Yes, Im to stooopid to have u untelligunt disgustion with you
Shame really, I think if most people took the time to work together instead of making remarks all the time something could actually be done to help the livestock in this country from abuse. Instead all kinds of snide remarks are made while people stuff themselves with meat and complain others are eating animals they don’t like to eat. The cycle goes on deacde after decade and nothing changes.
I think that when slaughter is banned it will merely be a starting point for our country to start looking for answers to the unwanted horse problem. It will not be a cure, it will not stop abuse. Hopefully what it will be is a stop to that particular form of abuse and cruelty. You have got to start somewhere and this is somewhere to begin.
Hmmm…should I be sad? I will not call you names, county, but I do hope you go away.
You know I try really hard not to get involved in slaughter discussions. There is nothing that anyone can post here that will get me to change my mind. I am on the front lines, I have made my own decision. That said, I LOVE the title of this thread! It makes my day everytime I see it bumped up near the top. I love that it says in big letters “When slaughter is banned…” not if!
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Why would I go away? As long as people post to me, make snide remarks, or slam pro slaughter people I won’t be going anywhere.
Yes this law…
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Let me make myself perfectly clear.
Pro-slaughter people justify slaughter because it is a solution to abuse. “What about all of the horses that will be abused? Slaughter is saving them all from their misery?” Or some bullshite.
My response was that horses are being abused in the slaughter system. Therefore, the notion that slaughter is a solution to abuse is ludicrous.
I never imagined banning slaughter would be the solution to abuse. In fact, I said just awhile ago that horse abuse is a distinct and separate issue.
The only salient point I’ve heard you make is that you don’t want the laws crammed down your throat. Fine then. Bully for you.[/QUOTE]
And the many of our freedoms that we take for granted will follow! Give them an inch…
You need to educate yourself
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And the many of our freedoms that we take for granted will follow! Give them an inch…[/QUOTE]
Name 'em Sannois. Contribute something.:rolleyes:
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You are describing animal abuse and all 50 states have laws pertaining to handling horse abuse. Slaughter houses are not the regulating entity to ‘easing’ abuse in any fashion or form.
Sorry but the law says the owner only has to supply ADEQUATE FOOD, WATER AND SHELTER nothing about vet care, farrier, or feed because grass is adequate food. It is not abuse according to the law.
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[QUOTE=SuperSTB;1877112]You are describing animal abuse and all 50 states have laws pertaining to handling horse abuse. Slaughter houses are not the regulating entity to ‘easing’ abuse in any fashion or form.
Sorry but the law says the owner only has to supply ADEQUATE FOOD, WATER AND SHELTER nothing about vet care, farrier, or feed because grass is adequate food. It is not abuse according to the law.[/QUOTE]
Someone needs to tell that to the Houston ASPCA. I watch the show and they pick up horses with warrants all the time for horses that havn’t received proper nutrition and vet care. Sometimes they are in fields but the grass isn’t enough. If a horse needs his teeth floated he will not hold weight and can starve to death in a sea of grass!
I believe abuse laws are state laws and so depend on where you are.
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They’ve taken several miles of it already. Ever heard of the Patriot Act? Now there’s a scary thing. If you think you’re walking around with your personal freedoms unencumbered – well – consider this your wakeup call.
You know equine Laundry…
Your attitude is sad… and rude. I have stated a long time ago on many threads how I feel, I cant see the point of rehashing over and over the same tired comments about slaughter, unfortunatly the same cant be said for the Anti’s. Talk about beating a dead horse… Pun intended! 
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Sorry but the law says the owner only has to supply ADEQUATE FOOD, WATER AND SHELTER nothing about vet care, farrier, or feed because grass is adequate food. It is not abuse according to the law.[/QUOTE]
I don’t understand the objective in stating this fact?
Slaughter does nothing to regulate, curb, prevent, or even deter any form of equine abuse. If it did you would see some sort of correlation in the statistics drawn somewhere along the lines of head slaughtered vs. new foal crops vs. export vs. neglect cases, (any or all).
But there is none.
The individual state laws defining what is considered abuse or not- does vary and that is a seperate issue all together.
I can not see this as a personal rights violation in any aspect. A claimed right that most are ‘trying to protect’ in that such a miniscule amount of horse owners ever have or will ever exercise and that’s bringing your horses TO THE slaughter house directly for disposal.
This bill in no way shape or form telling you, you cannot bring your unwanted horse to auction. Whether your horse is in ‘saleable’ condition is a whole other subject…
And tell me that most of the pro-slaughter camp believes that if their horse needs to be euthanized it is in all best interests to haul that animal- put it through an auction- have a kill buyer pick it up- ship it to a feedlot or their holding pens- then ship it to a slaughter house before it is euthanized. Even if the trip was picture perfect- you tell me that a horse that should have been euthanized deserved to go through that ENTIRE process that certainly lasts more than 48 hrs.
No, it’s about sqeezing the last buck out of a animal becuase you can and don’t care.
No actually its not. For some people its about how they make their living. A legal one at that.
Ya know what I’m having trouble with? The idea that horse slaughter in this country exists only because of the demand for horsemeat overseas.
That doesn’t make any sense to me. Wouldn’t that mean that someone in France or Japan said “let’s see… hmmm… the United States has a lot of horses, they aren’t slaughtering any now, but I bet if we put up a slaughterhouse, they’d start… you know the old saying, if you build it, they will come”. And then they came over here and built a plant and a feedlot… and waited… and waited. And the horses started to trickle in as soon as the word got around. It was a big gamble on their part, but it worked!
Doesn’t make any sense. When did we start exporting horsemeat? How does that correlate to the number of horses slaughtered?
After a little searching I am unable to find any “across the board” legislation banning the sale of dogs for food in some states. It appears that laws prohibiting the sale of dogs for consumption are state by state.
Hypothetically speaking- If you found that your neighbor was raising dogs for sale as food would it be considered “just making a living”? Technically it appears that the scenario is a possibility in some states. Is there a line where “just making a living” crosses into being culturally and ethically reprehensible?
After reading the “Percheron” rescue thread I don’t see how anyone can still justify the transportation and treatment (or lack thereof) of these animals to make a couple dollars. Dead and dying horses cannot and should not be shrugged off as “just trying to make a living”.
When I lived in NJ one of our neighbors was a soldier in a crime family. I suppose this can also be excused as merely making a living. (He is actually now at Rahway for an extended stay I believe).
Horses being eaten in the U.S. is hardly a new thing its been done pretty much since there were horses here. Up to the 60’s was very common especially in the SW in the poorer communities.
Someone selling dogs for food. I’d have no problem with it any more then if someone prefers beef.
And theres still people mixing up abuse and slaughter there two differant things.
Honest
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Your attitude is sad… and rude. I have stated a long time ago on many threads how I feel, I cant see the point of rehashing over and over the same tired comments about slaughter, unfortunatly the same cant be said for the Anti’s. Talk about beating a dead horse… Pun intended! [/QUOTE]
No ma’am, your attitude is sad. And what’s even sadder is that you have posted time and time again on these slaughter threads but you have never ever offered ANY suggestions besides voting against the bills so personal rights won’t be trampled on. :rolleyes: Reminds me of people who only go to polls for race or guns.
Many “anti’s” have offered up solutions and suggestions for both their communities and states, along with supporting the federal ban. What are your suggestions? J Swan has offered up many excellent points although they don’t all pertain to horses. County has a soft spot for livestock but he has also yet to offer any suggestions.
I might have missed your answer as these threads go on & on but I’ll ask again as I do on all the threads you post on in regards to this subject…what are your suggestions?
