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While I appreciate the overall sentiment of your post, I find it amusing you are both sick of snarky posts and then insinuate one of my favorite breeds is apparently only good for a backyard schooling show.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t take either of the posts mentioning OTTBs that way…I took them as contrasting their experiences with Jessica’s. Not putting down OTTBs! (I had one too, and loved him!)
I haven’t seen Katie Dinan mentioned. She has that wonderful new horse (with the funny name) who was bought at auction for over $1,000,000
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I haven’t seen Katie Dinan mentioned. She has that wonderful new horse (with the funny name) who was bought at auction for over $1,000,000[/QUOTE]
Yup, and he looks like a great horse! Also Nick Dello Joio just bought Quite Cassini, and someone also just bought Kathrina Offel’s Charlie. I bet we will see a couple more top horses change hands before the end of the year.
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I haven’t seen Katie Dinan mentioned. She has that wonderful new horse (with the funny name) who was bought at auction for over $1,000,000[/QUOTE]
Do you mean Dougie Douglas?
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Do you mean Dougie Douglas?[/QUOTE]
Yup Katie bought Dougie Douglas from that auction in Ireland. He’s kind of been below the radar for us here in North America, but he’s a really lovely horse who has jumped some great clear round at Nation’s Cups in Europe.
Addressing an earlier snarky and kind of unpleasant post:
A rider in her twenties is not making her own horses, no matter how talented or able she is, because she hasn’t had time. She hasn’t been an international show jumper long enough to bring up a string and a yard worth of promising youngsters, even if she already had the skill… and this is skill that is developed over decades in our sport.
The way you develop skill is to ride miles and miles and miles … and to do so on many different good horses with good teachers is a bonus. Money and access is not a disadvantage.
A fifty-five year old rider who grew up in a yard of professional elite horsemen and horse dealers is in a different place in his life and his career than he was at 24. And even if his horses came out of the Whitaker yard at that time, I suspect he had a lot of family support in buying and selling and developing them.
Time will tell if our current twentysomething phenoms have lasting careers.
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Addressing an earlier snarky and kind of unpleasant post:
A rider in her twenties is not making her own horses, no matter how talented or able she is, because she hasn’t had time. She hasn’t been an international show jumper long enough to bring up a string and a yard worth of promising youngsters, even if she already had the skill… and this is skill that is developed over decades in our sport.
The way you develop skill is to ride miles and miles and miles … and to do so on many different good horses with good teachers is a bonus. Money and access is not a disadvantage.
A fifty-five year old rider who grew up in a yard of professional elite horsemen and horse dealers is in a different place in his life and his career than he was at 24. And even if his horses came out of the Whitaker yard at that time, I suspect he had a lot of family support in buying and selling and developing them.
Time will tell if our current twentysomething phenoms have lasting careers.[/QUOTE]
I will politely disagree with you, there are many young riders in Europe that have done quite a bit of young horse producing. Bertram Allen, Jos Verloy, the Philliparts, I could go on. Just because it’s not in the fabric of the US doesn’t mean that age is the factor.
Even the USA’s top riders like Kent, Beezie, Mclain don’t really produce young horses. Maybe they produce them from the age or 7 or so on, but usually the horse has a solid international start before they pick them up. Christian Alhman, Gregory Wathelet all were riding multiple horses at Lanaken, and you just don’t see that kind of young horse experience in the USA.
But again, this actually has no bearing on talent as an international rider in terms of riding in GPS, and how long their career will last.
Tendon injury I read, sadly will not be ready for Rio, if gets back at all. Seems to cut her chances for Rio, sad as she was near the top.
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Tendon injury I read, sadly will not be ready for Rio, if gets back at all. Seems to cut her chances for Rio, sad as she was near the top.[/QUOTE]
Edwina has been showing him in Europe.
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Edwina has been showing him in Europe.[/QUOTE]
That’s what I heard. Not thinking he’ll be ready in time for Rio though. It’s sad for Jessica, she was doing really well with him before his injury.
Cynar seems to be one to watch! Not sure they’ll be ready in time for the games though
Some US riders bring along their own horses. And it really depends on the horse, Beezie has a number of young horses in her barn. I remember getting a video with Beezie, you know the type where the rider gives advice while riding the horse. It featured of a young Danny Boy when he was still green. Probably 6. He was HARD to flat, required an immense amount of hand and leg. Then years later she had him in the GPs. She might not develop everything but she develops horses. The Maddens also took on those TBs to develop to much public fanfare. They bought some TB yearlings a few years ago. I don’t know how much Beezie rides them compared to the assistants, but the program develops them.
McLain – he has owned Rothchild since 2007. That horse is 14. So he bought him at age 5. Obviously it wasn’t an international horse then, it’s not even permitted under FEI rules.
There are lots of US riders that bring horses along, even if they don’t necessarily back them as three year olds. Many US pros ride young jumpers as soon as they are able to hop over fences. I frankly don’t know of any that don’t have some young horses in their programs. Four, five, six year olds. Sure, maybe not some of the kids but that is different. The pros do. What they might not have is the three year olds and who can blame them. It is hard to back three year olds when you spend 20-30 weeks a year on the road. Plus, while I know how to back them and am pretty much a miser, now that I have kids even I have started sending my youngsters out. I don’t bounce like I used to.
As someone who is bringing a talented jumper along (I bought him at 1, now he is 6 – I own/keep horse at home, do flatwork – horse is ridden by top pro at shows) I have become involved with the YJC and the people who are big in that world. It is a different set of riders who specialize in the 5 - 8 year olds. The best of those horses get sold on to the top riders.
So, saying who ‘started’ them is a question of semantics. The BNR’s usually do not look at young horses until they are jumping 1.35 – 1.40 as 7 – 8 year olds (freakish horses excepted – those will get snapped up at 5 or 6).
Yes, it is certainly true that BNRs buy some of their horses. But they also usually bring along some of them. So to imply they are incapable of it is just odd.
BNRs in Europe buy some horses too when they need a horse and don’t currently have one competitive at that level. The development track is long and horses drop out for a thousand reasons, sometimes you need a horse you don’t have. Buying a horse is an obvious solution.
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