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Where to find a Non QH Appaloosa?

Sport Horse Breeding
#41

I’ve been eying her too… She really is lovely… and close to me. But… I ended up with my guy instead. If I only had the money for another one…

But if y’all want to chip in and buy her for me… I’d be glad to show and promote her :wink: hee hee…

Ps… Fleck is 3/8 TB and I LOVE that cross… And he was very much a “halter horse” breeding as far as the farm he came from. He’s been running training level eventing and we’re about to move up to prelim eventing and we just did our first two weekends of second level dressage at schooling shows. Granted, it was just a schooling show and we didn’t break 60, but two 55.somethigns and two 57.somethings… I’ll take for now :slight_smile: I do love that cross :slight_smile:

#42

:smiley: If I can have her for half the year :wink:

#43

Beentheredonethat, I agree pretty much with everything you say. From what I am seeing, the Appaloosa sporthorse industry is NOT breeding hunters. That is fine, and the Appy sporthorses are magnificent, but many don’t seem to know the difference. I sure see a lot of sporthorses being advertized as hunter prospects.

The sporthorse type of a good mover is not the same as a hunter good mover. For example, the filly in the video may make a great sporthorse, but is definitely not a hunter prospect. And she is not being advertized as such.

I am sure my horse looks on the forehand to dressage folks. They have a completely different style now, going more and more to the extravagant front ends. My horse moves under saddle very much like he moves in the pasture, and does really not need much at all to get balanced for a hunter course.

My main point is that breeders should focus on a discipline, and not send Apps out into the hunter ring where they are not going to fit in and do well. That just contributes to the fact that the hunter/jumper forum gets all those “why didn’t my horse place better in his hunter class” and “hunters is all politics” posts. The best ambassador for the breed is one that can go out and win.

#44

[QUOTE=bdj;5770712]
Oh no, DDB - was that Twister? I’ve “watched” him grow up on your site and always thought that he was a really nice looking colt![/QUOTE]
It was Twister that we lost. It was so tragic. He had been at the trainers for a month and doing very well. Horses can really break your heart sometimes.

#45

[QUOTE=ToTheNines;5772289]
Excellent post sportnhorse. I love the breed, and I can understand the desire to breed magnificent spotted horses. But it is not fair to the horses to breed them without a market, and people want to buy for specific disciplines.

Sorry, but a loud high stepping appy is not going to win hunter classes. I cannot speak as well to the other disciplines, maybe the loud ones will do better in dressage or eventing. Breeders, if you are hoping to sell hunters, I agree with sportnhorse, that the TB blood gives them the look and movement they need.

I have three hunter type appies, all registered ApHC, that have the look and movement to perform as hunters AND the appy personality we all love. However, they all have quite a bit of TB.

My older one has a very Andelusian head (from his App heritage), which I adore the look of. Not a big head, but gives him a very wise look that judges seem to love (at least at open h/j shows where he does not have to suffer the stupidity of QH judges). He is an excellent mover, and wins over fancy warmbloods at open shows. He is definitely Appy, and no one would mistake him for either a TB or a QH, but he was bred for hunters.

Here he is on the flat at an ApHC show (the chestnut):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzRRdiIosw4

And over fences, unfortunately, with the inept stupid QH judges they use at ApHC show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU2nHas6lvA

I also think the ApHC is not doing the breed any great service, but I do love the TB blood in the Apps, and they do well in the ApHC hunter classes.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but I agree with the inept stupid QH judges. The bay had a better rider who was able to present the horse in a much superior way. The chestnut is pretty but had a round with some issues many of which could be fixed by getting the rider some equitation lessons. Don’t take that personally as I don’t know ANY of the horses or riders but for heaven’s sake heels DOWN, shoulders BACK, look in the direction of travel, etc. etc. Neither are what I’d consider a great hunter for open shows but for a stock horse show they are both pretty good. At least they are moving forward.

My old appy was all foundation blood (way back some unknown and a Knab even) and he wasn’t a raving beauty but he could move like a dream and was a great hunter and jumper both in App and open company. Course now he’d be WAY too forward moving for an open show. Last big hunter class I saw at an A show they were going so slow I thought I’d been dropped back into QH land!

#46

summerhorse, no problem! Just wanted to show an example of an App hunter type that has the look and movement to compete as a hunter. The bay does very well too, but she does not look very Appy-like to me. I would love to see pictures of your hunter too.

I really did not expect a critique of the rider’s equitation (I believe the protocol is to not critique the rider unless asked), but I do need to remember how subjective hunters can be, and will edit my post to remove the “inept judges” part! Actually, I took the videos off, and will find some with me riding and you can have it!!!

#47

Years ago I had the pleaseure to ride a beautiful Appaloosa - 16+ hands, black and white, sweet tempered, etc…

Name was Chico’s Pop. No idea if he’s still around but he throws lovely foals. My resultant foal is now in Europe and doing well.

Maybe Google him?

#48

Another FOUNDATION-Bred Appaloosa! LOL!

[QUOTE=Valentina_32926;5778450]
Years ago I had the pleaseure to ride a beautiful Appaloosa - 16+ hands, black and white, sweet tempered, etc…

Name was Chico’s Pop. No idea if he’s still around but he throws lovely foals. My resultant foal is now in Europe and doing well.

Maybe Google him?[/QUOTE]

Here’s what is listed as his pedigree on allbreed:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/chicos+pop

Very foundation bred with some TB thrown in there! :eek:

#49

[QUOTE=ToTheNines;5777670]
summerhorse, no problem! Just wanted to show an example of an App hunter type that has the look and movement to compete as a hunter. The bay does very well too, but she does not look very Appy-like to me. I would love to see pictures of your hunter too.

I really did not expect a critique of the rider’s equitation (I believe the protocol is to not critique the rider unless asked), but I do need to remember how subjective hunters can be, and will edit my post to remove the “inept judges” part! Actually, I took the videos off, and will find some with me riding and you can have it!!![/QUOTE]

Here is my old boy. Like I said, not a raving beauty, but a wonderful mover (too bad no video). Actually he has 2 albums! http://pets.webshots.com/album/207159798YaaxAu

Normally I wouldn’t have commented on the rider but the equitation seems to be having a direct effect on the horse’s round. Lovely horse though and color. Wow! I like the bay too but agree, not real hunter “type”. Just shows how important showmanship or horsemanship is to getting the best ribbon.

#50

Quite a few nice ones here in Oz… I know Belambi who posts on here has a warmblood apploosa program…
www.australiancolouredperformancehorses.com.au

#51

cross breeds, part breds, with spots… can get confusing

[QUOTE=AJC;5782294]
Quite a few nice ones here in Oz… I know Belambi who posts on here has a warmblood apploosa program…
www.australiancolouredperformancehorses.com.au[/QUOTE]

I agree, there are some very nice Appaloosas in Australia. However, strictly speaking, these aren’t Appaloosas per se, they are WB type. I think OP was meaning Appaloosas as opposed to partbreds?

#52

[QUOTE=sportnhorse;5783155]
I agree, there are some very nice Appaloosas in Australia. However, strictly speaking, these aren’t Appaloosas per se, they are WB type. I think OP was meaning Appaloosas as opposed to partbreds?[/QUOTE]

I’m not necessarily looking for an registered Appaloosa. More important is sport horse type rather than stock horse type. The type that would fit into a WB sporthorse program.

I appreciate everyone’s help!

#53

DoDQhere and I have already spoken, but I have an AppxWB filly who was born this year. Sired by a Hanoverian son of Royal Senna (Rubinstein I) with a damline to Wenzel I, and out of a heavily Plaudit bred, leopard dam.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Randelle/DSCN5753.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Randelle/DSCN7043.jpg

She’s HUGE, and might exceed our previous estimations of 16.2. So far it seems that she’s gotten the best of both sides. Lots of height and movement from her sire, and her dams level-headed and clever Appaloosa disposition (plus some fun colour :)). This is only the second WBxApp I’ve met in person, and I must say that I’m a fan. I’m really looking forward to seeing more of them.

#54

Here’s Jerry’s latest school:
http://youtu.be/kG5lscCmNgE

#55

Thanks for mentioning my guys… Just as a brief update… earlier this year we chose to geld Harry… since his foals were not at all the quality that we were expecting. he however is a fantastic gelding and is now based in SA where he is showjumping.

We are very lucky in Australia since we have had a large number of apps make it to FEI level, in all 3 olympic disciplines… as well as Gold medalists in world chapionships in Endurance and very consistant placings… (currently at least 4 appaloosas FEI internationally carded endurance horses)

So much of this is due to the fact that both the Australian appaloosa asociation and the sportaloosas are happy to work outside the box of the app being a western breed. Thankfully the general public are now starting to see this.

Also… we have not really had proper access to knabstruppers untill the past two years. so if you like spots…It had to be app.

Now I am lucky enough topersonally have an appaloosa program, and a knabstrup program also, Mainly encouraged by a large number of posters / articles off coth… roll on 2012 foaling season!!

#56

I agree !!!
IF you want a Sporthorse Prospect , come and breed to a WAP . There are still 4/5 stallions breeding and producing great foals…

#57

Wow. Talk about resurrecting an ancient thread:). We found BJC Asher Seven and liked him so well we bought him!

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