I have a Dutch Warmblood / TB mare that I am considering putting to a Welsh Cob. I’ve seen his progeny on the hunt field and they are divine - perfect form over a fence, and superb manners. My mare has one of the best work ethics I have encountered, good conformation, good movement, and a great temperament.
My aim is for an above average all rounder.
Absolutely. I rode some Welsh/ TB crosses as a kid that were fantastic.
Sounds perfect to me. I wish more breeders in the US, backyard and otherwise, paid as much attention to producing temperament and rideability. Brains are such an important part of the equation, especially for jumping and hunting.
I’m going to put him to one of my TB mares. But I am really keen to see the warmblood/welsh cross too 
Amen. I’m an amateur rider and as much as I believe in breeding the best you can, I need something I can handle and ride safely. A huge stride, or a huge jump isn’t going to do me any good if I am going to risk my life everytime I ride.
I have a filly by a Welsh sec b stallion out of a wb mare. I think it’s a nice cross especially if you don’t need a ton of size.
Yep, there have been some lovely cardi warmblood crosses. I wouldn’t hesitate to breed my holsteiner mare to any knock out welsh pony or cob stallion.
That is another reason that the cross appeals to me - I’m 5’4" so don’t need something 16.3hh+
Absolutely I would if I was keeping it and didn’t need a super tall horse.
Yup as long as the mare’s ‘type’ is big boned and well balanced then I would. I’ve had a few welsh cob x tb crosses and they’ve been very, very nice. I’ve seen a few of this cross and wb x welsh cob crosses that looked like they were put together by committee…when I saw the ‘other’ half (not welsh cob) I had a much better idea of what not to repeat with my stallion/welsh cob out-crosses.
There are plenty of smaller, Ammy friendly WB sires, so I’m always confused by comments such as seen here.
I wouldn’t hesitate to breed a TB mare to a Welsh, but I’d focus on a lovely WB for this mare. Especially since you’re already breeding your TB mare to Welsh.
As someone else said, you could wind up with a Frankenhorse.
That is the risk of any breeding though. I’ll be breeding very good conformation to very good conformation.
Lovely as expected! I’ll admit, I’ve never seen a “frankenhorse” out of any actual welsh pony or cob. I have seen frankenponies out of “welsh” and my personal favorite “welch” ponies and equally rando horses.
There was a stunning holsteiner/welsh cross stallion I remember seeing a few years back when a carbon copy daughter was for sale. He looked exactly like a miniature Levisto. I’ll post pics if I can find. And as I said, there have been a number of Cardi/WB crosses. They were way outside my budget :lol::lol::lol:
I know someone who crossed a Section B to several WB mares - she had the pony stallion approved with RPSI (Weser ems). They were nice little horses - most were hunter types, not dressage. Her pony had a super temperament and a super jump. I always told her she was ahead of her time - now she’s retired, and GRPs are all the rage.
One thing to be aware of (since so many are talking about temperament) - Welsh Cobs can be a little bit… Difficult? Exvet has posted about this before. I just got a Welsh cob cross, and he needs a strong, confident rider - I love him, but he has the 'tude… They few I’ve seen have all had that 'tude - although they’ve all been talented horses. We have a few of them (not as well known as Cardi) here in California. So be aware of what you are hoping to get from that cross and what the stallion throws. Smaller doesn’t mean easier - although it is less intimidating 
My vet has a Cardi/WB cross, just coming four. She loves him. I’ve only seen pictures of him and he is lovely. She said he is bigger than she would have expected, although she wasn’t his breeder.
The only 'tude I get from my welsh cob pony I attributed to her being a mare! :lol: She has been very easy to start and work with as an amateur doing the work myself. exvet commented to me once that they don’t suffer fools and I can see where that would be true - you always have to think many steps ahead! I’ve never been able to “make” her do anything that she doesn’t want to do!
You know the funny thing is that the one who is my best in many ways has the most ‘tude’ but if you get him on board with the game plan which is quite easy and possible to do that ‘tude’ works for you. His ‘tude’ came through long before he was mine and in the wrong hands had him scheduled to be euthanized. That is why he was given to me. Yet, we were out there today doing piaffe, passage and the two’s…I do love that pony. I have another who is also full of ‘tude’ but he is actually not at all a ‘you can’t make me’. He is just full of personality and he shares the sire with Pocket Pony’s gal. Pocket Pony’s mare is out of a welsh cob cross mare so hers is 3/4 welsh cob. Her dam was a welsh cob x morgan cross which is actually my favorite cross. They usually come out consistently well put together.
Since I’m the one who brought up the possibility of getting an outcross that could end up looking like it was put together by committee I’m going to chime back in and say that it definitely can happen and yes every breeding is a gamble; but, come on you guys who also breed and have welsh cob’s…seriously. Without hurting people’s feelings I know of multiple welsh cob x arab crosses out of very nice arab mares that were just eeeewwwww. The welsh cob sire (same one) was very well put together and typical riding type. Many of the offspring had fronts like his and back ends like the mare’s - not a conformation flaw present but not balanced and their loins appeared weak though in actuality they were not. I know of one former breeder who kept breeding two hanno x tb mares to the same welsh cob stallion and again the offspring which I ended up riding for someone until they sold were also not the most attractive types and they had ‘tude’ to spare. I’ve run into one Welsh cob x TB cross that was out of a very lightly built TB mare who washed out at the track. Her conformation wasn’t great because she had too long pasterns. She was one I would never have bred but she wasn’t mine soooooo and the baby had the welsh cob neck which ended up being short and a longer back with a weak loin. Not sure what that colt ended up going on to do because I moved away from the area before it was of riding age. While picking good conformation and good disposition is important always, in my experience that isn’t enough when you cross welsh cob to another breed.
"There are plenty of smaller, Ammy friendly WB sires, so I’m always confused by comments such as seen here.
I wouldn’t hesitate to breed a TB mare to a Welsh, but I’d focus on a lovely WB for this mare. Especially since you’re already breeding your TB mare to Welsh."
LOL, well that’s usually my response when someone discusses breeding a welsh cob mare to something outside the breed…I personally think it’s a waste of good horseflesh and would rather see her (assuming she’s worth breeding) to another welsh cob; but, I love the breed.
Having said that though, my (actually my daughter’s stallion but I still retain breeding rights stallion puts lovely temperaments on his get. They are level headed and he was so easy to train. As long as the mare is well put together, has a good disposition and she is of similar type I wouldn’t hesitate to breed him with the intent to keep the offspring regardless of the other breed (the only exception to that rule is I wouldn’t breed him to something gaited - just not my thing) because his offspring have been so darn much fun. I have turned away a mare owner with two trak x arab mares and another with a dutch mare because of the mares’ dispositions. So it’s not all one-sided when making breeding decisions. If the OP’s mare is nice and she believes the cross would be well put together, sounds like the cross would be one to risk.
I have a GRP (Oldenburg/WelshX) that is awesome. He’s smaller (will maybe be 16h), but that’s fine for my 5’ self. At 3, he’s completely unflappable. Kids on trampolines, quads, wind, trail rides, rides alone or with others - you name it, I’m sure he’ll do it. It took a while to get him going on the right path due to the “pony brain” but once we got that straightened out he’s been absolutely delightful and so full of personality.
I would go for another WB/Welsh cross in a heartbeat.
Cardi? I’m not familiar with that term/breed/???
I’ve had Andalusians. I know about 'tude.
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