Who pays registration

[colorfan]

I am wondering what the industry standard is. I’m looking at purchasing a yearling that isn’t been registered yet. The breeder is saying great timing, I can choose the name, she will do all the paperwork but on top of purchase price wants me to pay for the registration.
The registry in question also wants me to join the registry before I register to yearling.

Is this the typical way its done or does the breeder/owner usually pay for the initial registration?
I suppose even if she did I would still pay to have it transferred.

This is a new situation for me. I have bought registered mares and transferred ownership and paid for that.

[Montanas_Girl]

There really is no standard here, though I would expect most breeders to register their foals before the yearling year (if for no other reason than that it’s cheaper then, usually!). I personally pay for the registration, USEF life recording, and applicable transfers of ownership for the foals I breed and sell. That way I know the transfers actually get recorded. Yes, that does usually mean also paying the breed (Arabian) and USEF membership (fan) fees for newbie owners, but I just include that in my cost of doing “business”.

[OverandOnward]

If you have to ask …

[LaurieB]

Different breed (I breed TBs) but I register all our foals with the JC, even the ones I assume will be sold.

[colorfan]

Yes, I do, I have found asking questions a good way to get correct information rather than assuming something.

[trubandloki]

Nothing wrong with asking this question, not sure why someone would imply asking a question is a bad thing.

I have never bought a baby. Everything I have purchased has already been registered.

I paid to join the registry and paid the transfer fees to put the horse into my name.

So, in this case the only additional cost is the initial registration fee. Is that enough of a fee to make this purchase something you do not want to do?

I guess what I am saying is - if you like this horse you have to decide if this extra cost is worth it to buy the horse.

It does seem weird to me that a breeder would wait this long to register their baby.

[quietann]

The breeder really should just register the foal and include the transfer fee as part of the price. I know of no registry that would deny a transfer to a non-member.

I don’t get breeders that don’t register their goals “because it’s too expensive.” If you’re breeding horses and can’t afford to register them, where else are you cutting corners?

[colorfan]

No details necessary but this is one more thing about this particular breeder that is making me go hm. Being told it’s the buyers responsibility to pay for all registration.
Thank you for your help, I think I will pass on this purchase.

[trubandloki]

It would have likely made me feel the same way.

[pony_grandma]

USEF is much more expensive later!

LIFETIME RECORDING (Required for Passports)
□ $35 Birth to December 31st of year foaled.
Age discount requires proof of age (i.e. registration papers).
□ $300 Horses one year of age or older

Note must have registration papers at ready for foal discount.

Hence birth them then fall breed approvals.

[Ghazzu]

Anything I bred was registered before sale.
If I had it to do ovr again, not only would I do that, I’d send in the transfer of ownership as well, after having a few out there still in my name years later.

[Jarpur]

I always registered and sent in the transfer of ownership myself. I wanted to make sure that it was done, properly and in a timely fashion.

[SummerRose]

I’m buying a mare now (a lovely gray Arabian!) whose papers were signed by the original owners for transfer in 2015, at least two owners ago. I’ll be happy to have her either way, but I wonder if the registry will even transfer ownership when the first seller signed 8 years ago and there’s been no record of transfer since.

Re: the OP, most breeders register their foals then transfer the papers to the new owners. But people can work out whatever deals they want. I don’t know if I’d be comfortable buying a horse from breeders who seem so disorganized or unprofessional (IMO) if I wanted a registered horse, but it’s up to the buyer to decide if it’s worth the expense (and possible risk that the breeders disorganization spills over into the actual breeding records).

[Montanas_Girl]

@SummerRose

I’m buying a mare now (a lovely gray Arabian!) whose papers were signed by the original owners for transfer in 2015, at least two owners ago. I’ll be happy to have her either way, but I wonder if the registry will even transfer ownership when the first seller signed 8 years ago and there’s been no record of transfer since.

Assuming there is no other person’s name listed on the signed papers as “buyer”, AHA should transfer them. It’ll cost $50 if you are a member, $100 if you’re not. If someone else signed the “buyer” line but never submitted the paperwork, you have more hoops to jump through (and fees to pay).

[Ghazzu]

If she’s still in their name, ask them to apply for a set of duplicate registration papers and then you can transfer her registration to your name.
I suspect if you offer to pay the cost, they’ll be willing.

[SummerRose]

Only the original owners signed the papers so it would be great if I can just have her transferred directly to me. But even if there are a few more hoops to jump through, I’ll probably try.

I don’t plan to breed her but it would be nice to have her registered anyway, just in case I decide to show or sell her later.

Thanks, @Montanas_Girl and @Ghazzu!

[Libby2563]

@SummerRose

Only the original owners signed the papers so it would be great if I can just have her transferred directly to me. But even if there are a few more hoops to jump through, I’ll probably try.

Not AHA but I had to do something similar with WPCSA a few years ago and it did all work out!

[SummerRose]

Not to hijack the thread … (as I hijack the thread)

But my sort-of registered mare arrived yesterday! Desperately in need of a bath, but she seems to be a total sweetheart and she settled right in to the new farm.

I’ll send the papers in for the transfer tomorrow and we’ll see if they are accepted as-is or if I have to track down the last recorded owner for a new signature. In the meantime, I’m happy to have her, whether she is registered or not!

And to keep it somewhat related to the OP, I’m annoyed that the interim owners didn’t keep up with the registration transfers. If I was buying her to breed or to show at recognized shows, the extra cost of registration would have been a factor and I would have wanted to make absolutely sure that she was registerable before buying her. But since she’s a very nice horse and I don’t care whether she is registered or not (though I’d rather she is), I’m willing to buy her with iffy and slightly more expensive transfer costs.

[MsM]

My horse had messed up registration. Previous owner had to do some detective work to sort it all out. He was sold as a weanling or yearling from breeder to buyer 1 but no transfer recorded. He was there for a few years and then went to dealer and then owner I bought from. She had to submit hair for DNA and contact the original breeder. Breeder was a little difficult until registry told her to cooperate. Happily, when I got him he was properly registered and I only had to do the transfer.

[Ghazzu]

She’s lovely! What’s her registered name?