What dressage sires do you think consistently produce offspring that work through the back really well? Horses that swing when they move and are super elastic?
I’d have to put Negro in that group and its looking as if his son Chippendale has that quality too. Chippendale’s new stallion son Everdale has just won the KWPN stallion testing but it looked a forgone conclusion from the half way stage. Judging by the videos they released he was in a class of his own. It helps that Negro has an incredibly active hind leg too and a great temperament. His only negative is that he sometimes throws small.
Love the Freestyle’s, they are really elastic and so is he.
Breitling W.
When I think of elastic I think of the F line. Or even better the F line combined with Landadel. Many of those to choose from.
How many offspring has Breitling W had?
When I think of elastic I think of the F line. Or even better the F line combined with Landadel. Many of those to choose from.
I was thinking that earlier as well. Which is your fav?
SS I am going to check out Negro as I haven’t paid much attention to him (though seems a few people are using him this year).
Negro is really fabulous. I always laugh when I hear that Negro throws small though because we have a Negro son in my barn that is 17.2… He must be a bit of a freak amongst his siblings 
Breitling W is also fabulous, I seriously considered picking him but I was concerned that he hasn’t bred to many mares outside of those owned by the Wittigs. I wanted something more proven on a variety of mares so I would have a better idea of what I’d get. That is definitely something to consider if he makes it on your list.
He hasn’t bred many because he wasn’t really offered on a grand scale until a few years ago; however, his stats are spectacular. Of only a 250 +/- offspring, 15 of his first-year progeny are already competing at Grand Prix (and winning) and there are now subsequent years’ foals now winning in upper levels . Many earn top dollar at sales, he has several stallion sons and a number of top awarded mares. There are not too many competitive accolades he hasn’t achieved himself. His genetic prowess seems to be rather remarkable. In 2009, his FN breeding index was 172. That should speak volumes right there. Hanoverian verband stats show that he improves leg and dressage ability. It is clear when you watch him, he has quite a lot of personality and class - he loves his work, likes the attention from the crowd, the movements are effortless for him and he just glides through all the movements with no fuss making it seem like life is very easy.
He’s getting aged now, so he could be lost at any time. I’m definitely planning on scooping up some of his semen.
Agree with those who said F-line and Freestyle in particular. I’ve seen so many of his offspring and he really stamps them with that elasticity. Fuerst Heinrich as well, but I don’t think he is available in North America.
I’ll add another Freestyle. I have two, and just really loving them. And another bonus is they’re SO personable everyone loves. My two year old is at a roping place and every time I go to see her (every week or some) someone has to remark how wonderful she is. Last time someone stopped me to let me know, if I ever wanted to sell her, she wanted to be first in line.
I give another vote for Freestyle. I have had four of his offspring and all seem to have a major improvement on their dams in regards to elasticity.
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Rodawn - Totally agree, Breitling is an absolutely amazing horse. I love watching him, such a picture of fluidity and grace. He was top on my stallion list for sure. I went another direction since this foal may be my one shot at least in the near future. I would love a Breitling though, I would jump at the chance to breed to him if I ever have a mare that would be a good match.
Another one to think about is Le Rouge. He’s a trakehner by Pret a Porter (Ivernel) out of Lantana, one of the great mares who is a stallion producer. Another of her colts, by Hibiskus, is also graded. He’s called Latin King.
Le Rouge adds fantastic movement, lots of freedom through the shoulders, elasticity and a superb temperament. I’ve got a mare from his first crop and she is simply fabulous. As a 6yo she’s confirmed in all lateral work and flying changes and she’s started passage which is easy, doesn’t need a ground person and huge. She’s also started pirouette work which again she finds very easy. She has thrown in one time changes several times during her training so, fingers crossed, it looks as if she can go all the way. What makes her ability all the more remarkable is that she isn’t being pushed, she’s only ridden three times a week and is schooled by an amateur (me :lol: ) helped occasionally by my instructor. You could not ask for a better horse for an amateur. Heck, most professionals would love to have an easy horse too. I can’t say enough good things about Le Rouge.
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I’d have to put Negro in that group and its looking as if his son Chippendale has that quality too. Chippendale’s new stallion son Everdale has just won the KWPN stallion testing but it looked a forgone conclusion from the half way stage. Judging by the videos they released he was in a class of his own. It helps that Negro has an incredibly active hind leg too and a great temperament. His only negative is that he sometimes throws small.[/QUOTE]
I’d put Negro in the group too, but Chippendale is a son of Lord Leatherdale. Negro is the dam sire of Chippendale. And Everdale is also a son of Lord Leatherdale and out of a Negro dam. Both Negro and Lord Leatherdale are standing at Van Olst’s, and it has proven to be a very good cross.
Oops, you’re right Indy-Lou. My mistake. Van Olsts seem rather excited that Lord Leatherdale x Negro (or the other way round) is a new breeding nick. Certainly Everdale looks fantastic in his videos.
hmh, swing and elasticity: only a horse that has no tension and is loose can swing.
The F line especially Fidertanz habe a way to move that gives the impression that they have swing. But if you look really carefully, you will see that they are NOT loose and hence can not swing. Swing has to do with activity of the back, a horse that is not loose - can not swing. The back is not active. But they are attractively looking due to their tension.
Breitling - hme they on the contrary are loose and can swing, but elasticity ? In my eyes no elastic is a horse that is moving in a sort of bouncy movement, that is why it is called elastic. Breitling himself and his offspring is rideable and loose but this should not be mistaken by Elasticity.
The only stallion that consistantly give swing and elasticity to his offspring (but has certainly other cons) is Wolkentanz I. I have see many many of his offspring, and what is common to all his foals is swing, elasticity and being loose ! And very often very rideable.
Fidertanz habe a way to move that gives the impression that they have swing. But if you look really carefully, you will see that they are NOT loose and hence can not swing.
I will agree on Fidertanz, I have always thought him to be tight looking and it has a few times cut him off my list. I don’t know if he passes it on but that is how he appears under saddle. Some of the other F line boys I really like as they do appear to be elastic movers For Compliment, Furstenball …
Breitling just doesn’t do it for me to be honest…yes a good producer but too old fashioned for my taste.
The only stallion that consistantly give swing and elasticity to his offspring (but has certainly other cons) is Wolkentanz I.
Interesting…would you also say this of Wolkentanz II?
I will look more closely at Le Rouge. Speaking of Trakehners, a stallion that oozes swing and looseness to me is Imperio. Wow, that horse is an amazing mover but I can’t seem to find any frozen :sadsmile:
Video of him in case anyone hasn’t seen him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRg1THlaK04
And my idea of major elasticity!!: (interestingly a Wolkentanz 1 dam):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj2I8l4CjRU&feature=related
I have to say Rotspon for a very elastic, soft, swinging back. I choose to breed him to mares that have more joint action & he adds a looseness to them. That’s one of the reasons he’s turned out to be such a good broodmare producer.
interesting thread.
i was going to say that my mare, by Wolkentanz I has loads and loads of elasticity but it doesn’t automatically mean she swings. It actually took me a while to figure out how to ride her so her back could swing because the elasticity fooled me.
I also agree with those who have suggested Wolkentanz I and Rotspon.
