We have a horse that was brought to us to get back into work and sell for the owner. He is not a WB arab cross, but is a arab/morgan cross. NOTHING Like I thought a horse of that cross would be!! One thing he is 16.1 1/2 hands, which is shocking given his breeding, he is a lovely mover and honestly looks like an anglo-arab to me! Not exactly what the OP asked but thought ti was interesting that two rather small breeds produced a pretty decent sized guy! And yes he is registered and sire and dam were registered, so his breeding is “for sure”.
There are a lot of taller more modern Morgans, and Arabians for that matter lol. Most people think of Figure when ya think of Morgans, but there are also the Working Western lines (That IMO, look pretty much like a QH w/ a higher neck set… obviously a FQH, not one of the freaks), and some that look very much like a regal Saddleseat horse should. Morabs… can be wonderful. They can be very scary. Those (arabians and morgans) are two breeds that have very extreme ranges in type… but when it works… it works really well.
Interesting thread that I probably missed back when it was started…and even if I did see it, did not have much to offer to it.
That said, I’ve always been a bit wary of accepting Arab mares to be bred to my stallions (no slam intended at all to that breed…just concerned about getting the best foals on the ground and I didn’t feel myself to know enough about these crosses).
In the last 4 years, Argosy has been bred to several Arab or Arab x mares, and the produce have been just lovely. I mean shockingly lovely horses.
However, Argosy IS 1/4 Anglo-Arab himself and a product of the Celle use of AA’s in the Hannoverian breeding program.
Were I the owner I would go with a straight AA or a warmblood that has AA close-in the pedigree…and look at the offspring and dams if possible. That so often tells the tale.
I know of one of these. He got an very slow warmblood mind in an arabian body. His owner had to start muzzling him as a 2-year old. He had no get up and go at all.
He was kind of cute though.
LookMaNoHands…you saw an Argosy/Arab x? Which one – I’ve lost track of do many mare owners and often they don’t stay in touch.
If so, I’m surprised it looks like an Arab. Argosy’s pretty darned dominant in his offspring and typically they are very good-minded (and anything but “sluggish”…;).)
Why the muzzle?
well, arabs are fairly dominant too lol
A few years ago I bought a mare that is 1/4 arab (she originally came from MJ Farms) for a dressage horse and she is a truly special horse. I love this mare so much that I bought a 1/2 arab mare to breed to my RID stallion to get the 1/4 arab and 1/2 Irish cross. The foal is a very nice filly and I am happy to have stumbled across the original mare. I am planning to breed the original mare to Totilas next year. If I had enough money I would breed the half arab back to Totilas as well. I would never have given an arab a second thought before buying my mare but now can see what a desirable influence the arab has.
Smokeygirl, what I was trying to say is that Argosy has a propensity to “stamp” his foals. It’s a genetic thing, not a breed thing…:lol:;).
oh i knew what you meant… I just meant that as a breed, arabians tend to be very proponent in some things. (i.e. the head… while in a HA wouldn’t be as fine, is usually an improvement on the other breed, or the tail carriage, etc).
Thanks for replying to my post… I have looked at your horses for a while… Just too expensive for me. Thats way I am looking at breeding my mare, kinda the only opotion I have at this point. To get a horse I can show on.
People have told me I have to becareful breeding to a larger horse with my mare is 14.2, but she is stocky for an arabian. I am probably going to contact the breeders of the stallion and ask them questions anyway. 
Kat.
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Hey, if you are looking for Anglo Arabians, I have a bunch if you want to get an idea of what several generations of breeding Anglos will produce in a USA breeding program:)
Here is my Anglo stallion schooling this month at 3’-3’3" with a new rider (second day).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR3iJEggymE
For the person looking to breed their 14.2H mare, take a look at the stallions available at www.shnpayback.org They are half priced (and the foals are eligible to win money for life) and a lot of very nice WB hunter types, too.
Regarding the size difference, I wouldn’t worry about it, unless that particular stallion is noted for huge foals. I know that Escapade is pushing 16.3H but is used on pony mares all the time, with great results. I also bred a 14.3H mare to a 17.2H TB and got a great Anglo foal![/QUOTE]
I found this thread very interesting and wanted to know if there were any updates for this cross??
Check out the 2 year old in-hand champion at the Young Horse Show Series finals: http://www.younghorseshow.com/2012-finals.html
“Uphoria” is registered GOV by UB40 and out of a purebred Arabian mare (GOV approved, obviously)
So it can work pretty darn well when done right! 
I could have sworn I had commented in this thread, but apparently not.
I have a friend with a sporthorse Arabian stallion she hopes to get to high enough performance levels she can go for WB approval because she believes him to be that quality.
She has bred him to a couple “off breed” warmblood mares (one who is half WB, half Saddlebreed and one who is very distinctly warmblood in type and was one of the highest scorers at ISR/Old inspections her year but is of mystery origin, with suspicions being she was a split dosage baby who the breeders didn’t want to fess up to. The first was sold, but she is probably keeping the second baby. She’s a yearling now and headed to Arabian regionals soon, but she won (I think, maybe reserve) sporthorse in hand with scores in the 80s over adult mares at the show where she qualified for regionals. I only found a pic of her at a much younger age - I believe she was sticked at 14.1hh recently. She has always looked balanced even in slightly downhill growth stages and has the kind of movement I see her as a possible young horse prospect in my very much NOT pro/experienced mind. http://ranchitolibertad.com/uploads/2/9/1/7/2917502/1136524_orig.jpg
There are a decent number of half Arabian/Warmbloods here because of Aul Magic who had some very nice babies.
I have an Oskar baby and you mentioned him on the first post - he was 1/4 Arabian and one heck of a sporthorse!
One of my broodmares is Holsteiner / Arabian (Landgraf I and Tuhotmos in the 3rd gen) and she’s an absolute treasure. She’s double registered, and has absolutely stellar movement, work ethic, and personality. LOVE her. I’ll be honest – although I appreciate Arabians, and have ridden several (and owned crosses), I don’t adore the tiny head . . . but Bells didn’t get the Arab traits. She looks like a warmblood, but she’s more refined and elegant. No “flag” tail on her either I see nothing wrong with the cross, provided – like with any breeding – a person goes for complimentary type. From what I’ve seen, Tuhotmos produced sport-type stock.
Not a lot of improvement in Arabians since this began
I would have hoped that the Arabian Sporthorse Nationals might have created a place for this cross to thrive and a place for true moving Arabians to be rewarded. So far the influence seems very small. I have found it difficult to find the Arabians whose gaits would be welcome in sport horse breeding. When you look at the information out there on a Arabian for sale you will still overwhelmingly find videos with upsidedown Arabians, hollow, tails over their back spronging around a ring. The qualities I need to see in selecting an Arabian Sporthorse and a broodmare to use for warmblood breeding are not understood by the majority of Arabian breeders. When I see a few steps of round quality movement they are lovely and I think they do have elements to bring to the table. PatO
columbus, I think part of the problem is that many of the Arabian riders know little or nothing about dressage and tend to ride their Arabian/WB crosses like they rode their purebreds in the ring classes - inverted and “broken” at the 3rd vertebrae. And you are correct that they tend to choose an Arabian broodmare with the wrong qualities; they tend to choose halter type mares or English Pleasure/Park type mares - again with the inverted movement and out behind.
The good Arabian/WB crosses are not showing in the Arabian Sporthorse ring for the most part; they are showing in the regular dressage shows and doing well.
I didn’t read all 14 pages, so apologies if someone already mentioned this.
How about FBW Kennedy? Seems going to the Olympics would be decent credentials for an Arab-warmblood cross.
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How about FBW Kennedy? Seems going to the Olympics would be decent credentials for an Arab-warmblood cross.[/QUOTE]
I think when chosing a stallion for an Arabian mare, a lot more needs to be looked at than the show record. That may just be me, but there are a lot of WB stallions that I would not want to cross on an Arabian. Also, if you are breeding to sell, breeders need to be aware that the buyer will most likely be an ammy who’s not going to the Olympics.
I agree Sonesta. I love Arabians and I would love to see the best of them show they can contribute to the warmblood mix. There are Arabians out there with excellent walks to improve the deteriorating warmblood walks but they are hard to shop for.
There ARE good ones out there, you just have to look in the right places. We have several mares that were approved by the GOV for breeding and offspring as well.
Hoping to show this year at SHN if time (writing a book on a very tight deadline and that may kill my horse show plans) and money allow.
Sometimes it’s just the rider and the horse herself is quite nice. I’ve got one that I’m retraining from Hunter Pleasure to Working Hunter. Once she realized it was ok to drop her head down and relax, she was a different horse (you can see her on our farm website, Siren Song (Odyssey SC x Polexia).I’m hoping to at least get her out in SHUS and maybe hunter hack this spring.
