Who's Next..... Isabell Werth suspended for using Fluphenazine

Who is talking about a two years suspension. This is only the maximal sentence she can get. In the case Ulla & Rusty this was the same max sentence hanging above her head. But see what happened in this particular case. Ulla stated that she wasn’t aware that this medication was given to her horse by her vet and she got excused. IW at least admitted that she was aware of what was given to Whisper, but she trusted her vet who told her that no residu would be found after 6 days. She even played safe and started 14 days later instead of 6 days later. The next step will be to put the blame on the vet, the following step will be that the vet will put the blame on the minimal information given by the FEI, the FEI will put the blame on etc…

Believe me YOU could be the next victim of this lame system. Remember Courtney and Mythilus !

Theo

Well at least the FEI should be taking a good hard look at failure of the zero tolerance paradigm, it’s probably too much to hope for that the FN will…

Uh, at what point do competitors just stop using that vet? Just sayin’.

When there is no longer a need for his kind of… um… shall we say, highly specialized services.

that would be grey

LOL

If my vet screwed up he wouldn’t be worrying first about what the FEI or his professional body would do to him :mad::mad::mad::mad::dead::dead::dead:

Why would she?

Does the FEI even have a medications/drugs hotline?:confused:? A member of the German team, would have no reason:no: to go to a foreign NGO, ie. USEF. After all the Germans have the best of everything don’t:lol: they? They hadn’t had any reason to talk to anyone in the US who could clearly point them in the direction of the USEF D&M guidelines.

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If my vet screwed up he wouldn’t be worrying first about what the FEI or his professional body would do to him :mad::mad::mad::mad::dead::dead::dead:[/QUOTE]

Regardless of a vet “screw up”, which we will never be sure actually happened, the bottom line is that the RIDER is responsible for that horse as soon as the entry is sent and the horse is on the show grounds. As has been shown many times in these types of cases, ignorance does not absolve you. If you drug (or allow your horse to be drugged), it is YOUR responsibility to know all the details.

That’s a great theory Ponyfixer but how exactly do i do that in practice?

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That’s a great theory Ponyfixer but how exactly do i do that in practice?[/QUOTE]

It’s not just a theory. That’s how it works. The owner, rider, and trainer are all responsible for knowing the drugs and medications rules if you plan to show. Look them up, read them, and if you have any questions call them. It’s really not that complicated.

None of my vets will quote anything about the rules. I am always told to call the association (ie. USEF) to ask them my questions directly. My vets are aware he/she could get in trouble as well if they misquote something and with how often the rules are changing it’s best to go to the source.

translation?

Is this a translation? , or the original;:confused: I suspect something was lost in the translation/ :yes: interpretation Where is the original text?

be on the safe side we decided to let whisper compete"…(logic is flawed here)
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I don’t live in the US will USET know european medications?
I can study all the rules and regulations in the world but i’m still relying on someone else down the line somewhere. I can research every pharmaceutical on the planet but how will i know how my horse processes every substance? I’n neither a pharmacist or a vet - at some point i’m going to have to ask someone for an opinion and trust them.

?Courteny King?

Isn’t this what happened to Courteny King in hong King? What type of suspension did she get?:confused:

Regardless of a vet “screw up”, which we will never be sure actually happened, the bottom line is that the RIDER is responsible for that horse as soon as the entry is sent and the horse is on the show grounds. As has been shown many times in these types of cases, ignorance does not absolve you. If you drug (or allow your horse to be drugged), it is YOUR responsibility to know all the details. __________

drugging v. medicated

If you drug (or allow your horse to be drugged), it is YOUR responsibility to know all the details. She does not consider the horse to have been drugged:cry:, but, medicated:yes:_________ __________________

http://tinyurl.com/lxz6z7

here’s the FEI listings - check out the massive disclaimer.

So if i can’t ask my vet, i can’t rely on the FEI who run the sport for clarification what next? How exactly do i guarantee to comply with the zero threshold?

The FEI has suspended me immediately, as dictated by the rules of procedure. The fact that only ineffective traces of the drug were found does not matter according to those rules. I deeply regret this incident, but I was convinced that I had acted correctly. I wish the rules were revised as quickly as possible in a way that allows reasonable treatment of sport horses without risking long suspensions because the settling times change constantly with each new method of analysis and become literally “incalculable”.

This is a statement from Isabell that I read on Dressage Daily. It is very much in line with Canyonoak’s quote from the AAEP conference and Fixerupper’s points - administrators are making the rules, not vets or scientists who can see the point that they are catching the wrong folks. If they can find single molecules from a drug that was administered three weeks before and has a therapeutic effect of only one day (bute), it essentially means that no-one can appropriately medicate their horse at any time because minute traces can be found, and punished, long after the drug should be out of the animal’s system. It’s just absurd.

Punish her all you want - yes, she broke the rules. As the person responsible, she has accepted responsibility. But the rules are truly destructive and do not accomplish what they are meant to do - they catch people for virtually meaningless infractions of the rules - they enforce the letter of the law, not the intent. If there are people who are actually drugging their horses for performance enhancement, I don’t recall seeing a case where this has been proven at the elite international level - and yes, people do get caught at the national level on an appallingly regular basis.

Even regarding Cian O’conner, the other big Fluphen case, I don’t recall the amount of the drug in the horse’s system, whether it was still effective or not. His defense was that the horse was given the drug to undergo a medical procedure or examination during or after a short lay-up quite a while before the Olympics, if I remember correctly. If I’m wrong about that, I’m sure someone will correct me. :wink:

So these riders are punished and the press screams about horse-doping and yes it makes the sport look bad.

I wish it would end, but with the FN’s declarations, and the FEI’s apparent inability to re-examine it’s policy, these kinds of sad, absurd cases will continue.

zero tolerance

g a good hard look at failure of the zero tolerance paradigm, it’s probably too much to hope for that the FN will…I doubt that zero tolerance is realistic with high level performance horses:no:

othes would agree

I heard this repeatedly from h/j :yes:people when the AHSA changed the h rules to limit he amount of nsaids which a horse could compete onThey would have to hire a pharmacist to evaluate the length of time they would remain detectable. in each horse!:eek:

ered three weeks before and has a therapeutic effect of only one day (bute), it essentially means that no-one can appropriately medicate their horse at any time because minute traces can be found, and punished, long after the drug should be out of the animal’s system. It’s just absurd.

oh really?

I don’t recall seeing a case where this has been proven at the elite international level - and yes, people do get caught at the national level on an appallingly regular basis.What about the German show jumpers?