WFP Hospitalized after course held for hour

The hardest thing right now is not knowing the outcome. If it will be a full recovery, or partial but healthy, or something else. It is emotionally hard to be patient and give it time.

As for what an accident like this, with a rider the caliber and status of WFP, means to eventing …

Yes. Regardless of the outcome but especially if the long-term is not favorable, there will be a negative reaction from many sources, inside and outside eventing. It’s simply inevitable. It would be in the best interests of the sport of eventing, long-term, not to belittle or dismiss those expressions of concern, but to acknowledge those feelings respectfully. That doesn’t mean agreement. It means communicating with understanding rather than defensiveness. IMO

And many of us are understandably feeling more emotional than realistic - of course. If we could prevent all future accidents by quitting ourselves, we’d do it. But we don’t have that power.

In the end, no rider in any discipline, of any caliber or status, is immune from an accident. To feel that “if it can happen to WFP” then the overall risk is too great is a natural reaction - but it’s emotional, rather than statistically valid.

Courtney King-Dye. Ron Turcotte. Ella Pallister (show jumping, 2013). The 6-year-old riding bareback across a parking lot who fell to a fatal brain injury.

It is riding and horses that are dangerous. And there are similar discussions in other sports, from skiing to gymnastics. We aren’t alone in a bubble in this.

Because when people make sports achievement a goal, unfortunately their risk is increased. That is the world we live in.

Eventing doesn’t own the danger. In fact, because eventers generally do seem to be more aware, IMO they are probably safer than the show-hunter kid who pays little attention in the warm-up ring while on a trainer-schooled, made show horse. Just an observation from my time in that warm-up ring with them.

IMO, even after WFP’s accident, there is still more risk to an untaught, unsupervised child messing with a poorly-trained and irritable backyard horse than there is to any UL eventer who is riding well and practicing good horsemanship.

That’s the way I look at it.

It certainly causes me deep concern that such a brilliant rider, one who has also been an ambassador for the sport, has suffered this injury. But even as we wait with trepidation for updates, eventing as a sport has to look ahead and work through the fallout - and more is coming, no doubt about that.

Let’s do it kindly and reasonably, with understanding, and not respond in ways that are emotionally defensive. That’s what’s best for the sport of eventing, long-term. IMO :slight_smile:

It does make one pause when two of the best have had bad falls this year.

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The sobering thing about WFP’s accident is that if the best in the world can have this kind of accident jumping around your average XC jump in a **? Good grief, it seems like people like me have no business out there with something like that as a goal because it’s not fair to my family and it’s not fair to the horses. There is nothing at all wrong with feeling shaken by something like this.[/QUOTE]

While I DO get the sentiment…the reality is that we DO live with those sort of dangerous decisions day in and day out. I DO know people who were killed with horses or had a TBI through absolutely NO MISTAKE. I also know many more killed in car accidents…some where they were at fault…others where they were not.

I was re-ended in TWO major car accidents within 3 weeks. Both times I was no where at fault or had made any mistakes. First was a Semi…I was stopped at a red light…he didn’t stop in time. Second time, I was waiting to turn left with my signal on and got hit by a girl going 50+mph…probably texting. Both cars were totaled and it is really unbelievably lucky that I walked away fine physically from both accidents.

I didn’t stop driving or blame cars–but yes, I still get nervous when stopped and cars/trucks are coming behind me…probably will for a long time but I still take the risk of driving. Accidents happen riding…some are preventable but many are not.

 Please....lets not turn this thread into a bash eventing....or eventing is too dangerous.    Eventing is dangerous...so is just handling horses and driving in your car....I don't want this thread to become that debate again.

In this case…it is perfectly fine to have sobering thoughts. But be aware that those sobering thoughts happen all the time and more as you get older. They happen when you know some one killed or who dies or is injured seriously even when NOT horse related. And trust me…you get them when you are hit by a semi or any other car doing something perfectly normal. It is called being reminded we are mortal.

I keep seeing a bunch of additional posts and hoping that there was a big update on William Fox-Pitt’s condition.

Perhaps another thread could be started to contain the discussion of the dangers of eventing in light of recent rider injuries, rather than renewing the topic here?

Is there an update today?

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While I DO get the sentiment…the reality is that we DO live with those sort of dangerous decisions day in and day out.[/QUOTE]
This cannot be desputed, but the foundation of redalter’s thought was not a statement of position or of quick reaction, but a reflective question of have we gone too far?

Certainly that is and will always be a relative question, but it is a viable question that can start processes to look into why things happen, can it be prevented, can it be made safer. As another post said, shrugging shoulders and saying “it’s a dangerous sport” is close to a cop out or lack of concern beyond the self. That it is a dangerous sport is a given, can some of the dangers be mitigated should be an ongoing question.

This is not a bash Eventing stance. I see it quite the opposite. In accidents, statements are taken, officials review the data, sometimes a judgement is made, sometimes not, but it is documented in a way that allows for review. Too many accidents at a 4 way, change it to a light as an example.

It may be harder to get that type of data from Eventing since it is a small community and the parameters are ever changing. Still, I’d rather VIPs actually take the time, or be required to take time to answer that question, have we gone to far, to extreme when something happens and give an answer that helps the greater community to understand why, if possible. Every incident is a chance to learn, even if it was just an accident, but more so if a small change might reduce the risk just a little more.

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Is there an update today?[/QUOTE]

Not yet.

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I keep seeing a bunch of additional posts and hoping that there was a big update on William Fox-Pitt’s condition.

Perhaps another thread could be started to contain the discussion of the dangers of eventing in light of recent rider injuries, rather than renewing the topic here?[/QUOTE]

Sorry about that - I didn’t mean to detract and you’re completely right. I made a new thread here. I honestly wasn’t planning to post that and it just sort of happened. I didn’t realize it would touch so many people. It’s an interesting discussion though and I hope those who are interested will continue on the other thread.

I will continue to send good vibes and thoughts to WFP and his family. Here’s to a full and easy recovery. For the medical types, is “no-news” in this case “good news?” Or are there too many factors to know for sure?

[QUOTE=Minerva;8369992]
I keep seeing a bunch of additional posts and hoping that there was a big update on William Fox-Pitt’s condition.

Perhaps another thread could be started to contain the discussion of the dangers of eventing in light of recent rider injuries, rather than renewing the topic here?[/QUOTE]

Good idea, I was going to suggest it myself. I think there should be a separate thread for those who want to continue debating the dangers of eventing, it is in poor taste to continue this line of thought IMO.

Sending tons of jingles! I keep checking for updates.

I remember a few years ago USEA did do some statistical analysis of the accident rates in eventing and found that the rates went up quite dramatically at Intermediate and Advanced. It did make me think maybe I would be content just competing at Prelim and below, and nothing since then in current course design has made me change that opinion. Horses are dangerous, but some horse sports are considerably more dangerous, and upper level eventing is pretty high up on the list. There’s also been a lot of discussion about whether the switch from the long format has made things more dangerous, and I know Jimmy Wofford certainly thinks so, and I’m inclined to agree with him. It’s only natural that this sort of injury to a highly skilled capable rider makes us all think about these risks again, and I think that’s entirely appropriate.

Among the many well wishers for WFP’s full recovery here. And extra comforting thoughts to his family and stablemates who must be beside themselves with worry.

I think a lot of why we are having the reaction to this is because of how we all feel about William. From reading the above posts, it is apparent how dear he is to all of us. He is the consumate gentlemen and competitor. Our reactions seem to be more personal and self-reflective, which isn’t always a bad thing. Hopefully soon we will have good news and then can rally around him during recovery mode.

On the Facebook page for the upcoming clinic here in Kentucky someone suggested we could donate our (already paid) auditing fees to him. I am all for that.

I never dreamt there would be no change this many days out. He always seemed a little immortal. :frowning:

Update for 10/23:
23 Oct 15
23/10/15 update regarding William Fox-Pitt
William remains stable and under continued observation, however there are no further changes to report.

The hospital will make no further statements until the beginning of next week.

This update follows the news on Saturday (17th October) that William Fox-Pitt and his horse Reinstated fell during the cross country phase of the 2015 World Championships for Young Horses in Le Lion d’Angers (France).

We ask that the privacy of the family is respected at this time; his family and support team are very grateful for all the concern expressed.

This is where my comment comes in that we must be patient and keep the faith. As the experience of the football player from my area showed, a person can be unconscious and/or non-responsive for quite a long time, and still reawaken with good functioning and an excellent chance of a full recovery. Let’s hope that Mr. Fox-Pitt’s brain is busy healing while he is kept sedated and that he, too, will have an excellent recovery.

Count me in as another person who was thrilled to have a quick chat with WFP at Rolex over a decade ago, and he even charmed my non-horsey mother :slight_smile:

Also, one of my best friends was in a terrible MVA. One month in an induced coma, no idea if he’d make it. All of his belongings were packed up in storage and his landlord rented his place out kind of prognosis. He came out of it, and was back galloping horses three months later. An incredible recovery, and I’m hoping WFP’s situation isn’t nearly as bad.

Wow. Last time I was on here it was a minor concussion, very very sad to see the updates. Add my prayers in with everyone else’s.

Sending my daily well wishes. Come on William - we know if anyone can get though this it’s you.

I sustained a TBI two and a half years ago, and so this hits home. I keep checking this thread for additional updates. I am crossing my fingers and toes for good news for William and his family.