[QUOTE=Bayhawk;7422730]
Here’s a thought…this is supposed to be a sport horse breeding forum , not a where can I find a Saddlebred mare forum. No wonder most of the sporthorse peeps are gone off of here. Not trying to be rude…just sayin…[/QUOTE]
Since when are sport horses limited to Warmbloods ? Last time I checked that term and this thread has never specified it was breed specific or limited ?
[QUOTE=RiverOaksFarm;7423056]
This farm bred a Saddlebred mare to Totilas. (Scroll down to the pinto mare.) http://www.lesbeauxchevaux.net/mares.html
Of course this doesn’t help answer the question “where to find a saddlebred broodmare”, but I thought Saddlebred breeders might find it interesting :)[/QUOTE]
To the OP -good luck finding a mare, it sounds like they are out there and some need good homes.
About the mare being bred to Totilas. Of course I could buy a breeding and use it on whatever but that doesn’t make it a dressage horse. Look at the video of the mare and honestly that does not look like a dressage horse to me. She looks like a very nice mare of her breed but not a dressage horse expected to go to UL. So my question is, why bother breeding her to Totilas? Wouldn’t it be better to just breed her to another Saddlebred or Arab so her qualities that make her outstanding in her breed are preserved in her offspring?
And that is not an example of the best use of a Saddlebred. I would rather see it bred to a Morgan for an all around sport horse for an ammy.
I am not being a snob, just thinking that I would never start with my WB mare to try to breed a cutting horse. However, I might find a WB that has a weird ability to do cutting. So many horse out their are breeding experiments that don’t work. Wb’s are not the only horse capable of doing sport so if you are going to use another breed, at least let the other breed bring it’s best qualities to the table without losing them by making a hybrid. And a foal is not an end product in sport.
I said it before…this is a sport horse breeding forum. I go to sporthorse shows all over the world and have never seen a Saddlebred in them.
Still waiting for the examples of “amazing” jumpers or dressage horses coming from ASB mothers.
To the poster who asked why I come to this board. The answer is that I keep hoping that some of the true horsemen and breeders may have returned but I see my effort is futile.
FWIW I think sport is made up of a population triangle and while the middle to the top may not have off breeds, the bottom certainly does. Ammy riders are also spectators, there might not be any QH’s competing at Spruce Meadows, there are a ton of people who own them in the stands. And many kids start off on off breeds before they get to a stage where they need a more competitive horse.
In other words, the “sport” should not be exclusive in it’s attitude. There are some excellent horse people out there that do not own Wb’s.
I know that the American Saddlebred Association has a sport horse incentive program. I also certainly consider ASB’s to be among the breeds I consider a protean.
[QUOTE=fizzyfuzzybuzzy;7423587]
As requested – http://www.psdressage.com/viewarticle.php?id=218[/QUOTE]
Cool ! You found the exception.
[QUOTE=Couture TB;7423324]
OP. Size over 16h will be the problem, BUT with the older lines and bigger boned ones, when you cross them to a stallion with size you usually get larger then the mare.[/QUOTE]
Tell that to my BO who doesn’t have one under 17h…
[QUOTE=Bayhawk;7422730]
Here’s a thought…this is supposed to be a sport horse breeding forum , not a where can I find a Saddlebred mare forum. No wonder most of the sporthorse peeps are gone off of here. Not trying to be rude…just sayin…[/QUOTE]
Well, who died and made YOU the Almighty Judge of what can be posted here??
Sometimes people wanna breed to Saddlebreds because they want to UPGRADE something in the sire. As a ASB and a warmblood owner I can assure you their brains are as different as night and day. But unless you’ve owned or trained ASB, you wouldn’t know that. Now go untwist your panties and whine some more.
BH: If you read the post, she’s looking for an appropriate sport-type mare to cross with a WB. Absolutely the right place 
It is NOT up to you to dictate to us, the common lowly ammie who wants something “pretty” and sensible to ride, what is good. That’s awesome if all your horses can be GP jumpers or dressage horses, but I can’t ride that, nor do I have any interests in trying to.
To the OP… no suggestions, but good luck! I looked at a few Saddlebreds, and would have loved to have seen some WB crossed ones, but it’s not well known around here yet.
Sigh…I realize that this is probably going to open me up to a ridiculous amount of criticism, but good jumper can come from ASB mothers.
This is my guy. By a Hanoverian stallion of out an ASB mare. He is just coming 7 this year and quite frankly more limited by the fact that he is the first horse my adult amateur self has ever started. This fence is about 3’9"
This one 3’6" or so
We’ve never pushed him to see how high he can jump, but he doesn’t really start to jump until the fences get to 3’ or so.
I realize that this may not meet Bayhawk’s standards of a good jumper, but more than one upper level event trainer has remarked on what a good jumper he is and have made comments on how they are surprised a horse as big as he is (17.2) can be so quick with his front end and that he has plenty of scope.
You’re welcome to go through and see many other pictures of us jumping a variety of things and I’m sure you can pick out a couple where he didn’t jump well, but overall I am very pleased with him.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=515544445197816&set=t.1116980909&type=3&theater
Use to be a lot more of them in the US as well. I remember Frank Chapot telling me about them–and I knew a few people who competed some (also in eventing). I could absolutely see the right cross being very sucessful. Of course finding that good mare will be harder. Frank said people often lied about what they were breed wise or just didn’t know or care (just as many do now about a TB). Said they were powerful behind and very very good up front. You had to find the right one who could also reach across the spread but they were often good for the Puissance.
Frank was someone who knew his breeding…but ultimately cared more if the horse left the fences up! And of course he tended to prefer the TB type.
FWIW–I’ve never owned one but have seen a few crosses that were very nice.
We welcome users from all disciplines and breeding interests to post on our site. While the name of this forum is Sport Horse Breeding, any reproduction-related questions are welcome, though obviously our user base is predominantly centered around those interested in sport horse disciplines.
It’s fine to discuss the merits of different breeding/bloodline strategies in obtaining a desired outcome for any pairing, but lets please do so without the snark, etc.
Thanks!
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[QUOTE=Bayhawk;7422730]
Here’s a thought…this is supposed to be a sport horse breeding forum , not a where can I find a Saddlebred mare forum. No wonder most of the sporthorse peeps are gone off of here. Not trying to be rude…just sayin…[/QUOTE]
So it seems being rude comes naturally to you. Congrats on that!
3rd level ASB: http://youtu.be/cytsguWkJgs
2nd level: http://youtu.be/FeygE2wdCkE
Eventing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xSILFLxO7Y
Eventing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpimjy9kZaQ
Dressage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_m0TMOU6Dk
I could go on all day long. Saddlebreds make EXCELLENT sport horses. The “public image” is NOT representative of the majority of the breed.
[QUOTE=Bayhawk;7423459]
I said it before…this is a sport horse breeding forum. I go to sporthorse shows all over the world and have never seen a Saddlebred in them.
Still waiting for the examples of “amazing” jumpers or dressage horses coming from ASB mothers.
To the poster who asked why I come to this board. The answer is that I keep hoping that some of the true horsemen and breeders may have returned but I see my effort is futile.[/QUOTE]
Though ASBs may not be as plentiful in some sporthorse arenas, they are definitely present, especially here in the states…after all, they are an American breed, some would say the original American warmblood…with a couple hundred years of ‘true horsemen and breeders’ behind them.
Early Elegance: WDCTA founding member Lois Aller rides Student Prince at Prix St. Georges at the 1967 Bloomfield Hills Show in Detroit, MI (this photo appeared in the Dec. 2013 issue of Dressage Today)
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq288/cb06_photos/misc1/loisaller_zps07521de6.jpg
Stonewall’s Little General jumping a puissance wall
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq288/cb06_photos/Misc%20photos/stonewallslittlegeneral_zps47540c04.jpg
A saddlebred currently eventing in Texas
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq288/cb06_photos/misc1/eventingasb_zpsa0f15343.jpg
A saddlebred currently showing 4th level licensed shows, Kentucky
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq288/cb06_photos/misc1/604_new_york_city_slicker_at_kda_zpsa1521a8d.jpg
A saddlebred shown through 4th Level licensed shows, perhaps you recognize her rider…Hilda Gurney.
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq288/cb06_photos/misc1/maggie-show_zpse0e64cc2.jpg
The horse in my profile has shown through 4th level, licensed shows, Region 1, with scores in the mid-60’s to low 70’s.
OP, I have long thought the right type of ASB, like the one you are looking for, would make a fabulous cross with a warmblood…A sporty ASB is like an uphill, stylish version of a Tb. I know those types of mares are out there and I know you will find a good one!
ETA:
A warmblood x 1/2 ASB example (so horse is 1/4 ASB):
Sired by Gribaldi x Karysa (dam sire is a full ASB). 1999 gelding, Superman
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.462134840953.242619.323733875953&type=3
Count me in as an ASB fan as well. I do think ASB/WB X would be and can be nice.
Love the superman video! Wow horse for sure!
I have known and ridden a ASB X TB for years and he is a lovely horse. When he was showing we quite regularly was asked what kind of WB he was, for one he is big 17 hh and a lovely mover when in work. Very eager beavers, but oh so sensible. A trail riding fool as well. Now at 20+ he is being a schoolmaster for a woman who had had her confidence knocked out of her by inappropriate horses. She just loves him. The work is great for the old guy, still sound.
OP good luck finding a mare! I had one pass through as a boarder that I liked moving wise, but she was just over 15 hh. You can get color in ASBs as well, she was a chst pinto.
[QUOTE=fizzyfuzzybuzzy;7423303]
Bayhawk – I am looking to make an ammy friendly, hard working dressage horse. I know quite a few who are performing at high levels, and the nice saddlebreds have GREAT brains and will mellow at hot WB temperment without losing the gaits or making them thick/earthbound. I think my post is well within the rules of this board, and if you don’t like this board anymore, why bother posting on my thread?
Thank you to all those who have replied with HELPFUL information.
Couture TB – I will PM you with more info when I get home! Thanks!![/QUOTE]
Just have to say, classy response!
I know of a few Morgans (not Saddlebreds, but the two breeds seem to share some common lineage) who are eventing at the mid and upper levels (yes, advanced level). Not everyone wants a Warmblood - thank goodness there are breeders who are willing to breed a sport horse that might fit an adult ammie’s abilities and budget:winkgrin:
There are a few breeders on this forum who have bred Saddlebred crosses with nice results.
[QUOTE=Dance_To_Oblivion;7423774]
Sigh…I realize that this is probably going to open me up to a ridiculous amount of criticism, but good jumper can come from ASB mothers.
This is my guy. By a Hanoverian stallion of out an ASB mare. He is just coming 7 this year and quite frankly more limited by the fact that he is the first horse my adult amateur self has ever started. This fence is about 3’9"
This one 3’6" or so
We’ve never pushed him to see how high he can jump, but he doesn’t really start to jump until the fences get to 3’ or so.
I realize that this may not meet Bayhawk’s standards of a good jumper, but more than one upper level event trainer has remarked on what a good jumper he is and have made comments on how they are surprised a horse as big as he is (17.2) can be so quick with his front end and that he has plenty of scope.
You’re welcome to go through and see many other pictures of us jumping a variety of things and I’m sure you can pick out a couple where he didn’t jump well, but overall I am very pleased with him.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=515544445197816&set=t.1116980909&type=3&theater
ok, he’s a total piece of trash, obviously can’t jump a lick, must be lame and is too crazy for an ammy rider. I’m sure one of us can be there within the hour and remove him from your barn, ASAP. 
(have fun with him!!!)
[QUOTE=MysticOakRanch;7425518]
Just have to say, classy response!
I know of a few Morgans (not Saddlebreds, but the two breeds seem to share some common lineage) who are eventing at the mid and upper levels (yes, advanced level). Not everyone wants a Warmblood - thank goodness there are breeders who are willing to breed a sport horse that might fit an adult ammie’s abilities and budget:winkgrin:
There are a few breeders on this forum who have bred Saddlebred crosses with nice results.[/QUOTE]
I know people have cited some successful crosses, however you also run the risk of the mind of a WB and the body of the SB. Or anything in-between the two. Wb’s themselves are not always consistent in their genetics. In size and type and to add another type just increases the randomness of the outcome.
For those that are already doing the cross and had success with a horse undersaddle, was there misses also? I just think it would be a hard market for a sale. You spend the same on stud fee as everyone else but you will not see the “benefits” till the horse is under saddle and you prove that it is the ammy mind-WB ability.
Correct me if I am off base. I know there are success stories of crosses but are they the 1 in 8 that worked out or are they the norm from the cross?
I would be more tempted to go with a Morgan cross. Better versatility and more options than a hot big bodied, fine legged offspring that is a potential outcome.
PS I live in an area where there is both WB’s and traditional breeds. Many people have tried the cross and of course their is success stories but there are more put together by committee horses than not.
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