What will make you comfortable enough to show again?

[oldernewbie]

So my state is opening up a bit. Hair salons opened today and I decided that I trusted my salon enough to give it a go. Walked in and 2 of the stylists (not mine) were not wearing masks as required by the state. Told my stylist I couldn’t stay under those conditions. She asked the 2 without masks to cover up. One did, one did not. The one still without was probably 20 ft away from me, I was masked, my stylist was masked, so I decided to go for it. Didn’t let her blow dry my hair - cut, color, and get out of Dodge. Of course the unmasked one went on at length about how she couldn’t wear them, made her claustrophobic, blah blah blah. I walked out of there thinking that I might have just made a really stupid decision and I’m not doing it again.

I’m calling the health department.

I am certain (as I have seen it expressed on FB already) that there are going to be people who will not wear a face covering at a horse show come hell or high water. I just don’t want to be around them. Don’t want to stay in a hotel, eat at a restaurant, or stable next to them. I might go to a local one-day schooling show later in the summer and pretty sure I will take lessons (outdoors), but that is it.

Millions of disappointments this year…

[dotneko]

@NotGrandPrixYet

There is already one person in my area who has gotten COVID-19 while at the country club playing golf. So these sports don’t come with zero risk unless there are no other people with whom one interacts.

Im unclear as to how they ascertained he contracted Covid-19 while at the country club. He may have been at the country club, but given the incubation period of up to two weeks, how did they know that is where he got it?

[skydy]

@dotneko

Im unclear as to how they ascertained he contracted Covid-19 while at the country club. He may have been at the country club, but given the incubation period of up to two weeks, how did they know that is where he got it?

Most likely testing and contact tracing.

[NotGrandPrixYet]

@dotneko

Im unclear as to how they ascertained he contracted Covid-19 while at the country club. He may have been at the country club, but given the incubation period of up to two weeks, how did they know that is where he got it?

Because that is the only place he had gone to outside of his home in a month, and he was in contact with a known case who previously tested positive a week before. That’s why.

They are tracing contacts. Are you not aware of that?

[NotGrandPrixYet]

@dotneko

Im unclear as to how they ascertained he contracted Covid-19 while at the country club. He may have been at the country club, but given the incubation period of up to two weeks, how did they know that is where he got it?

This guy was a single male whose only outing had been to the club to play a round of golf because his facebook buddies made him feel like he was being dramatic by staying home. He hadn’t even been to a grocery store or gas station.

In parallel, a public health official was investigating any contacts made by a known positive case who had been hospitalized. They were testing these contacts and this man tested positive. Luckily, he had gone home and stayed home since the golf outing. He ended up in the hospital on a ventilator just days after his diagnosis.

[dotneko]

@NotGrandPrixYet

Because that is the only place he had gone to outside of his home in a month, and he was in contact with a known case who previously tested positive a week before. That’s why.

They are tracing contacts. Are you not aware of that?

Of course I am aware that they trace contacts. I, myself, am limiting where I go, but I would still have a hard time remembering where I had been over the past two weeks. When I went to pick up grain, did I stop for a hamburger? drop off mail? go to the bank? get gas? get a pizza delivered? go to the drug store?
I truly find it hard to believe that he went nowhere other than the golf course over the previous two weeks - or had no contact with another person in that time.

[ThreeFigs]

How can you be sure this person contracted the virus at the country club while playing golf? Might he/she have contracted it in the clubhouse or at the grocery store or the local big box store or wherever? People in NYC are catcing it while under lockdown – but NYC is so densly populated, it’s no surprise. I have to wonder how accurate the tracking is, given that over the last few months we’re been told masks are essential, then they’re not, blah blah blah. OK. I get it. We’re learning as we go.

Catching the virus is not an automatic death sentence – 98% of people who contract it survive. The ones who die from it are likely elderly or have an underlying medical problem. OK, so protect them and let the rest of us work, play, pray, travel, get back to normal.

It’s just my opinion, and therefore worth nothing, but this is a mountain out of a molehill. Tragic for the people and their families who contract it and die, but so far, a lot less lethal than the regular flu.

We’re all going to die eventually. I want to live my life and enjoy it. I’d like everyone else to do so also. People need to get back to work to support their families, pay their bills and achieve normalcy again. This fear is worse than the disease.

Happy newsflash: a 105-year old woman here in Colorado just beat the virus!

[fancy.pants]

There are one day shows I enjoy in my area that are moved to July and August. Unfortunately, when its 90 degrees, there goes the enjoyment. And, can you imagine working at those shows and having to wear a mask all day? This is not going to be business as usual for a long time…
BTW, dotneko, you are going to a LOT of places that I haven’t gone near for 2 months. Food store once a week and gas station twice. That’s it for me. Not that I’m enjoying it…

[dotneko]

@fancy.pants

There are one day shows I enjoy in my area that are moved to July and August. Unfortunately, when its 90 degrees, there goes the enjoyment. And, can you imagine working at those shows and having to wear a mask all day? This is not going to be business as usual for a long time…
BTW, dotneko, you are going to a LOT of places that I haven’t gone near for 2 months. Food store once a week and gas station twice. That’s it for me. Not that I’m enjoying it…

Well, with 34 horses to care for, I don’t have the luxury of not going for grain, paying bills and going to the bank. We need prescriptions picked up and I have medical appointments I cannot skip. Marketing done every 10 days. In any of those trips I could have come in contact with someone with it who could have given it to me. Contact tracing would be pretty tough.

[Ghazzu]

@dotneko

Of course I am aware that they trace contacts. I, myself, am limiting where I go, but I would still have a hard time remembering where I had been over the past two weeks. When I went to pick up grain, did I stop for a hamburger? drop off mail? go to the bank? get gas? get a pizza delivered? go to the drug store?
I truly find it hard to believe that he went nowhere other than the golf course over the previous two weeks - or had no contact with another person in that time.

Really? Since this has started, I could absolutely tell you every single place I might have stopped when I left the farm. It could matter.

[Silverbridge]

@ThreeFigs

It’s just my opinion, and therefore worth nothing…

It’s true that even a broken clock is right, twice a day.

[skydy]

@dotneko

Well, with 34 horses to care for, I don’t have the luxury of not going for grain, paying bills and going to the bank. We need prescriptions picked up and I have medical appointments I cannot skip. Marketing done every 10 days. In any of those trips I could have come in contact with someone with it who could have given it to me. Contact tracing would be pretty tough.

It’s not really that difficult to trace your own activity when you think about it. Every outing you describe is marked in some way. A credit card receipt, the date on your prescription bottle, Dr.'s office records etc… Even if you pay the feed store in cash, they will have a record of your purchase and it will have a date.

We as a country are not prepared to test at the level we need to, nor to trace contacts. We have been slow to get it going but it is very important that we do so. Once we get a workable system in place we’ll be closer to making our way back to our pre-pandemic lives.

No one is enjoying the situation. We just have to be smart about it, listen to what the scientists and medical professionals are telling us, and care enough about our fellow humans to take care.

[NotGrandPrixYet]

@dotneko

Of course I am aware that they trace contacts. I, myself, am limiting where I go, but I would still have a hard time remembering where I had been over the past two weeks. When I went to pick up grain, did I stop for a hamburger? drop off mail? go to the bank? get gas? get a pizza delivered? go to the drug store?
I truly find it hard to believe that he went nowhere other than the golf course over the previous two weeks - or had no contact with another person in that time.

I don’t find it hard at all. I haven’t been anywhere off my property for more than 2 months. I have a huge pantry, a barn full of hay and grass pellets, and a fairly lush pasture. I haven’t even taken food deliveries. My friend drops off eggs from his farm to mine, but we don’t see each other So if you have a hard time believing it, it’s because you probably don’t do it.

[NotGrandPrixYet]

@ThreeFigs

How can you be sure this person contracted the virus at the country club while playing golf? Might he/she have contracted it in the clubhouse or at the grocery store or the local big box store or wherever? People in NYC are catcing it while under lockdown – but NYC is so densly populated, it’s no surprise. I have to wonder how accurate the tracking is, given that over the last few months we’re been told masks are essential, then they’re not, blah blah blah. OK. I get it. We’re learning as we go.

Catching the virus is not an automatic death sentence – 98% of people who contract it survive. The ones who die from it are likely elderly or have an underlying medical problem. OK, so protect them and let the rest of us work, play, pray, travel, get back to normal.

It’s just my opinion, and therefore worth nothing, but this is a mountain out of a molehill. Tragic for the people and their families who contract it and die, but so far, a lot less lethal than the regular flu.

We’re all going to die eventually. I want to live my life and enjoy it. I’d like everyone else to do so also. People need to get back to work to support their families, pay their bills and achieve normalcy again. This fear is worse than the disease.

Happy newsflash: a 105-year old woman here in Colorado just beat the virus!

BECAUSE HE DIDN’T GO ANYWHERE ELSE FOR A MONTH. Read that three times and you just might get it. No grocery store, no gas station. He stayed home in is yard and house.

[Snowdenfarm]

@dotneko

Well, with 34 horses to care for, I don’t have the luxury of not going for grain, paying bills and going to the bank. We need prescriptions picked up and I have medical appointments I cannot skip. Marketing done every 10 days. In any of those trips I could have come in contact with someone with it who could have given it to me. Contact tracing would be pretty tough.

At least for me, everything you described can be done through contactless deliveries. The only exception could be medical, but I had a cardiology appointment over the phone last week. With 34 horses, you are going to have vet, farrier and dental care, but there is a lot that could be avoided.

On the other hand, this cycle is not going to stop until we hit 65-70% herd immunity. With no real possibility of a vax being both safe and widely available for years, we need sacrificial lambs to go out and expose themselves to reach that number. They just need to do it in low enough numbers at a time that the medical system can handle it.

[gailbyrd]

@ThreeFigs

Catching the virus is not an automatic death sentence – 98% of people who contract it survive. The ones who die from it are likely elderly or have an underlying medical problem. OK, so protect them and let the rest of us work, play, pray, travel, get back to normal.

influenza death rate is 0.1%. 98% survival with COVID-19 means 2% death rate. Quite a difference in death rates ( I’m just going with what ThreeFigs stated, not the actual numbers which will vary until we get enough testing)

[Horse_Rider]

@ThreeFigs

We’re all going to die eventually. I want to live my life and enjoy it. I’d like everyone else to do so also. People need to get back to work to support their families, pay their bills and achieve normalcy again. This fear is worse than the disease.

I fully believe we all die, live while you can. I’m not afraid of dying of anything, including this virus, although I will admit a sense of relief when I read that asthma is no longer considered a high risk for COVID-19 related death. I don’t want to die, but I know it could happen no matter how careful I am.

You know what I’m actually afraid of? Nay, terrified of?

• Giving it to someone else and causing the death, maiming, or suffering of another.
• Getting the virus and:
  – Having a stroke and losing my independence.
  – Developing kidney failure and going on dialysis for the rest of my life.
  – Permanent lung damage.
  – Permanent nerve damage.
  – Who knows what else because this virus grows a new pathology once a week.

I have a chronic health condition. It #$@#!ing sucks. I will never be able to achieve some of the goals I would have once easily managed before the onset of this problem. My body just will literally not hold up. I can’t live my life to what I once considered its fullest because something out of my control sits in my DNA. I will live with chronic pain. I will live with a strict regime of care that interferes with my time, my hobbies, and my life. I look at the stories about people “recovering” from COVID-19 who still struggle to walk up stairs months later, who remain on dialysis. It’s too early to know if this is their new normal or if this will improve with time.

Take it from someone who will never be “normal” again, you do not want to catch a virus that may take you from a healthy person to a chronic condition in a week’s time. Yes, this virus is “mostly” killing the old, but plenty of young people are dying and plenty of “survivors” are hardly thriving.

There are worse things than death. Count on it.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

Let me just clarify that many who do NOT have comorbidities and who are NOT elderly are extremely ill and are dying.

[ThreeFigs]

@NotGrandPrixYet

BECAUSE HE DIDN’T GO ANYWHERE ELSE FOR A MONTH. Read that three times and you just might get it. No grocery store, no gas station. He stayed home in is yard and house.

No food deliveries, no mail, no chatting over the fence with a neighbor? He lives alone, too?

Wow. He’d better stay home forever. Dude’s got bad luck.

[Snowdenfarm]

@ThreeFigs

No food deliveries, no mail, no chatting over the fence with a neighbor? He lives alone, too?

Wow. He’d better stay home forever. Dude’s got bad luck.

Thank you. People like you will drive up the percentage of the population with antibodies so we can reach herd immunity. Just please do not go out in such numbers that the staff that cares for my mother in her long term care facility get infected. Before they realize they are infected, they will pass it on to the residents where the death rate is around 75%. This virus is a horrible way to die, especially without being allowed to have family members present.