The rescue took them though? At least some.
Yes, the rescue in TN.
Which is farther from Freeville than Unadilla is.
She said the horses were so neglected after several months at the “guys” farm that the vet, farrier, etc at the sale were concerned… But somehow this “guy” who had them several months isn’t being maligned. Why?
Care, Custody and Control ) dictates he should be in trouble, esp since his place was apparently approved by LE for these horses to go to.
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Some thoughts.
There’s clearly IRL animosity between at least 2 posters, which complicates us outsiders figuring things out.
That aside, a couple of thoughts.
Property foreclosed and sold, humans move out (when? In May?) but leave horses (which are taken in August and sold in October?).
If 21 horses are accounted for, do we think 20 horses are still in the original owners possession? It sounds like 21 were seized. Where are the others?
No, the family of the owner of the foreclosed property does not get to stay after the property sells. If that was true, no one would ever buy foreclosed property.
Leaving animals on the property after accepting to abide by the eviction notice on the house, after moving out, is a huge problem. Imagine buying a farm and finding a large herd of livestock left behind after the previous owners are gone. From the other side, COTH posters get tied up in knots over what to do about feral cats breeding in the barn. Imagine 20 head of horses breeding on your new acreage.
I don’t think it’s the job of the rescue to inspect every step of the seizure order in another state before bidding on a horse. I think that most auction buyers assume that horses are consigned by legal owners and they can take possession.
This honestly sounds like a giant clusterfudddle. No part of the horse owner side of things sounds responsible, not the breeding, the hoarding, the head in the sand, the foreclosure, or abandoning the horses. I can’t say if every letter of the law was followed in seizing the horses, but the new owners had every right to get them off the property in a timely fashion. It’s fortunate they landed at a rescue.
Looking at the photos, that’s way more condition lost than you’d get in a month at a feedlot. That’s long term starvation or illness. Also, in many hoarding situations teetering on the edge, some horses are kept better than others, and it’s the poor keepers or old or with untreated issues that decline first. So a hoarding situation of 40 horses could absolutely show up as many fine, some at bsc of 2.
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I don’t believe any were seized.
When does breeding become hoarding?
Serious question.
OK. It sounds like 21 were removed with the presence of local LE, and taken to an undisclosed site, then to auction. That might not technically count as being seized.
My point being that 21 horses were removed (in August?) and sold at auction in October. Where are the other 20 horses?
Iirc approx 40 were removed to undisclosed location. If they were removing them because they weren’t legally there, with assistance of LE, they would remove them all, wouldn’t they? Edit, since that was the point, clear the place out.
It makes no sense to leave behind half of them.
Then from the undisclosed location, only 20ish were taken to auction.
In my reading the 20 missing horses went missing on the watch of that undisclosed location.
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That may be true but I do not see that suggested by the folks who are involved in the action. Perhaps @ASB_Stars or @Kr can clarify this for us.
The rescue did not know who all these horses were and I resent your insinuation that the horses were helped bc they had value. As I have stated but you seem to be unable to read there was no knowledge there was a legal situation until october. Her reaching out was merely about wanting to find a new place to lease, nothing about foreclosures, etc. To suggest that the rescue benefitted from her misfortune is an outright lie and borders on slander. 4 of the mares have weanlings that will have to be handled and cared for and the mares may be pregnant. Unregistered babies possibly 9 in all. Where is the gain in that responsibility. Two of the mares were so traumatized by the shuffling and auction it may be mths before either recovers. Smh
This is after a law enforcement seizure or stablemans lien, both legal procedures, neither of which was begun from what I’m reading
The sheriff didn’t take possession of them.
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I believe they sent to auction the ones that were more of a responsibility to care for. The mares w babies, a stallion. Younger horses, 1 with a catastrophic knee injury that had healed wrong prob from lack of vet care. The ones not at auction were older mares. The horses were Id by their markings.
How do you mean, identify them by their markings?
It was not undisclosed. She was aware of the location of the horses and knew she would have to pay board. She never did
No, you have pix. Since the owner of the rescue didn’t set foot in New York, all we know is that those are pictures of unfortunate horses. I will buy into the idea that they looked like that when they were sent to the sale, however.
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We used the registry database of horses registered to her to identify the horses. All the horses were not known and I question the statement about their value. Most of the mares were unproven broodmares bred to her stallion and none of the younger horses had ever shown.
I’m mot sure how you can prove that accusation, however, what I posted upthread about the process of selling horses after a stableman’s lien still stands- there was no time for process.
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So you, as a rescue, cherry picked the horses you wanted to go to the sale? And the foal, or foals, that were killed because of poor transportation practices, how do you feel about that?
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Really? Those are her horses. Do you want the vet that assessed the ones from the auction to tell you his thoughts. His assessment…they have not had care in many mths. But I guess you won’t believe him either.
It has not been disclosed here, in this conversation, where that location is or who’s care the horses were in. That’s undisclosed.
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Your agent at the sale- which horses did they wind up with? Anything that had been in training, and maybe used as a stallion at some point? Something well bred, perhaps?
