[QUOTE=KateKat;7655628]
So how bad was Tori’s trot fence? The judges seemed to really penalize her for it and it didn’t seem like it was that bad on the feed.[/QUOTE]
I (as well as many others) felt they were way too harsh on her for the trot fence. She did her job, the horse just didn’t follow through properly. Similar to a rail down and not being the rider’s fault.
Kids catch riding a green pony is not an issue. The issue is when the kid owns a large junior small junior whatever, and also owns a regular medium and large and small. Just not necessary. There are lots of really good pony rider to take up the rides on the difficult ponies, that aren’t busy doing the 3’6" at the same time. I’m just of the opinion that if you’re a jr doing 3’6" there absolutely no reason to be doing the 2’3". It’s not like there’s a shortage of solely pony riders out there. If this continues, they’re going to need to create top owner awards at pony finals and such.
If they’re eligible, they’re eligible. I’m eligible to compete in some VERY good company - and have - and that’s the luck of the draw, really. I hate to point this out, but this is not an “everyone’s a winner” sport.
The majority of kids who own all of the above and still compete in the ponies are not exactly stealing ribbons from beginners, either. There’s usually a reason for them to be there - or maybe they just wanted to ride their pony. Heck, I’m LONG since aged out and want to ride my pony. Further, it’s not like there are thousands of children out there that own a small junior and compete it and are still under the ages to do the small ponies.
[QUOTE=BaysofourLives;7661465]
If you’re referring to VIP Z, you are oh so wrong. The kid riding him now is not “rich.” She works very hard for everything she has and is lucky enough to have been noticed by a great trainer and now has wonderful opportunities to show some great horses and ponies. Similar story to Tori, I suppose. And from what I’ve heard, VIP is a very difficult ride so not really a walk in the park. More like a wonderful learning experience[/QUOTE]
Please look at usef VIP s record. You need to get a life. The horse didn’t loose a class before. If your kid thinks he’s hard you are in denial It also blows my mind you compare to Torie Get a life
[QUOTE=get a life;7658380]
. Only this year has someone given her nice ones. She made VIP. He’s carting someone around now and it’s a rich one[/QUOTE]
Just want to point out that Tori has actually been riding BP’s horses for quite a few years now. Remember Tori’s 2010 pony finals win? That was on the pony For the Laughter owned by BP
[QUOTE=get a life;7661558]
Please look at usef VIP s record. You need to get a life. The horse didn’t loose a class before. If your kid thinks he’s hard you are in denial It also blows my mind you compare to Torie Get a life[/QUOTE]
I wonder if Tori and BP know they have such rabid “fans.” How embarrassing to be “defended” by somebody that clearly hasn’t passed 9th grade English.
[QUOTE=get a life;7661558]
Please look at usef VIP s record. You need to get a life. The horse didn’t loose a class before. If your kid thinks he’s hard you are in denial It also blows my mind you compare to Torie Get a life[/QUOTE]
I so enjoy your posts.
Are you saying the horse never placed other than 1st? Per your suggestion, I did look at his record, and that is not the case, although he did do so quite often.
[QUOTE=get a life;7661558]
Please look at usef VIP s record. You need to get a life. The horse didn’t loose a class before. If your kid thinks he’s hard you are in denial It also blows my mind you compare to Torie Get a life[/QUOTE]
Cannot believe I’m even wasting my time answering you but, I was comparing her opportunity to ride great horses to Tori’s experience. The ‘kid’ has not said anything about his rideability, this statement came from others who have ridden him. Contrary to what you said earlier, the ‘kid’ is very gracious and loves the horses she gets to ride.
[QUOTE=comingback;7661628]
I so enjoy your posts.
Are you saying the horse never placed other than 1st? Per your suggestion, I did look at his record, and that is not the case, although he did do so quite often.[/QUOTE]
yeah, but was he TIGHT in those rounds?! 
[QUOTE=vxf111;7661695]
yeah, but was he TIGHT in those rounds?! ;)[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t going to go there…hahahahahahahaha!
[QUOTE=Trixie;7658332]
I’d risk the GM ridicule to ride like Tori Colvin. But y’all would have to help me come up with hairnets to match my rainbow.[/QUOTE]
I’ve got both blue and pink hair nets covered! Just wish I remember where I got them. 
[QUOTE=RugBug;7660777]
And that’s supposed to mean she’s not well off? I think Tha Ridge’s point is valid. Just about anyone ttraining and showing at that level is “rich” in comparison with the rest of the U.S. when a family can waste what many families net in a month on what amounts to a child’s hobby, they really can accurately be described as rich.[/QUOTE]
You really need to know what you are talking about, and not assume.
Tori’s family is not wealthy, and Tori rides almost exclusively for others, esp. Betsee. Betsee has provided ponies and horses for YEARS because she recognizes Tori’s immense talent. Tori broke and trained one of Betsee’s top ponies herself. Betsee trusted Tori to rehab Inclusive HERSELF after his injury. Because she knows how much Tori cares about her horses. Brigid works for Scott just to be able to go where Tori goes, because it wouldn’t be possible otherwise. And this year at LP, Tori began to coach a pony rider all by herself, another task given her by Betsee, so she could start giving back. Turns out, she is good at this, too.
Tori was in my group of riders at George’s clinic in Wellington this year, and she was a complete delight to work with, in a group that was the best bunch I have had. And after we finished up each day, at 5-6:00, she headed off to ride as many as she could fit in before dark.
Tori is the perfect example for all kids to follow. Hard working, humble, dedicated. THAT is what gets her rides.
[QUOTE=lauriep;7662068]
You really need to know what you are talking about, and not assume.
Tori’s family is not wealthy, and Tori rides almost exclusively for others, esp. Betsee. Betsee has provided ponies and horses for YEARS because she recognizes Tori’s immense talent. Tori broke and trained one of Betsee’s top ponies herself. Betsee trusted Tori to rehab Inclusive HERSELF after his injury. Because she knows how much Tori cares about her horses. Brigid works for Scott just to be able to go where Tori goes, because it wouldn’t be possible otherwise. And this year at LP, Tori began to coach a pony rider all by herself, another task given her by Betsee, so she could start giving back. Turns out, she is good at this, too.
Tori was in my group of riders at George’s clinic in Wellington this year, and she was a complete delight to work with, in a group that was the best bunch I have had. And after we finished up each day, at 5-6:00, she headed off to ride as many as she could fit in before dark.
Tori is the perfect example for all kids to follow. Hard working, humble, dedicated. THAT is what gets her rides.[/QUOTE]
How does your post change what I said about the new rider of VIP?
Also, who is paying show bills, training, etc? I left room for the very few people that are working everything off by saying “just about anyone.” It wasn’t the absolute that you read it to be.
When an avg AA show costs approx $3k, and you have lessons, etc…the money is coming from somewhere. If you are doing more than one show a month, you are, in fact, doing quite well for yourself when put into the perspective of the U.S. at large. As stated earlier, the avg annual income of a FAMILY in the U.S. is somewhere around $51k. That’s $4250/month. anyone paying their way on the AA circuit, even if they are working hard to pay their way, is hopefully making a lot more than the avg person and therefore, can be considered “well off” in the grand scheme. Tori may not be the top 1%, but that doesn’t mean, if she/her family is footing any of the bills (which they may not be) that they are average.
IMHO, this is the face a of a kid that simply loves being around the horses. Does she like to win, too? Probably. But there is something about that photo that really struck me the first time I saw it a month or so ago.
Thread’s about Tori Colvin. Not supposed rich kids. Please stay on topic.
[QUOTE=lauriep;7662068]
You really need to know what you are talking about, and not assume.
Tori’s family is not wealthy, and Tori rides almost exclusively for others, esp. Betsee. Betsee has provided ponies and horses for YEARS because she recognizes Tori’s immense talent. Tori broke and trained one of Betsee’s top ponies herself. Betsee trusted Tori to rehab Inclusive HERSELF after his injury. Because she knows how much Tori cares about her horses. Brigid works for Scott just to be able to go where Tori goes, because it wouldn’t be possible otherwise. And this year at LP, Tori began to coach a pony rider all by herself, another task given her by Betsee, so she could start giving back. Turns out, she is good at this, too.
Tori was in my group of riders at George’s clinic in Wellington this year, and she was a complete delight to work with, in a group that was the best bunch I have had. And after we finished up each day, at 5-6:00, she headed off to ride as many as she could fit in before dark.
Tori is the perfect example for all kids to follow. Hard working, humble, dedicated. THAT is what gets her rides.[/QUOTE]
If I ever “made it big” as a rider, which I, of course, hope to do, I would hope and pray that something like this would be said about me.
[QUOTE=Fiction;7660713]
Pretty sure she does not own a single animal she shows.[/QUOTE]
Maybe not at this time, but she definitely did at one point – and showed said pony at Pony Finals and Devon.
RugBug did a far better breakdown/explanation than I could’ve re: what we think of as wealthy versus what actually is. I think Tori is a great kid and she’s never been anything but humble and kind anytime I’ve spoken to or interviewed her, however, I still believe – regardless of who pays for her showing – that she’s “rich” and well-above average compared to 99.9% of people out there.
[QUOTE=hunterrider23;7661320]
Kids catch riding a green pony is not an issue. The issue is when the kid owns a large junior small junior whatever, and also owns a regular medium and large and small. Just not necessary. There are lots of really good pony rider to take up the rides on the difficult ponies, that aren’t busy doing the 3’6" at the same time. I’m just of the opinion that if you’re a jr doing 3’6" there absolutely no reason to be doing the 2’3". It’s not like there’s a shortage of solely pony riders out there. If this continues, they’re going to need to create top owner awards at pony finals and such.[/QUOTE]
Not to derail this topic, but:
They already give a separate Ch & Res at WEF to the “top owner/rider” in the pony divisions (& maybe the Juniors too? If they’re not already doing this in the Juniors, I’ve heard people say they’d like to see it…).
I’m not sure if they “double-pin” every class (e.g. giving 2 sets of ribbons: 1 overall & 1 for owner-ridden ponies only) or just award those championships to the “owner-ridden” ponies w/ the most points. If they do it the 2nd way, and the “overall” champion is an “owner-ridden” pony, then the kid/pony would get 2 championships for 1 performance…and that doesn’t make a ton of sense (but how much in the horse world does?).
Someone else may know more, as I am not a Jr anymore & don’t keep up with ALL the specs of those divisions. I know this is just 1 circuit, but it’s a big one & seems to be setting a good example for other shows to follow.
As for Tori, I have known her since before she had Ballou, and she has (IMHO) earned every opportunity she gets. I do understand those who feel it’s unfair for 1 person to “buy up all the winners” & hand the reins to 1 kid (or 2, I know BP has a pony jock now, too)…a lot of getting rides boils down to being in the right place(s) at the right time(s). Someone who works hard & spends long hours at the barn is, by definition, more likely to be around when an opportunity arises…
but there are many kids who are tremendously talented & hardworking that just might not have the right “connections” to get them to that “right place/right time”. From these observations & my own experiences, I would have to conclude that a pinch of luck is a factor in the equation.
Also, since these are kids we’re talking about, there has to be some parental involvement. Since most pony kids can’t drive themselves to the barn, kids of trainers or h/j enthusiasts are more likely to get to spend those long hours at the barn. Whether they take advantage of the situation/opportunities that many kids would kill for (hopefully not literally!) is up to them.
Did anyone see the fantastic results Tori had at LGCT Chantilly this week? Won 2 classes on Cesanna and was 3rd on Don Juan. Those are fantastic results for her first time showing in Europe at a 2* show! It shows the talent she has! I hope that she has more opportunities to show in Europe and someday even represent the USA in Championships and Nations Cups!
That’s great to see! and great to see that Lillie Keenan too won a class (1.40m) at her first international show over the weekend in Ascona, Switzerland. They are showjumping’s future stars for sure!
So who is training Tory at Chantilly?
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