you know that it is a movement that can be called for in a test, and you actively DO THE OPPOSITE MOVEMENT (a leg yield maintains the opposite bend from a half pass) then you’re not really showing yourself to be capable of riding at that level.

Let’s not talk about 3’9" fences like they’re some kind of monstrous feat of riding. Grand prix fences? Sure. But 3’6-3’9 is a speedbump to these eq horses and you can see it in how flat they jump-- which of course they’re selected specifically for that trait so that they don’t jostle their rider out of position.[/QUOTE]

why do you hate eq riders so much?

[ynl063w]

[QUOTE=soloudinhere;7655452]
I think outside of maybe the top 4, none of those riders could get on a dressage horse and ride a first level test, or go ride a cross country course, without falling on their face. They’re good at what they do-- riding a set course, in a ring, on a broke horse. Not much to brag about there, IMO.[/QUOTE]

Do dressage riders and eventers diss the top riders in their sports during/after important events by surmising that none of them could put together 8 to 10 flawless jumps in one course while either showing off their horses to their very best advantage (hunters) or maintaining textbook perfect rider form (equitation)? Or do they appreciate them for what they do well because they understand the meaning behind the phrase “jack of all trades, master of none”?

I’m genuinely curious because, having little interest in those disciplines, I never read those forums.

[RugBug]

[QUOTE=soloudinhere;7655509]

Let’s not talk about 3’9" fences like they’re some kind of monstrous feat of riding. Grand prix fences? Sure. But 3’6-3’9 is a speedbump to these eq horses and you can see it in how flat they jump-- which of course they’re selected specifically for that trait so that they don’t jostle their rider out of position.[/QUOTE]

I think a whole lot of Dressage riders would have big problems stringing together a course of 3’6" -3’9" fences, whether you think they are big or not. They might get over, but it probably won’t be pretty or “correct.”

Since when is half-pass called out as a “movement that can be called for in a test?”

[meupatdoes]

[QUOTE=supershorty628;7655473]
Do first level tests even canter? Genuine question.

I agree with harrisburgrules. But we all know that previous generations were better… we hear it all the time… these durn millenials can’t ride ;)[/QUOTE]

First Level tests include walk trot canter, leg yields, lengthenings, a halt from the trot with no walk steps, picking up the trot again with no walk steps, a stretchy circle, and in Test 3, some counter canter.

[soloudinhere]

[QUOTE=RugBug;7655523]
I
Since when is half-pass called out as a “movement that can be called for in a test?”[/QUOTE]

It’s not. But neither is leg yield, shoulder in, haunches in, or any number of lateral movements that are called for regularly in flat phases.

[Pennywell_Bay]

[QUOTE=soloudinhere;7655456]
Lillie looks awesome on anything because she is thin, leggy, and blonde…[/QUOTE]

BLONDE!! Damn it, that’s what I’m doing wrong.