When 5" is just not enough!

What ![](s this conspiracy that says that all western horses should wear a 5" bit? As an English rider I seemed to have a great choice in bit styles and size, but as a western rider it appears that 5" is your choice. I did have an English bit made once, a 6" mullen mouth pelham, beautiful bit, for a very very square cob :smiley:

I now have a QH with a very manly head, and I don’t think that 5" is wide enough for him, but I simply can’t find the bit I want in a wider fitting. I use this bit

[IMG]http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/rm185western/Saddles/bitfromDenise.jpg)

Which he goes in nicely but I think it is just a tad too tight for him

[IMG]http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/rm185western/Horses/Gibbs/21stFeb143.jpg)

So I’m looking for the same bit only wider, any bright ideas?

I had a bit made by NRS (Dutton) and I think it gave the option for different width mouthpieces. The bit I had made was around $100.

Are you talking about some 5" rule for showing? Or are you having trouble finding a bit more than 5" wide?

I am having trouble finding many choices of bit wider than 5", but in particular I want THAT bit (or one like it) in 5 1/4 or even 5 1/2"

I don’t think the OP is talking about a “showing rule” I think what they are talking about is the fact it seems that the VAST majority of western bits come in 5" ONLY.

I browsed a number of bits on the Smith Brother’s site, I couldn’t find a single bit that gave a choice of mouth piece width - all are the same, 5".

When buying english tack, the vast majority of bits come in multiple sizes, generally 4.5", 5" and 5.5" - but for some reason all of the western bits are “one size fits all” - which we know is not really the case.

Absolutely Appsolute, that is the issue in a nutshell:D

Is there any particular reason you are using the futurity bit rather than some other style? Just asking 
 there should be plenty of 6" snaffles out there that your manly guy might like 


Check out this site for draft-size snaffle bits:
http://www.drafttack.com/page24.html

I suggest Googling draft horse bits or 6" western bits or western warmblood bits. Could he go in a 5 1/2"?

I’m a snaffle girl myself and love this type of bit:
http://www.doversaddlery.com/albacon...g/p/X1-010177/

I realize it’s a big change from what you’ve been using 


Yah, he was in a snaffle, in fact tried two snaffles on him, but he was not happy, he ‘fussed’ with them. The tongue relief from the low port seems to suit him, and IF we are going to make it to a show or two this year he will have to be in a curb bit.

This is why I am frustrated in my search, he likes this bit, I want this bit in his size, once you move out of snaffles it seems that we get to this 5" thing.

I think Myler will do custom widths. Any custom bit maker will, though you’ll pay more than tack store prices.

None of these are exactly like yours, but the over 5" western bit is an elusive creature. I’ve seen several reviews of the Metalab curb bits that say they run almost 1/4" wider than they list. I’ve had several of their snaffle bits, they’re not the fanciest things out there, but they’re higher quality than the price would lead you to believe.

5 1/8" mouthpiece, pretty too: http://www.callisters.com/metalab-santa-fe-collection-antique-futurity-bit

Another 5 1/8" http://www.ozarksaddleking.com/PS/1204-correction-mouth.html

5 1/2" http://www.smithbrothers.com/loomis-low-port-grazer-bit/p/X3-010450/?EID=X38A00U1014&utm_source=Shopzilla&utm_medium=CSE&utm_campaign=MerchAdv&zmam=53292815&zmas=1&zmac=5&zmap=0010450000000X3-010450

OK now we are talking, thank you that is closer than I have been able to find, gives me some more leads.

Good luck with finding the bigger bits, though if you SEARCH hard, you can find some 5 1/2" mouthpieces. Mylers in bigger sizes can be pricy, plus waiting to get them back to you.

Just wondering if horse NEEDS the height of your port on present bit? Local welding shop or Farrier with a forge, could WIDEN the bit, but you would lose a little height that way. He would still have a port, looks like lots of tongue room, just would not go as high in his mouth.

Our horses almost all take 6" bits, and THAT can be exciting to find for Western horses! Finally got husband to just remake a couple bit sides from English bits, to get the “western” look, but wide enough to actually be comfortable for the old guy daughter was using in 4-H. Still got laughed at, questions about his “pony bit” short shanks, that didn’t reach the end of his muzzle. But horse went well in the bit, did everything asked of him with that bit on. He only needed that shank of 1 1/2", went on a loose rein or collected if she asked for the Western Classes, Trail, Riding Patterns, and in a hackmore with no mouthpiece for speed. Totally under control all the time. He would have flipped over backwards with longer shanks if bumped by accident, like the bit you showed. Never EVER needed that much shank. Kids don’t always have good hands, so the bit was for comfort of the horse, preventing any accidental rein bumps being a problem.

Anyway, modifying a bit is an easy fix, changing sides or adding width to the mouth if there is a thick mouthpiece or a high port to allow the changes.

You should actually measure your horse’s mouth, get the TRUE size before hunting for bits. Horses are foolers, you CAN NOT guess the mouth size by size of the horse!! I did Pony Club as the Horse Manager person, informational lessons on horsekeeping, stable management, etc. One fun lesson was to arm the kids with quilting tape measures, have them “size the horses” in my barn, listing all the measurements to purchase bridles, bits, saddles and girths, stable blankets. I had the kid write a rough guess size first in all catagories, then measure animal to write that down, listed both on their size sheet of paper for “this” horse. We used a new pencil for mouth measure, laid across the tongue, edge end on one side, pinched with fingers on other side, to learn bit width size.

Got kids comfortable working around the animal, learning to better eyeball each for size, then finding out TRUE size. Most said just carrying the tape along was a lot SAFER measure before purchases! I let the parents do the same thing, with no conferring between kid and adult! Some parents KNOW so much, you need to demonstrate that no one is the perfect guesser with a “hands-on” demonstration. One particular mom had a “refined TB” that ONLY needed a 4 1/2" bit, which really surprised me! Horse is 16H, not that delicate to look at, gave the kid a bad time a lot. After the measuring demo, horse got a new bridle and bit that FIT, went back to being the nice horse she started out being at purchase!! Bit was now a 5 1/2", bridle was a Regular in the middle holes, not Cob size, too tight across the brow, short cheeks in last hole pulling that too-small bit up tight on her lips anymore! Oh, and the reins were long enough kid wasn’t hanging on the buckle, just to keep a grip.

The Pony Clubbers were quite amazed at the variation between their guessed sizes and true measurements. The trickiest equine was the old Western horse, 14.2, so horse Western, Pony in English disciplines. Everyone miss-guessed her proportions because she just was so well put together and height HAD to make her wear little sizes! Well no, not really. This is where the bit sizing really made an impression, since she wore a 5 1/2" mouth, but only needed a Cob size bridle for short length head, but needed a regular horse browband for her WIDE forehead. Girth was a 78", and so was her blanket size.

So it you think horse needs a wider bit, measure his mouth to correctly size it as your first step. Don’t guess by just looking, many animals will fool you badly that way. Having the right sizes for your equines in your wallet, saves you time and money returning wrong sizes.

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So it you think horse needs a wider bit, measure his mouth to correctly size it as your first step. Don’t guess by just looking, many animals will fool you badly that way. Having the right sizes for your equines in your wallet, saves you time and money returning wrong sizes.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for all the advice, especially the last bit :o how did you know I haven’t actually measured
creeps into a hole in the ground for now :smiley:

Don’t feel bad about it. Almost none of the folks I know measure mouths for bits. I just have run into the problem so often, that I toss it out as a suggestion to start with. A great many of these folks have had horses for many years. Horses are just never “right” the way they expect. Twitchy, jiggy, over reacting with reins, which riders or drivers blame on the equine having a poor attitude or wanting to argue with them about.

I had that old Western horse all her LONG life, had to be very creative in coming up with reasons she was not doing better in what I asked of her. Getting her bits right was a big step forward. She thought well of herself, demanded that I did too by getting the tack right! Then she went out and made me look really good in all the variety of things we did together!! Took good care of my kids in all their horse endeavors, turned them into good riders for moving up to the bigger horses with skills to manage the higher-octane horses. She was never a “kid horse” but she was tolerant and obedient to good horsemanship.

I used to have a FjordX and he needed a 6 inch mouthpiece. I actually found a store on Ebay that specialized in bigger bits.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WEAVER-COPPER-CURB-BIT-HORSE-WESTERN-TACK-6-1-2-/360475289392?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53ee006730

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-Steel-Silver-Engraved-Conchos-Western-Show-Bit-Copper-Inlay-5-1-2-Mouth-/271412350040?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f316fcc58

http://www.ebay.com/itm/REINSMAN-EASY-RIDER-SWEET-IRON-MODIFIED-BILLY-ALLEN-HORSE-BIT-/201059628313?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ed0167519

http://www.ebay.com/itm/REINSMAN-EASY-RIDER-SWEET-IRON-LOW-PORTED-BARREL-HORSE-BIT-/201059625259?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ed016692b

I found this Myler in a 5-1/2" with their 33 mouthpiece

http://www.toklat.com/dyn_prod.php?p=89-P57337&k=87869

In their catalog pdf it says this one is a 5-1/4"
http://shop.reinsman.com/bits/453/

(page 14)
https://shop.reinsman.com/2013%20New%20Product%20Guide%20-web.pdf

Looks like Reinsman might just be the answer, either the one you guys have already suggested or this one http://www.ridingwarehouse.com/Reinsman_Seven_S_Mullen_Bit_w__Independent_Shanks/descpage-RSSB.html

I’ve got a couple of Reinsman bits. The quality is reasonable for the price.

Indeed more than 5" is tough to find in western bits and others have given good resources. My gelding actually needs a 6" bit, go figure, I’ve only had one other in 50 years that needed one that big, he was a warmblood and this guy is a 16h appendix qh. But drafttack.com had a D ring and a french link eggbutt that suit him fine, I use the former for western and the latter for English. Some 5 and 1/2 inch bits will work well enough for him so long as they are not loose ring, he does get concerned about getting pinched with those. My 14 inch mare has 5 inch bits. When I look in my tack trunk at bits used in the 1960s on my 14.3h mare, also 5 inch.

It occurred to me that folks with TWH and ASB might also be looking for wider bits. the link below is to a moderate curb bit with an adjustable width.

http://www.nationalbridle.com/product-p/1-7999.htm

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