Who?

[meupatdoes]

[QUOTE=Midge;8896335]
Is it a horse problem or a rider problem?

If it’s a horse problem, is he stopping? Unsound? Not scopey enough? Missing lead changes? Not rateable? Too much on the forehand? Pulling? Behind the bit? hitting the jumps? Not tight with his front end?

If it’s a rider problem, is it mental or physical? Are you afraid? Lack confidence? Unfit? Poor vision? Can’t see the jumps? Don’t now how to put your horse on the outside rein? Pull to the chip? Kick to the long weak one? Hitting your horse in the mouth?

Without knowing more about the problem, there can be no solution offered. Based on the fact that you picked up your toys and went home at the first sign of someone wanting to offer you help tailored to your needs if you’d just answer a couple more questions, I diagnose the problem as you not giving your horse a chance to be a good horse and expecting him to answer your questions without giving him all the info.

Every day, ride the horse you have, not the horse you want, or the horse you expect.[/QUOTE]

Who would you recommend for a horse problem?
Who would you recommend for a stopping horse?
Would it be different from the person you would recommend for a missing lead change? What trainer would you recommend specificallt o tighten up a front end?

Who would you recommend for a rider problem? Who would you recommend specifically if OP has trouble with distances vs who specifically to help OP with the outside rein?

You seem to have different trainers in mind for each of these scenarios and I am curious to see who they all are and who you would have recommended depending on how OP answered your questions, vs how you would have answered had she answered differently.

Or were you not actually planning on providing a single name at all after all those questions?

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=vxf111;8895623]
Greg Best[/QUOTE]
I’ve always heard really good things about him.

[meupatdoes]

[QUOTE=alittlegray;8896191]
Why so defensive so fast? I know of/have worked with 3 really good trainers here in VA, all of whom could deal with a problem or diagnose what the problem IS, but they all have different teaching styles. And one is best hands down at figuring out the horse and teaching from that perspective, and another is better at breaking down into minutia for people who need to get it dummy-style, and the third is really best with people who like it short and sweet. Do you see why people are asking for a bit of direction with your question? They are trying to be more helpful to you rather than just throwing out random names of people who are at the top of the industry just now.[/QUOTE]

So tell OP the names of the people and let her know,

Here’s this one, who is particularly good at teaching from the horse’s perspective, and here’s this one who is very good at breaking it down, and here’s this one who is great if you like it short and sweet. There you go OP, now it’s up to you to determine if any of those will work out for you.

What prevents you from just providing the names you know and letting OP figure out who would work best?

I am sure more people than just OP would be interested, since someone in your area might be reading and might go, oh, I had never heard of that person but they sound like they might be an option for me.

So who is the one who is great st breaking it down into minutiae? I am curious.

[leyla25]

Jimmy Toon at JT farm has lots of success with hunters. He finds great horses and his students, including his wife are always in the top ribbons.
Frank Madden might be a good clinician but he is not a well known hunter trainer more of an eq. trainer. His students love him.
Scott Stewart is a great trainer and rider as well.

[Midge]

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;8896790]

Or were you not actually planning on providing a single name at all after all those questions?[/QUOTE]

Mmmeeeoww!!! Although I get that you remain all hurt over your little experience, here you are carrying over into what, two different threads recently, and it was years ago. When are you going to get over the fact that you didn’t get your question answered on an internet BB?

Bill Garvey
Geoff Teall
Rachel Anderson
Betsy Morret
Rachel Kennedy
Nanci Lindroth
Val Renihan
Linda Faver
John Ainsworth
Jeff Claxton

You’ll note there are non hunter trainers on there because, depending on the problem, a hunter trainer might not be the best choice. Which is why it’s always good to get further info.

And then there are people on this thread that have mentioned trainers someone else told them about. Not that that person had any first hand experience, mind you. So what value is that? And personally, I would shoot myself and my horse before I rode with one of those trainers, so really there is almost no value to asking on BB, if one is already in the know.

[trubandloki]

Wait, no one mentioned George Morris. I am sure he comes to the East Coast from time to time and people do truck in for those clinics.

[StormyDay]

My best advice is to watch WEF or any other big name show and see which trainers have winning riders. This list from the Pessoa show a few days ago may be useful http://ryegate.com/SHOWS/PNHS/Start/57O.pdf

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=jetsmom;8896791]
I’ve always heard really good things about him.[/QUOTE]

Really great problem solver

[lmlacross]

Meup,

Isn’t it it reasonable to expect that someone who comes to an online forum asking for information would be respectful enough of those taking time to answer to ask as specific a question as possible? To share all the information necessary for us to respond both effectively and efficiently? Is it really incumbent upon those who respond to conjure every possible scenario and compose a thoughtful response to each when only one situation/suggestion may actually be relevant? Or, at the very least, isn’t it reasonable to expect that someone inquiring would be acknowledge the need for more information and provide it in order to get a more useful response rather than getting all agitated at the request?

My advice would be to spend a week at WEF, watch horses like yours go, and see which trainers seem to be getting the results you’re looking for. Watch how they teach, then approach them to find out if they’re willing to help you.

[Belmont]

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;8896789]
I would actually be interested to see everyone who asked follow up questions provide one name. Generally on this board, when people ask follow up questions, even if the OP answers them the original follow upper never actually provides a name then. It is my experience from having seen my share of these threads over the yeard that the people who ask “follow up questions” to “tailor their answer” generally have no intention whatsoever of actually providing an answer no matter what the OP says or does.

I once was moving to a large city and didn’t know yet where I wanted to live. So I asked COTH for good trainers in that city so I could follow up with the trainers myself and see which ones might work and possibly decide to live near one of them, and COTHers spent so much time lecturing me that the city was BIG and there was lots of TRAFFIC so they couldn’t possibly provide a relevant answer unless I was more specific that I got literally zero suggestions in two pages.

So I would be interested in everyone who asked follow up qiestions actually providing one name, any name. OP cam do her own research on whether they take trailer ins or whatever she needs from them.

OP, a trainer of mine once told me that Larry Glefke is a savant of a trainer. He happened to help her once or twice with one of her horses and she said he had an amazing eye and got right to the heart of whatever she was doing like no one she had encountered before.

I had this conversation literally ten+ years ago and have no idea if he takes trailer ins or if he even works with the general public, COTH, but all she asked for was a name, so there’s one. OP can find out the rest herself.

See? No “follow up” questions necessary.[/QUOTE]

First page.

There were multiple of us that asked follow up questions AND gave a name. I gave Don Stewart, as did many people, but OP said he was a big name and that wasn’t required.

[APirateLooksAtForty]

I gave two names, no response

[SnicklefritzG]

This is great advice. I’ve learned a lot about trainers just from watching the warmup routine they use for their students and how they act in the warmup and by the ring.

[QUOTE=lmlacross;8896960]

My advice would be to spend a week at WEF, watch horses like yours go, and see which trainers seem to be getting the results you’re looking for. Watch how they teach, then approach them to find out if they’re willing to help you.[/QUOTE]

[Andrew]

William Schaub Over The Hill Farm outside Orlando, FL

[anon510129]

[QUOTE=trubandloki;8896885]
Wait, no one mentioned George Morris. I am sure he comes to the East Coast from time to time and people do truck in for those clinics.[/QUOTE]

The last clinic I did with him, you had to send in a video and be approved.

Sadly I think GM’s days are over where he deals with “problem” horses that aren’t 1.30m+ jumpers or at least a nice children’s hunter.

FWIW, I loved my clinic with him!

[Andrew]

William Schaub Over The Hill Farm outside Orlando, FL

[RiderintheMist]

Hi, I would love to work with you if are in the southeast FL area…I am based out of Palm Beach county. I can travel to your barn or location but I assume you want to work with a local Trainer? Please visit www.ventureequestrian.com. Email, call or text me any time if you want to talk Bonnie Kiefer

[Ridefromtheground]

Sincere thank you to all who provided names. I understand that more info might have been helpful to some, but I just wanted names. I was willing to do the work from there, i.e. budget, distance, personality, etc., as many of the names were familiar to me.
I have learned much from reading this board, so I thought I would give it a try, and I actually did identify someone from my question. So once again thanks to all!