I’ve only gotten to page 2 in the thread, so if someone has already posted this, sorry.
IN THE GRAVEST EXTREME: THE ROLE OF THE FIREARM IN PERSONAL PROTECTION by Massad F. Ayoob
Anyone who contemplates keeping a firearm in the home really needs to read this book.
Also, shotguns don’t need to be loaded with shot. They can be loaded with rock salt. It won’t do too much damage, but will hurt like HOLY MF HE((.
[QUOTE=Calamber;7785839]
She wasn’t at her house when he was there, read the OP, she was at her trainer’s barn next door. Guy was probably sure he was at the right house, thought it was vacant, used the flashlight to look around, knocked on the door to be sure. As far as a broken or malfunctioning phone, I don’t think that is out of the range of possibilities, process servers are not paid real well as far as I am aware. Probably a second gig type of thing. In any case, motion detector lights and alarm systems if I were worried about living alone with a senior who makes it difficult to have a firearm. My gun is for shooting critters (like the rabid groundhog), not people so I really don’t have much to add to that side of it.[/QUOTE]
According to the OP I read she was at HER house and had just unloaded her horse at HER barn after returning from her trainer’s where she had taken a lesson. Personally I think the OP did everything right. If he was a process server he should have identified himself as such, not wander around the property with a flashlight and then start banging on all the doors. I don’t buy the “my phone was broken” story this person gave and would be requesting a copy of the police report.
Sure lots of people can approach a stranger’s house with zero bad intent. Cars break down, cell phones don’t have service, etc. But if I needed HELP from someone I wouldn’t wander around their property with a flashlight first and then start aggressively banging on doors.
[QUOTE=vandenbrink;7786064]
wow…amazed at some of these comments. I’m Canadian. In many ways Canadians and Americans are very similar. On the topic of guns however we have very different opinions about things.
-Don’t have a gun, and don’t want one.
-Don’t know anyone in Canada with a handgun.
-Only people I know with guns are hunters and a few farmers that use them to euthanize and animal if need be, and possible shoot a coyote of wolf if they fear for the safety of their livestock.
edited to add, that for most of the gun owners in Canada I think the idea of using it to protect them self has maybe not even entered their thoughts. Many of these farmer guns would be locked up in the barn somewhere…not in the house…not near them to protect them from an intruder.[/QUOTE]
Where in Canada do you live?
What percentile is black?
What percentile is illegal Hispanic?
They are expensive (over 1K) but I would purchase an experience LGD (Livestock Guard Dog). They weigh over 100 lbs and will kill coyotes and, depending on the type of dog whether they guard the livestock OR guard the land boundaries, prevent intruders.
I also would buy a gun and hide it someplace, like in a safe with a combination Mom doesn’t have. Then take gun lessons.
We have a local gun range where cops practice shooting. You can “try” our several tyypes of guns there so you find one which is comfortable for you. When I first started shooting it took a while before I could handle the noise (even with ear protection) - but if you persist you’ll be able to handle it. Trust me - a verbal warning - you have 5 seonds to get the H*** off my property followed by a warning shot to the ground (IF needed) - he would get the point.
But the neighbors phone # is a great backup and certainly call both before you warn guy to get lost.
[QUOTE=cssutton;7786263]
Where in Canada do you live?
What percentile is black?
What percentile is illegal Hispanic?[/QUOTE]
I just made a quick google and found that 30% of US housholds admit to owning a gun.
28% of Canadians own a gun.
If you have more accurate information, please post it.
my dog was barking for a long time Monday night (Tuesday morning) until I brought her in the house and settled her down
[QUOTE=Valentina_32926;7786286]
They are expensive (over 1K) but I would purchase an experience LGD (Livestock Guard Dog). They weigh over 100 lbs and will kill coyotes and, depending on the type of dog whether they guard the livestock OR guard the land boundaries, prevent intruders…[/QUOTE]
check Petfinder.com - there are loads of LGDs available
(my two GPyrXs came from the SPCA, my GPyr came from county animal control - all wonderful dogs, fabulous guardians and excellent judges of character)
[QUOTE=SGray;7786337]
check Petfinder.com - there are loads of LGDs available
(my two GPyrXs came from the SPCA, my GPyr came from county animal control - all wonderful dogs, fabulous guardians and excellent judges of character)[/QUOTE]
Agreed - but if she wants one to do double duty (livestock guardian from coyotes as well as large dog to discourage people predators) she will most likey have to pay more money than a rescue would charge, although some of the rescues mare more expensive than younger dogs. However - I found some VERY Inexpensive rescues the other day from California. Rescue said it looks like they are experienced at guarding livestock, so not great with people, that got lost/were abandoned/??? so wwere found starving. Personally I’d try one of these - feed it well and make friends with it then introduce it gradually to livestock. They are less expensive since they are not “pet” material - and in your situation that’s what I’d want. You just need a good fence for LGDs (they can clear 4 foot easily so a nice hot wire over the top is a good idea, as is training them to stay inside the property boundaries).
[QUOTE=Calamber;7785839]
She wasn’t at her house when he was there, read the OP, she was at her trainer’s barn next door. Guy was probably sure he was at the right house, thought it was vacant, used the flashlight to look around, knocked on the door to be sure. As far as a broken or malfunctioning phone, I don’t think that is out of the range of possibilities, process servers are not paid real well as far as I am aware. Probably a second gig type of thing. In any case, motion detector lights and alarm systems if I were worried about living alone with a senior who makes it difficult to have a firearm. My gun is for shooting critters (like the rabid groundhog), not people so I really don’t have much to add to that side of it.[/QUOTE]
Quotes from the original post:
Last night as I parked the trailer to unload my horse in the dark after a lesson up at my trainer’s, someone drove past our place into the desert, drove around there some, turned around and parked outside our (latched, not locked) property gate.
We went inside, locked the doors, and soon saw him on our property walking around with a flashlight in the dark, wandering around the house and near the arena which is at the front of the property (barn is at the back and had lights on - he stayed out of the lights.)
Guy was pounding on the door a few times and continuing to walk around our property as if looking for a way in,
I see where you might have gotten confused by the statement that she had been at her trainers’, but she was at home. I still don’t buy the “my phone was broken” thing.
[QUOTE=Valentina_32926;7786416]
Agreed - but if she wants one to do double duty (livestock guardian from coyotes as well as large dog to discourage people predators) she will most likey have to pay more money than a rescue would charge, although some of the rescues mare more expensive than younger dogs. However - I found some VERY Inexpensive rescues the other day from California. Rescue said it looks like they are experienced at guarding livestock, so not great with people, that got lost/were abandoned/??? so wwere found starving. Personally I’d try one of these - feed it well and make friends with it then introduce it gradually to livestock. They are less expensive since they are not “pet” material - and in your situation that’s what I’d want. You just need a good fence for LGDs (they can clear 4 foot easily so a nice hot wire over the top is a good idea, as is training them to stay inside the property boundaries).[/QUOTE]
agree that I would definitely go to experienced breeder if I needed a LGD for heavy-duty livestock work
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What percentile is black?
What percentile is illegal Hispanic?[/QUOTE]
Hispanics must be illegal to pose a threat. Blacks are threats, no matter what.
Good to know.
Haven’t read all of the answers but I can say that if I were living in the country alone with a handicapped woman as my only companion, I would have a shotgun (at least). It would be locked in a gun safe and I’d have the only key (or combination) on my person at all times but I’d definitely have one.
I always have dogs but they aren’t the noisiest or most protective breeds. In your case, I’d still have my favorite breeds but would also get a big, noisy one.
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Where in Canada do you live?
What percentile is black?
What percentile is illegal Hispanic?[/QUOTE]
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
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Hispanics must be illegal to pose a threat. Blacks are threats, no matter what.
Good to know.[/QUOTE]
Unbelievable isn’t it? And that same person will claim there is no racism in this country. Nothing to see…move along.
[QUOTE=mp;7786478]
Hispanics must be illegal to pose a threat. Blacks are threats, no matter what.
Good to know.[/QUOTE]
A clever reply, but clever does not equal informed.
All you need to do is look up the crime statistics.
No, not all blacks are threats. But the percentage involved in crime is huge.
Even the decent blacks admit it.
I eat in one of the best places in town twice a week. Most of the staff is Hispanic. Nicest most polite people you will ever meet.
However they are legal. The statistics in our jails show the difference.
I asked the lady in Canada a question. If you know the answers, feel free to educate us.
I certainly have no intention of starting a argument or even a discussion on race.
The lady in Canada indicated that there is some difference in our two countries.
I suspect that persons living along the southern border with Mexico or those living in Detroit could explain to her why they want to keep a gun close to them.
There is a difference according to where you live and the makeup of the residents.
That said, there is no area in the US where one can ignore the need to take precautions.
And anyone who lives in the country and owns barns, outbuildings, property easily stolen is a potential target. That does not mean be afraid…it means be smart and alert.
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A clever reply, but clever does not equal informed.
All you need to do is look up the crime statistics.
No, not all blacks are threats. But the percentage involved in crime is huge.
Even the decent blacks admit it.
I eat in one of the best places in town twice a week. Most of the staff is Hispanic. Nicest most polite people you will ever meet.
However they are legal. The statistics in our jails show the difference.
I asked the lady in Canada a question. If you know the answers, feel free to educate us.[/QUOTE]
There really isnt any limit on the outer reaches of ignorance or stupidity, is there… 
[QUOTE=cssutton;7786534]
A clever reply, but clever does not equal informed.
All you need to do is look up the crime statistics.
No, not all blacks are threats. But the percentage involved in crime is huge.
Even the decent blacks admit it.
I eat in one of the best places in town twice a week. Most of the staff is Hispanic. Nicest most polite people you will ever meet.
However they are legal. The statistics in our jails show the difference.
I asked the lady in Canada a question. If you know the answers, feel free to educate us.
I certainly have no intention of starting a argument or even a discussion on race.
The lady in Canada indicated that there is some difference in our two countries.
I suspect that persons living along the southern border with Mexico or those living in Detroit could explain to her why they want to keep a gun close to them.
There is a difference according to where you live and the makeup of the residents.
That said, there is no area in the US where one can ignore the need to take precautions.
And anyone who lives in the country and owns barns, outbuildings, property easily stolen is a potential target. That does not mean be afraid…it means be smart and alert.[/QUOTE]
Please … stop. You are an embarrassment.
I live in the country. Whites, blacks and Hispanics (legal and illegal) live in the surrounding area. I take prudent precautions against anyone who would steal our property or cause us harm, which makes me smart and alert.
What I am NOT is a bigot.
cssutton you just derailed what was a good thread.
Since we have made about all of the possible sensible suggestions OP can consider and now that we have attracted the trolls, the smart asses that intentionally misread the intent of the thread and other assorted social misfits, I will no longer read and therefore will not be able to reply to future posts.
Our place lights up like Christmas with motion lights on the end of the barn and the cabin (our old house).
I have two spotlight floods on each of the four corners of the house, they are all on the same switch- one switch and BAM it’s lit up.
We are armed, and you asked, so that’s part of my answer. I am not comfortable with every gun in the house, but the shotgun and the 22 target pistol I can manage without thinking.
If a complete stranger rolled up on me alone in the situation you described? I’d call 911 and my neighbor who is closest to me, grab a gun and vanish into the woods, armed, hide & wait. We are snugged down in a wad of trees, I can easily hide.
There is nothing inanimate that I own that cannot be replaced, I’m not going to try to Rambo some meth head (no matter his color - or hers).
Now if they go to loading horses? I’m going to shoot the minute that looks like a possible motive for being there. Everything else? pft. Take it.
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