The one that started it all for us: Mill Run
There are probably thousands of Danzig line TBs out there. Heās proved himself as grandsire with a significant number of 4* event horses recently.
His son Danehill shuttled from the UK to Australia for Coolmore and has just about collared Coolmore breeding along with Sadlerās Wells. If a stallion stands at Coolmore, thereās about a 90% chance that it will be one of those two as sire. Because of the shuttling Danehill has saturated Australia, as have Sadlerās Wells and his full brother Fairy King.
One rather interesting thing about Danzig is that in his dam line rather far back, one finds Bachelorās Double. Bachelorās Double was a constant in event horses in the 1960ās and 70ās and is also the damsire of Furioso. Heās one of Judy Wardropeās reference sires.
Speaking of Danzig I have this mare http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/seneca+falls ran quite a bit retired sound super clean legs.
Iād originally wanted to breed her to a WB(Livello) but this past year have been really considering a TB in an attempts to get an intentionally sport horse bred filly for future use as a broodmare if she proved worthy.
I wish AFR were closer
Any other TB ideas that might cross well with her and are available ?
Regarding Danzig- he was a very prolific son of Northern Dancer, so there are a lot of relatives out there. The ātypicalā Danzig (like his sire) doesnāt really appeal to me; most of them are kind of short and squatty, sprinter-type bodies. Athletic, yes, but not very long-legged. Thatās not to say there are not nice Danzigs out there-- Hard Spun is one for sure!-- but the ānicerā leggy ones show more mare influence than Danzig influence, IMO. Hard Spun was out of a very nice Turkoman mare; Turkoman gives a bit of size, Iāve noticed (Point Given is also out of a Turkoman mareā¦he surely didnāt get his size from Thunder Gulch!).
Northern Dancers in general tend to be good jumpers (in my experience), so I would suspect Danzigs would jump well, too; but again, there are so many of them that itās hard to generalize whoās good and who isnāt from one name in the pedigree. Northern Dancer sired a lot of horses with big, strong hindquarters but not much length of leg. They were fast and athletic, but perhaps not the best of movers. (My mareās sire, Carnivalay (by ND) was just about 15h.)
Lynwood, because AFR is Old/ISR approved you could present your mare for inspection and register the foal (even though it is all TB) as an Oldenburg. Just another option!
I donāt particular love greys, but I ran across a short clip for this stallion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIl6jsu6UDc&feature=plcp a while back, and would have liked to see more.
My Danzig granddaughter is a good solid 16.1hh and has plenty of leg without being weedy looking
I really need to go take nice pictures of her. I have some from when I got her and she was a MESS!
[quote=goodpony;6424292]That line is amazing for sport as far as Im concerned. We bred another Pleasant Colony grand daughter by a different son this season (Cherokee Colony) who is simply an outstanding producer. I saw her most recent filly (yearling) and I wanted to take her homeājust a jaw dropper.
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[quote=DMK;6434037]Actually, a whole lot of us like Frosty the Snowman because of the Diplomat Way. 
Thatās a Bridlewood horse top to bottom. The horse in my profile is Erinās Isle X Diplomat Way mare and Danny Robertshaw had a nice Diplomat Way son a few years ago. Iāve known of a few others in my history and most were pretty good over fences.
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If anyone is interested in this mare, her trainer wants her gone asap and has dropped her price to $1000:
(New price has not yet hit the website. Sheās stabled at Arapahoe Park.)
She ran yesterday, second to last. Nothing wrong with her, as far as her trainer knows, and I found her legs clean and tight. If you like her, move fast, as heās got a few irons in the fire.
THAT is one cool drink of waterāswoon! (She looks so much like my mare with legs up to my eyeballs its incredible!).
Sheās pretty awesome, goodpony! And shipping to NoCA shouldnāt be that expensive
Donāt tempt me! I would love to have a smaller version of my mare who is 17.2HH.
our mare has scored mainly 8/9s in front of Hilda Gurney in her first recognized show. Every time she has been shown subsequently there has been very strong interest (if not outright offers) in her especially from the upper level eventing community. She was approved main marebook with the American Hanoverian Society and selected for the Hanoverian Jumper Breeding program. She was site champion Non-Hanoverian and ranked number 3 nationally in the year of her inspection/performance testāfor non-hanoverians. Not Shabby at all.
As I mentioned previously I hunted for a mare of presence, type, conformation and gaitsāIm sold on this particular line (and its various permutations). This is not that easy to find high quality TB mares on the west coastānot that we dont have nice horses the nice ones are hard to find and even harder to buy! If I didnt already have 4 mares Id be jumping on this one.
goodpony, if youād like to pick her up, I can point you to a place that can hold on to her until youāre ready to ship her. Let me know if youāre interested (Iām tempting you!!)
and Im working on my DH. :lol:
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If anyone is interested in this mare, her trainer wants her gone asap and has dropped her price to $1000:
(New price has not yet hit the website. Sheās stabled at Arapahoe Park.)
She ran yesterday, second to last. Nothing wrong with her, as far as her trainer knows, and I found her legs clean and tight. If you like her, move fast, as heās got a few irons in the fire.[/QUOTE]
This is a lovely mare - look at the shoulder on her!! :yes:
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Lynwood, because AFR is Old/ISR approved you could present your mare for inspection and register the foal (even though it is all TB) as an Oldenburg. Just another option![/QUOTE]
Thank you Lynwood.
Sadly we are far awayā¦ but magictt is right, and ISR/OldNA is an option.
Hope you find a boy you like closer to home - but thank you for thinking of AFR.
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Can someone comment on Silver Deputy or Rich Cream for sport?
I just found an old thread on Silver Deputy questioning his hocks. . . Although I like the Cult Hero line info in that thread.
Cult Hero was a āhotā TB sire in Ireland before his death. Rich Cream was the sire of Rich Rebel, one of the better TB sport horse sires in Ireland in recent years. He was used almost exclusively to produce ISHs, and some of his have done well at the Advanced levels of eventing.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/rich+rebel2
I ran across a tiny little gelding racer by Silver Deputy who raced at Finger Lakes, IIRC, and fell in long distance lust. Thereās a nice conformation photo of Silver Deputy that you can find on the web if you search. He looks fairly uphill in the photo, but very much like a son of Deputy Minister.
It is Deputy Minister about whom one of my vets said there was hock buzz. Vet breeds for the Keeneland sales. Another thing to watch with Deputy Minister, as with all TBs, but Iād make more of a point with DM, is downhill. You have to evaluate each horse as an individual, but I donāt think its a line with great uphill potential. Deputy Minister was fairly pre-potent for typeāand color. Youāre likely to end up with a plain bay unless you get grey.
Vineyridge- was there a problem with stock by Deputy Minister/Cult Hero? Had a young horse by C.H- tremendously talented, but never right- suspect hock problems.
The conversation with my vet came up during a lameness exam for a mare that I owned who had Deputy Minister for a grandsire on top. She had just been put into work and was extremely sore with some hock filling. The vet in question breeds TBs for sale for racing at the Keeneland sales and doesnāt think twice about a 40k stud feeāor didnāt in 2009. In talking about her, he just mentioned that the Kentucky breeding people thought that there might be a DM propensity to throw hocks that could cause problems. My girl got hock injections at the age of 5 once, got over her going into work problems, and as far as I know, hasnāt needed hock help since.
I havenāt heard anything in particular about Cult Hero, but there might be some buzz in Ireland about him and hocks. If you know some Irish event breeders, it might be worth asking.
I love the Sir Ivor line. They have a fabulous work ethic, and are very athletic.
Also love to see Princequillo and you can never have enough Teddy line ever!
I was lucky to have a gelding, Air Mal http://www.herselffarm.com/images/AirMal_jump.jpeg
out of this mare: http://www.pedigreequery.com/prove+it+mal http://www.herselffarm.com/images/104Caro-R1-052-24A.jpg [pictured at 20 yrs of age] and later acquired her two daughters.
Both daughters are by sonās of Mr P out of Secretariat mares
Malās Mystery http://www.herselffarm.com/mystery.html and
Jrās Freedom http://www.herselffarm.com/JrsFreedom.html
These girls have produced lovely athletic, sweet fillies, sired by WB stallions.
Daz: http://www.herselffarm.com/images/DazUpperville.jpg (Mystery)
IronRose: http://www.herselffarm.com/images/sanding_ralphcropped.jpg (Mystery)
Karrisa: http://www.herselffarm.com/images/Karat_FEH_Finals_-_Yearling.JPG (Jrās Freedom)
