What stallions would you not want to see doubled up or line bred on a page

[DownYonder]

Re Duke of Oldenburg - he descends from the Weissena mare line, which is very highly regarded in Oldenburg. And yes, his dam, Weidenkatzchen, is inbred . Here is the pedigree on HorseTelex. http://www.horsetelex.com/horses/pedigree/516486?levels=6 You can really see the inbreeding component if you expand the pedigree out to 6 generations.

Will also add that being inbred certainly didn’t hinder Weidenkatzchen from being named a State Premium mare, nor did it hinder her from producing an approved stallion son.

[Moose_Tail_Farm]

To continue about the Duke of Oldenburg, I think one of the earlier comments about the ‘inbreeding’ is that is dam is Caprimond as a sire top and bottom, as well as the Wega dam influence twice. So – by DeNiro (Love that stallion!) out of a mare whose sire and dam were both sired by Caprimond. Fascinated by the Duke of Oldenburg, and I understand his character is just stupendous, he acts as beautiful as he looks an moves.

[Hazelnut79]

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Not to fire some shots but why don’t YOU show us YOUR research? I was NEVER taught in college (I took an Equine Repro class) that epigenetic marks are “erased” at birth – I was taught they can come up later in a generation from an ancestor. If my professor was wrong, please tell me and provide me with the links thereof.[/QUOTE]

So-called transgenerational epigenetic inheritance in mammals is still pretty speculative (not including maternal/paternal imprinting, which is well established but almost always cleared each generation), and it’s only been nailed down in a very few cases, mostly in mice, naturally, and mostly for genes that have an insertion of a repeated element or something else funky going on, and mostly with incomplete penetrance in any case – odds are the phenomenon is quite rare, and it’s not at all clear yet how often it’s truly multigenerational. There’s a nice 2012 review at the URL below, but it’s probably behind a paywall (I’m at work): http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v13/n3/full/nrg3188.html

ETA: There is rampant speculation regarding Grandpa’s apparently epigenetic traits showing up in the grandkids, but vanishingly few cases in which we can say yet that yes, Grandpa has unusual DNA methylation here, and so does Mom but not Uncle Bob, but all of Mom’s kids have it too.

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;7185717]
Re Duke of Oldenburg - he descends from the Weissena mare line, which is very highly regarded in Oldenburg. And yes, his dam, Weidenkatzchen, is inbred . Here is the pedigree on HorseTelex. http://www.horsetelex.com/horses/pedigree/516486?levels=6 You can really see the inbreeding component if you expand the pedigree out to 6 generations.

Will also add that being inbred certainly didn’t hinder Weidenkatzchen from being named a State Premium mare, nor did it hinder her from producing an approved stallion son.[/QUOTE]

That’s what I was thinking: DoO’s damsire was o/o a DAUGHTER of Wega, whereas his dam was o/o Wega herself. And, obviously, both were sired by Caprimond.

So this is a great example of what I was talking about by doubling up on a good mare (Wega); and it seems to have worked pretty well…

[paulamc]

I like Duke of Oldenburg too, and I noticed him straightaway because of his pedigree with the mare Wega - there are two daughters of the mare Wega.

Daughters of a mare do not have a classification as such . They are not a filly factor which is a son and daughter of a mare and they are not a colt factor which is a son and daughter of a sire

Still its a good thing to have but would be more powerful if there were a son and daughter of Wega

A lot of the trakehner horses are very closely bred, I guess because they have to use their own lines only or TB lines

its a nice pedigree though and good to see the daughters up so close

Paulamc