Well, tell Michael Dubb he’s the Talk of the Town, or at least, the Talk of COTH, and it’s all admiration! I hope his partners get kudos as well, because apparently, they are in on the decision to retire Wake Forest.
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So when you ask a question, you think that a 5 paragraph answer full of incorrect and derogatory assumptions and conclusions about you that you never stated is OK? Telling someone that their nasty post that leaps to incorrect conclusions is wrong?
@gumtree @LaurieB How are my earnings any of your business whatsoever? Are you going to attempt to shame everyone who does not want personal financial information on a board that is accessible by anyone and everyone?
I didn’t mention your earnings–they’re immaterial to my question. Although if you have race horses, you would already know that kind of financial info is neither personal nor private in this industry. Owners’ earnings can be looked up easily on equibase. Sales companies list the purchase and sales prices of every horse that goes through the ring. Even “private” sales are reported by the equine press.
Over time, most members of this racing board have come to know a fair amount about each other’s experiences in horse racing. We’re a chatty group. We are also a knowledgeable one. So if you intend to continue lecturing us like we’re witless children, taking a minute to share the extent of your real life experience would go a long way to lending some credibility to your posts.
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This isn’t that complicated.
You have eviscerated any number of people who have not agreed with your vaunted opinions on subjects around COTH, and particularly on here, the Racing Forum.
There comes an age, or perhaps it is a level of experience, or maybe just exasperation, when the reality of walking the walk, and talking the talk crystalizes. Here 'tiz.
I have only stood a syndicated TB stud, and started yearlings- I never was more involved with race horses than that. But you? Who knows?
And without any creds at all, it is tough to stomach your consistently antagonistic posts. Could you possibly appear to look down your nose more at us? And with what reason? With what actual experience? How did YOUR horses do at the track? At the sale? In your backyard?
And, when there are folks here with REAL creds, and REAL experiences to share, having anyone who simply spews is, well, just nasty.
COTH folks tend to see what is out there, and support those who KNOW. :yes:
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So where did I lecture you like a witless child? If you are comfortable putting your personal information online, fine. I am not.
Thank you for clarifying. The fact that you cannot come up with the name of a single racehorse you’ve known (or even watched on television) does answer my question.
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ASB Stars, can I be your new best friend??? :lol:
PB, you certainly can choose not to share personal information but I don’t think anyone is asking for your name, phone number, street or email addresses. A continued lack of any type of anything even remotely resembling personal experience other than very broad hand waving does not help credibility in my eyes.
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Lucky then that there’s an easy cheap way to make a stallion not be a stallion anymore.
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Honey, you asked “owned, or raced, or trained, or whatever…” But keep on changing things in your head to suit yourself. I galloped for a HOF trainer in the 1990s, so name any nice horse from that era, and according to your snark, I “knew” the horse.
I’ve mentioned plenty about my personal experiences over the years, and see no need to post my resume just because you can’t remember things. But since you ask, my win percentage has fallen to 38%. Go ahead and cheer at my change in luck.
I am all for that one.
I am late to the party but the fact that this horse–a Grade I winner of almost a million dollars–is claimed for $8000 as essentially a charitable gesture speaks volumes about the economics of standing a stallion without commerical credentials.
Stallions need numbers to make it and if the stallion is not commercial, that means the owner has to do the heavy lifting. I would think you need a minimum of 20 mares to be serious and to have even a prayer of getting some outside interest. No one wants to be part of a crop of three.
Twenty mares–even at the bottom run package deal kind of level–will cost at least $20,000 to acquire. Then they have to be kept somewhere along with the stallion. However it is done, the cheapest manner will probably cost $100,000. The next year you can have 40 horses and the next 60. A breeder might have 100 head and be in $250,000 or $300,000 in the first three years when the babies are two and the sire was a long winded turf horse who didn’t get good until he was 6!
Then you have the whole long winded turf horse problem. If a runner is a Kitten’s Joy who can reasonably be expect to tear up the Widener turf course or Kentucky Downs, it is a beautiful thing to have such a horse. But most horses are claimers and there is very little opportunity for a $12,500 runner who needs a mile and a half on the turf. So buyers aren’t going to be lined up to buy a Wake Forest.
That means that the breeder is on his or her own. Last month, posters wanted to know how the EF1 Farm debacle happened. This is how.
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Your “win percentage” for what? Horses that you have in training? Go cart racing? Bridge?
I cannot decide if you are deliberately obtuse, or simply do not understand what we are saying.
No facts. No CV. Nobody who knows anything about you. This equals, well, nothin’ Just someone thumping along on a keyboard. In a basement…OK, I’ll stop now. :winkgrin:
Take LaurieB or Gumtree, as examples. Facts. References. Reality.
I like reality.
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@Palm Beach has alluded to statistics over the years. But alas when I tried to research all the bread crumbs all I came up with were single owners who had little to no success.
Now, that could be exactly accurate and we’re assuming that they are in fact more successful than they are based purely on what I am calling “Soap Box Propensity.”
That said given the lack of real info of any kind I’m just of the mindset that they’re not actually in a barn, owning a horse or part of racing at all anymore. Maybe they were, maybe not.
The lack of comprehension that excluding a horse that ran on Lasix from a country that forbids it, is actual a CONSISTENT principle is even more telling.
Whoever you are PB your tear downs are de rigueur. We’re tired and honestly it’s nicer not having to think anything about who you are. Without street cred you’re just another internet troll.
~Emily
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Further proof that you’re not involved in horse racing then.
Em
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Meanwhile, back to Wake Forest…
I haven’t read anything about the owners specific plans for Wake Forest, just that they are generally going to retire him, but who knows? If they decide not to geld him, maybe he would be available to someone who beats down the doors begging for a chance to introduce their sport mare to him. It will be interesting to see if he will be living out his life as a gelding in a field with other horses, retrained as a riding horse, or kept intact and used for occasional breeding purposes. I guess that would also depend on who’s housing him.
Maybe Gumtree can be our inside reporter. It would be fun to know the Up Close and Personal about Wake Forest and his owners.
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Spoken like a woman with horses. :lol:
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I thought I read somewhere that he was going to Old Friends.
