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Just do a search for Wb X. I did but the results would not link properly. There was a lot of these horses going for 3k and under in the ads. There was some for a decent price but they had a proven show record and were still valued way less then their full WB counter parts at the same level.
Full Wb’s with so so pedigrees are not selling very well also. Many are going for around 5k or under and they are decent horses, probably as talented as what the cross is going to bring.
OP, you sound like an intelligent person. But you say that the type of horse your looking for is costing 10-15k as a foal or young horse. Correct? 15k for a foal or weanling buys you a nice horse with potential. I can give you a ton of examples of very solid amateur horses for that price and less that will easily take their owners as far as they have time to go.
BUT you have 5k to put into a foal that may or may not turn out the way you want (please believe this to be true and even the ABS people are not denying that a cross is more random in results). So you think that the 5k foals out there now do not have the talent that you will be able to breed for 5k?
http://www.dreamhorse.com/full_search.php
Put in warmblood X and in age “under 3”. These prices are typical of that type of horse. Doesn’t mean they will not be nice horse or they don’t show potential, just means they do not have a good market value.
I did the same search with ASB’s and the crosses, same thing. The full horses had a much higher value then the crosses. Fair or not, that is the market and I guess people are having a hard time understanding why you want to spend the money to breed that horse when we are seeing that type of horse all around us for much less than it cost us to breed a foal.
http://www.fallclassicsale.com/files/Sale_Results_2013.pdf results from a sale last year…not untypical for the market. If you search, you can find the bloodlines and ages of the results. There was some very decent prices for the well bred horses (19# was a foal and 12# was a nice gelding just started with beautiful movement) and many of the lower priced horses were either horses with another breed in the pedigree or they have average pedigrees and did not show their talent in the two days leading up to the sale. Some of the lower priced horses will probably turn out to be decent horses for their ammy owners. Friend bought one last year 3900, a gelding from frozen semen and he is a doll. Will make a wonderful horse for someone and will have talent to dressage/jumping low level.
THIS is the reason people are telling you to look for a horse for 5k. Because many people are already losing money to breed these horses, they are already out there and the fails are ending up in the auction.[/QUOTE]
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
And TOTALLY agree with the statement that training more important than pedigree. Hard statement for a breeder to make, but it’s true.
OP has said nothing about her experience & ability in that regard, so that is a question mark.
But in the 10+ yrs I’ve been visiting COTH, this sort of question has been posed many,MANY times by folks; “I want to produce a foal I can not afford to buy.”
And consistently the answer has been…“if the mare is your heart horse that you already own and are willing to accept whatever you get, then fine…breeder on. But otherwise you are far better off buying something that is already on the ground. That way you can get exactly what you are looking for.”
I don’t see why the answer this time should be any different.
And especially these days, when we have an abundance of good, sound, willing horses who simply lack training AND horses such as the OP is looking for are readily available for the same or slightly more than she would be spending anyway.
If she was to look at the various horses offered out there, she may find exactly what she is looking for, even if it is not ASB/WB whatever. I mean if she is looking for a good horse, sound, of a particular color, willing, light and sensible and is able to do a particular thing…does it really make a difference if it doesn’t have ASB in it?
We assume she is buying the horse and not it’s ancestors…
And if she insists on a ASB/WB cross regardless of it’s attributes (or lack thereof) in the above categories…well, she’s not buying for a purpose at all.
OK…it’s stopped snowing…COTH away, folks. Same dance, different day…
