Does anyone have a recommendation of a catalog or online store that might have a really good price on Strongid C 2x? I’ve got two horses on it, one who’s on the PreventiCare program and one who’s not, so I only have to buy every other bucket direct from my vet.
I get it from the vet for $43, and I can get it a couple bucks cheaper from Valley Vet (with shipping factored in). Any other suggestions?
Strongid 2x is concentrated Strongid C-----Equi Aid CW from various catalogs is the same thing + cheaper as stated----BUT the cheapest way is thru a catalog that sell it in 50 lb. bags. (I will have to check for the name + # of the catalog–email if you need it)
I know the point you are making, but I don’t think it’s all that black & white. And yes, I do understand that pharmaceuticals have a certain markup that relates a lot more to the overhead of running a practice.
Yes, people who have a certain (average) knowledge level should absolutely manage a lot more of their horse’s care through the direct supervision of their vet. Others, however, have a good working relationship with their vet, and their vet understands that this person is perfectly capable of managing certain aspects of the horse’s care and both parties are comfortable with this.
It seems unfair to assume that everyone who is buying wormer and vaccines, does so without their vet’s knowledge, understanding and blessing.
I run a business: Plumsted Eq Ctr Inc, and I have farm insurance, and it also carries medical for a customer/vet/farrier who may get hurt while on the property. Each client is required to have insurance on their horse. In addition my policy doesn’t allow me to treat my animals or my clients animals. My veterinarian comes out 4 times a year for vaccinations (broodmares, fall,spring, and extra rhino since we show) and he writes me a prescription so we are covered on
the preventative care program and I can administer the Strongid C. Also, if they colic he is called immediately, I don’t even administer banamine. HE WOULD KILL ME! I have only had 4 colics total on 11 horses in 7 years, but I do run an individual care program. Our farm does not mind paying the vet extra for anything, without him we would not be happy.
Are competitors (or trainers) really administering Ketamine to their horses prior to competition or is that a typo? Ketamine is an anesthetic agent with some not very pleasant side effects (nightmares) in humans. I can’t imagine that it would improve a horse’s performance.
Arcaros use to pay shipping on anything over 50$
That is where I purchase our Next Level, not only is it the cheapest I have found, but the shipping is paid to boot. www.arcaros.com
I have not tried them for Strongid-C prices. I live so close to State Line.
[This message has been edited by Bumpkin (edited 12-10-2000).]
as quoted from Cathy:
“Again, it is not your “insurance” that comes out at any given time for emergencies; it is your veterinarian ! Think about it.”
You make it sound as if as the veterinarian that is supplying me with these supplements, you would not be charging for the farm call in the case of an emergency? I’m thinking not.
I think the Preventicare program has merits, but someone is still paying the vet for the emergency and surgical and after care of the animal. It is “insurance” tied to the use of a specific product, am I correct?
DMK, I think you are correct in protecting beyond colic. And whether or not I choose to purchase daily pharmaceuticals from my local vet or not should not factor their level of interest in my animal. Especially if it is an emergency.
You run a business, and you have to protect yourself, and do your best for the people whose horses you are responsible for. However, during the period of time that my TB was gas colicing once or twice a week, for several months, if I had been forced to have my vet administer banamine (one shot was all it took to get her through her episode) every time she coliced, I would have had to seriously consider putting her down. I could not have born the cost of the emergency calls, on top of the banamine.
Banamine is certainly something that the barn owners or I can easily administer. We always contacted the vet, and got permission, but we would never have dreamed of making him do the actual shot himself. What if he had gotton a call of a more serious nature, while he was tied up doing that shot?
Promise’s colic is now under control. She has not had an episode in almost two years, well, except for the time she got into a grass paddock, when she had been in a dry paddock all summer.(By the way, the vet was called immediately in that instance, and did come out, with no arguement from me) Strongid C was one of the things that we used to get her stabilized. However, if we had not had a vet that we could work with, she might not be here today.
I trust and admire my vet. However, I expect him to accept the fact that I am a knowledgeable horse owner, who can make some decisions on my own, and who knows, also, when I am out of my depth and need him to help.
[This message was edited by LOUISE on Dec. 25, 2000 at 03:29 PM.]
Ketaprofen not Ketamine. My mind was in the cat world.
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Strongid 2x is concentrated Strongid C-----Equi Aid CW from various catalogs is the same thing + cheaper as stated----BUT the cheapest way is thru a catalog that sell it in 50 lb. bags. (I will have to check for the name + # of the catalog–email if you need it)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jeffers sells both Equi-Aid and Strongid in 400 day (50 lb) sizes (as well as the smaller size). I believe American Vet Supply also sells both, but for those of us in the Southeast, Jeffers shipping is probably cheaper.
Have any of you been called out to treat an acute, severe reaction to a wormer ? I have. And for those of you smart-alics: yes the owners bought them and administered them themselves.
Regarding the whole Strongid issue, let me explain exactly what Pfizer did to us. When they introduced the new Strongid/Preventicare Program, they promised that the wormer would never be sold through catalogues or be found in any type of retail stores. What fools we were to hold seminars and take the time to educate our clients on this wonder drug. About 2yrs. later, at a National Small Animal Convention, a colleague introduced himself at the Pfizer booth. When asked, “How much do you use?”,he replied,"About
10,000 pails/month. Ends up that he is the supplier for a lot of the PetSmart stores.
So, maybe soon a small animal vet from PetSmart will treat your colics, and I’m sure that they would not overlook any possible underlying cause, (ie ulcers).
The whole idea behind Preventicare is to establish a rapport with each patient, and to possibly make a suggestion to a client regarding another health issue that might’ve otherwise gone un-noticed. In this day of mail order vaccines; meds; and ‘dentists’, all we get left with are the clinical signs that nobody else thought were important, when they first noticed them, (if they ever did,. By that time. we’ve got ourselves a mess. That is the only reason that we continue to carry the stuff; sometimes it is our only chance to see a given horse for a long time. And, since I don’t get a ‘truckload’ volume discount, I have to charge a little more than the catalogues. If you interpret that as meaning that I am all about money, you’re way off ! Furthermore, I don’t sell it for a whole lot more than the numbers that you are all talking about, which makes you insinuations about ‘money’ even more out of line.
By the way, seems odd that if Strongid is so wonderful, why do you have to supplement it with Ivermection ?
Can any of you say “Quest” /
Also, MD’s get huge "perks"for writing large numbers of RX’s for certain drugs: trips, cameras,etc.; and, of course, lots of free samples.
My insurance dictates that I CAN NOT administer meds, I don’t know of anyones policy that does.
What I can say is in your situation Louise either your barn is very affordably due to lack of prper insurance, or the owner does not mind if you sue them later if something goes awry. I can’t take that risk. I did incorporate so if anything would/should happen in the future the company would be sued, not me personally. I spend ALOT of money on my insurance policy, and banamine is not always the right trick for every colic. I never play vet, I do what I have to do until the vet arrives, but if I ever made the wrong decision my horse business would no longer be here, I would be sued I am sure and it isn’t worth that. My vet is very close, if a horse would/should have a history, he does cut me a break. An example is in breeding season when we need many ultrasounds, he doesn’t charge a call charge. SInce our vet is here alot making money on many things, he isn’t the type to rake us over the calls in an emergency situation we can not prevent. Each farm is different though, and I guess? you are lucky to be able to do what you want? I however would never allow a client/amateur to make a veterinary decision in my barn.
ketaprofin sounds better. Ketamine WOULD make for an interesting jumper round!!!
Quite true about medications administered before showing. Obviously, they are not administered by vets!
As for the banamine and colic situation, I’m with Louise on this one - I have an old pony who gets a mild case of colic a couple times a year, inevitably at 5 pm. I always give the vet the option of coming out or letting me try banamine first. This is how conversations between me and the vet went…
Me - pony’s colicing
Vet - of course…
Me - your call… do you want to come out now and do your thing, or do you want me to give him a shot of banamine and you just may need to come out here in the middle of the night when it wears off?
Vet - give him the shot…
Me - I don’t want any complaints if you need to come out here at 1 am… you had your chance for a visit at a decent hour…
Vet - give him the damn shot
Me - OK…
But, my vet knows that I pretty much know what is a mild case of colic versus a more severe case, and I can be relied on to go back out there during the night to check on that pony after the effects of the banamine have worn off, and to call him ASAP if there is ANY signs of colic or even mild discomfort.
Strongid C and CW are made by the same company so look for the least expensive one. Pfizer makes both products.
PS to “Sleepy” from the “greedy and money grubbing” veterinarian. You may want to read Oct 31, 2000; Subject: “Strongid C ? Question.”, and try to form and educated conclusion, rather than one based soley on economics.
I have to admit, Jane, that I don’t know what kind of insurance my barn owner has, though I do know she does have insurance. One big difference, she does not have lesson horses, which, I believe, puts her in a different catagory.
Maybe the difference we are seeing is that we are looking at things from different ends of the spectrum. You generally deal with a more upper-end clientele. I am strictly lower-end, lol. My horses are, realistically, worth more as dog food than they are alive (though to me they are priceless). They are definately not insurable. My barn owner will not have a boarder who cannot give shots, take temps, take pulse and respiration, and who doesn’t know the healthy vitals of her animals. If they don’t know when they come in, they are expected to learn.
As I said before, I can certainly see where you are coming from, and, if I were in your shoes, would probably do the same. I have certainly always had a great deal of respect for you and the way that you do business. I just feel that I could not deal with not being allowed to make my own decisions, in many instances. Luckily, I seem to be right where I need to be for my peace of mind.
Can we agree to disagree? 
Does anyone have a recommendation of a catalog or online store that might have a really good price on Strongid C 2x? I’ve got two horses on it, one who’s on the PreventiCare program and one who’s not, so I only have to buy every other bucket direct from my vet.
I get it from the vet for $43, and I can get it a couple bucks cheaper from Valley Vet (with shipping factored in). Any other suggestions?
Tractor Supply sells Strongid C 2X for $30 a bucket.
I have educated myself about Strongid C and have chosen to keep my horses on the rotational wormers that have served me and them well for many years. I personally think the Strongid system is too risky and too expensive. For the pasture horses being fed together I could not guarantee the dosage levels they were getting, even if I were to stand there and monitor feeding time, since they tend to switch back and forth between feeding stations. And I certainly couldn’t trust anyone else to feed when I am out of town.
I understand what you are saying, Cathy, but it just came across the way my old hairdresser did, when he insisted the salon brands I bought at Pharmor weren’t the same as the identical products he sold for twice the price.
I do see your point also, what I am asking you is to check on what her insurance is? I am shocked not that you want to perform the duties you do, but that the barn owner holding a policy CAN ALLOW you to, and be within her guidelines her policy sets out. I also do not have lesson insurance or clinic or shows. I have the farm insured for training, CCC, the farm equpiment, the farm itself and a liability insurance for the barn (which is where her cost is less, as I do mine at 50,000 per horse). I just wondered Louise if the rules vary from state to state?
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