Victoria Colvin and Clearway

There are few owners like BP who are willing to buy nice horses and pay to have them campaigned by people who are not blood relatives.

This used to be a fairly common practice but with the costs of showing where they are there aren’t many who can do this just for fun any longer. Some breeders will campaign a stallion, but that is more of a business proposition.

Even with as much money as BP’s horses win, I still can’t think they are breaking even.

Why are we complaining that someone is a generous soul and buys really really nice horses and ponies and lets others ride and enjoy them? I don’t know her personally but she seems to take good care of them and doesn’t seem to cycle through them because they are over shown and breaking down.

I hope that someday she’ll want to buy an Olympic level jumper for a really talented person who may need some financial support to get there.

I also hope that if Tori ends up being a trainer that she’ll pay it forward and help out a junior if she’s able to down the road.

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There are few owners like BP who are willing to buy nice horses and pay to have them campaigned by people who are not blood relatives.

This used to be a fairly common practice but with the costs of showing where they are there aren’t many who can do this just for fun any longer. Some breeders will campaign a stallion, but that is more of a business proposition.

Even with as much money as BP’s horses win, I still can’t think they are breaking even.

Why are we complaining that someone is a generous soul and buys really really nice horses and ponies and lets others ride and enjoy them? I don’t know her personally but she seems to take good care of them and doesn’t seem to cycle through them because they are over shown and breaking down.

I hope that someday she’ll want to buy an Olympic level jumper for a really talented person who may need some financial support to get there.

I also hope that if Tori ends up being a trainer that she’ll pay it forward and help out a junior if she’s able to down the road.[/QUOTE]

well said!

why do people criticize? one word: jealousy. i’m sure those same people who are criticizing would not hesitate to turn down a ride on a Betsee Parker horse. if you say you would turn down rides on amazing horses if given the opportunity… you are lying. if you are not lying… you need to be evaluated.

When watching a few recent videos, I find it interesting, although I LOVE the horse, that he makes a noise…not a big deal in the EQ, just a comment. I had not heard him do so before…

The new partnership of Clearway and Tori will do great things…Hopefully, Caitlin will have another opportunity with another horse to do also have an excellent year.

And the Horse Show world is not welfare. Owners are not obligated to buy horses for those riders that can’t afford it; talented or not…

Tori Colvin is probably one of the most talented juniors in the last decade or more. And she seems like a very nice person. It’s great that she is able to have a backer of that caliber provide her with outstanding horses. She is one of the future professional stars to watch,
hopefully for many years…

Like some have said, life is not fair…

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why do people criticize? one word: jealousy. [/QUOTE]

You know, I don’t like the haters, either…but what I really hate is this response. No, not everyone that criticizes is jealous. Some are, sure (youngers ones, usually. Older people have usually given up on jealousy).

IMO, one reason for criticism is that they just haven’t stopped to think through the logical outcomes of their opinions. “level playing fields” and all that are buzz words that, while very legitimate in some instances, do not apply to leisure sports.

EVERLY (5191768)
Aliases: EVERLY, EVERLYCHIN DE LA POMME
Foal Date: 3/12/2004
Breed: BELGIAN WARMBLOOD
Color: Bay Sex: M
Sire: MALITO DE REVES
Dam: WERLY CHIN DE MUZE
Membership Type: Life
(effective 05/26/2011)

This is a top bred mare–out of a top mare fmaily (if I have the dam’s name correct) Maybe the owner will get into the breeding end of it if she is not already!USA breeding could use the boost.
dam info:
http://www.spycoastfarm.com/view/38/werly-chin-de-muze

The real problem is not bp supplying horses for junior 3’6" riders. The issue I have is the need owners like her feel to buy 10 something ponies to be campaigned by kids already doing the 3’6". There is absolutely no reason for a kid that does the 3’6" eq, jumpers, hunters, whatever to also be doing the medium ponies. I feel like ponies should be kept separate from the big kids, if they want a horse they should do children’s or 3’3" juniors, but when you see a kid doing the high children’s jumpers in the morning and small ponies in the afternoon, it gets a bit ridiculous.

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The real problem is not bp supplying horses for junior 3’6" riders. The issue I have is the need owners like her feel to buy 10 something ponies to be campaigned by kids already doing the 3’6". There is absolutely no reason for a kid that does the 3’6" eq, jumpers, hunters, whatever to also be doing the medium ponies. I feel like ponies should be kept separate from the big kids, if they want a horse they should do children’s or 3’3" juniors, but when you see a kid doing the high children’s jumpers in the morning and small ponies in the afternoon, it gets a bit ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Life’s not fair. The sooner that people accept that the better it is for them in the long run. Is it a hard concept for an 11 year old? Absolutely! Use it as a teaching moment. In life you will always fall somewhere in the middle. There will always be people with more than you have and people with less.

Use moments like this to help your children to learn to appreciate what they have and to accept where they are in life. If a six figure pony isn’t in your family’s budget, have your child learn to ride the pants off of whatever pony she/he is lucky enough to show. I guarantee you there are 100’s of kids who would gladly trade places with the children showing against the pro pony kids at Devon, WEF, Harrisburg etc etc for the experience and who would be completely happy with a good ride and no ribbon.

I’m not saying that this is always the case but a good many of the medium ponies that are teaching our next generation of riders safely were campaigned early on by the kids you are complaining about now. Those ponies that can teach a kid the ropes safely are worth their weight in gold especially if they model and hack:) That just doesn’t happen over night, it happens over a long time of good training, good show ring experiences and good management.

Like it or not, there are very few 14 year old kids who are good enough riders to take a green and/or difficult medium pony through the ropes. Trainers and owners recognize this and that’s why you see many of the same kids showing multiple mounts in classes. Remember trainers can’t show ponies, so you need a junior.

I have a hard time thinking that if your child was asked to show a fancy medium pony and she was doing the high children’s jumpers at the same show that she’d turn it down.

Not that it matters but Caitlin was also “gifted” Clearway after he was already on the map, so she was extended generosity much in the same way as Tori. He wasn’t ripped out from under her, she got an amazing opportunity to show the current hot eq horse and now someone else gets a chance. I don’t know Caitlin at all but I do know that Tori is a class act who loves her horses and is the most hardworking person I have ever met. She does it all, and does it with a smile. I will always root for her and I’m glad she has BP in her corner.

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Not that it matters but Caitlin was also “gifted” Clearway after he was already on the map, so she was extended generosity much in the same way as Tori. He wasn’t ripped out from under her, she got an amazing opportunity to show the current hot eq horse and now someone else gets a chance. I don’t know Caitlin at all but I do know that Tori is a class act who loves her horses and is the most hardworking person I have ever met. She does it all, and does it with a smile. I will always root for her and I’m glad she has BP in her corner.[/QUOTE]

Agreed! Tori does not just ride and hand over the reins, she really works her butt off behind the scenes! That kid has a ridiculous amount of natural talent, competitiveness and determination. I am happy to see BP giving her great horses to show, she has earned it. She really loves the horses also!

ummm the kid riding VIP now is definitely not a “rich one”

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ummm the kid riding VIP now is definitely not a “rich one”[/QUOTE]

Not to debate anyone’s balance sheets, but I think “rich” is an entirely appropriate word to describe ANY kid who’s shown at Devon, Pony Finals, etc., on a pony they own. Get a little bit of perspective, please.

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Not to debate anyone’s balance sheets, but I think “rich” is an entirely appropriate word to describe ANY kid who’s shown at Devon, Pony Finals, etc., on a pony they own. Get a little bit of perspective, please.[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure she does not own a single animal she shows.

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Agreed! Tori does not just ride and hand over the reins, she really works her butt off behind the scenes! That kid has a ridiculous amount of natural talent, competitiveness and determination. I am happy to see BP giving her great horses to show, she has earned it. She really loves the horses also![/QUOTE]

True. A while back someone here posted about watching Tori school a mare; when the pair came out of the ring Tori told her mother that she was going to give the mare a bath to cool her off and then take her for a walk. Not hand her off to a groom. Sure, she probably does need to hand horses over to the grooms from time to time - when you ride that many it’s a necessity. But she obviously takes horsemanship very seriously.

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Pretty sure she does not own a single animal she shows.[/QUOTE]

This…

As the mother of a kid who has taken an inexpensive platypus of a pony and made him up into a champion because she rode every distance and landed every lead while the kids on the much fancier ponies missed a change or a distance, I can say that it takes work to make it look easy. I have NO doubt that Tori works very hard in and out of the saddle. It is incredibly generous of Betsee Parker to buy rides on super horses for hardworking riders.
It does bother me a little to see one name winning champion and reserve in the small and large juniors with four different horses that she is showing for one owner at a big show. However when I am honest with myself I have to admit I would be doing cartwheels if it was my kid in the winner’s circle. So it is just jealousy motivating my feelings and that needs to be put aside as being jealous of someone else only hurts me, lol.
I hope Clearway is happy in his new home and good luck to Tori in the equitation! I am sure the previous rider will pick up the ride on another nice horse.

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Pretty sure she does not own a single animal she shows.[/QUOTE]

And that’s supposed to mean she’s not well off? I think Tha Ridge’s point is valid. Just about anyone ttraining and showing at that level is “rich” in comparison with the rest of the U.S. when a family can waste what many families net in a month on what amounts to a child’s hobby, they really can accurately be described as rich.

“level playing fields” and all that are buzz words that, while very legitimate in some instances, do not apply to leisure sports.

Very much this.

Just about anyone ttraining and showing at that level is “rich” in comparison with the rest of the U.S. when a family can waste what many families net in a month on what amounts to a child’s hobby, they really can accurately be described as rich.

And also this.

Riding is an incredibly expensive sport. To get to the level where you’re being given rides by someone else is incredibly expensive - and it does take a fair amount of money up front. The rider needs to have an excellent eye and extensive experience before that point. That costs money. So do the boots, $600 helmets, breeches, and other things that generally don’t get given to a rider, either.

The average family income in the US is $51,017.
The poverty rate as of 2013 was roughly 15%.

One would have to be absolutely kidding themselves to pretend that even just the riding lessons necessary to get to a high level, much less the show experience, the costs are out of the question for MANY, if not MOST families, even if the child works to pay for lessons (which generally doesn’t happen until they’re reasonably competent).

In other words, basically the vast majority of children under the age of 18 who show at “A” shows are privileged in comparison to the rest of the country. This isn’t an indictment, it’s just kind of an is. There are very few kids whose families make the “average” out there competing at the top of the big eq.

There is absolutely no reason for a kid that does the 3’6" eq, jumpers, hunters, whatever to also be doing the medium ponies. I feel like ponies should be kept separate from the big kids, if they want a horse they should do children’s or 3’3" juniors, but when you see a kid doing the high children’s jumpers in the morning and small ponies in the afternoon, it gets a bit ridiculous.

I can see this from two regards - your point and the other. A lot of the time, you’re not seeing the high junior rider on the made pony, but rather, on a greener one or one that needs a record. I’m an adult rider and I own a large pony. For the first while, I’ll show her - we’ll play locally in 2’ classes. But when it comes time for her to get a real show record? I’m likely to offer a ride on her to a kid that’s known to ride and compete well, because when I go to lease or sell her I’ll want her to have a decent show record, and I’m obviously ineligible. Owners like me are less likely to “take a chance” on a kid just starting out just for fiscal reasons.

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Very much this.

And also this.

Riding is an incredibly expensive sport. To get to the level where you’re being given rides by someone else is incredibly expensive - and it does take a fair amount of money up front. The rider needs to have an excellent eye and extensive experience before that point. That costs money. So do the boots, $600 helmets, breeches, and other things that generally don’t get given to a rider, either.

The average family income in the US is $51,017.
The poverty rate as of 2013 was roughly 15%.

One would have to be absolutely kidding themselves to pretend that even just the riding lessons necessary to get to a high level, much less the show experience, the costs are out of the question for MANY, if not MOST families, even if the child works to pay for lessons (which generally doesn’t happen until they’re reasonably competent).

In other words, basically the vast majority of children under the age of 18 who show at “A” shows are privileged in comparison to the rest of the country. This isn’t an indictment, it’s just kind of an is. There are very few kids whose families make the “average” out there competing at the top of the big eq.

I can see this from two regards - your point and the other. A lot of the time, you’re not seeing the high junior rider on the made pony, but rather, on a greener one or one that needs a record. I’m an adult rider and I own a large pony. For the first while, I’ll show her - we’ll play locally in 2’ classes. But when it comes time for her to get a real show record? I’m likely to offer a ride on her to a kid that’s known to ride and compete well, because when I go to lease or sell her I’ll want her to have a decent show record, and I’m obviously ineligible. Owners like me are less likely to “take a chance” on a kid just starting out just for fiscal reasons.[/QUOTE]

Kids catch riding a green pony is not an issue. The issue is when the kid owns a large junior small junior whatever, and also owns a regular medium and large and small. Just not necessary. There are lots of really good pony rider to take up the rides on the difficult ponies, that aren’t busy doing the 3’6" at the same time. I’m just of the opinion that if you’re a jr doing 3’6" there absolutely no reason to be doing the 2’3". It’s not like there’s a shortage of solely pony riders out there. If this continues, they’re going to need to create top owner awards at pony finals and such.

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Ok. I’m getting grumpy. Didn’t Torie do all her winning on the green eq horse VIP. Only this year has someone given her nice ones. She made VIP. He’s carting someone around now and it’s a rich one[/QUOTE]

If you’re referring to VIP Z, you are oh so wrong. The kid riding him now is not “rich.” She works very hard for everything she has and is lucky enough to have been noticed by a great trainer and now has wonderful opportunities to show some great horses and ponies. Similar story to Tori, I suppose. And from what I’ve heard, VIP is a very difficult ride so not really a walk in the park. More like a wonderful learning experience