There’s nothing wrong with HFTC liking Shawnee’s horses. Nothing at all. But it is colored by the fact that on occasion, Shawnee has been the only one to side with HFTC during a train wreck.
HFTC: Who’s the QH that does GP dressage? Young Fleet is the only QH that comes to my mind that has done GP show jumping. Can you tell me who some others are?
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Atlanta is going to get snow…can we start the popcorn now? Maybe start on 4H A rateds or simlar noted train wrecks??
Just a little log of the fire here…we each perceive from what we do and know best. I am in a USEF A type barn and, although only did the 3’ Adults, where I did show you needed a little more scope then that to bail Moi out of stupid ammy blunders and still get down the line…basically bought a mediocre 3’6" horse that made a great 3’er. My perception is towards the USEF rateds 3’ and up and it does color my opinion. So did having to go against top nationally ranked horses all the time.
Others are centered on regional or locals and that infuences what they think and how they perceive things.
Maybe don’t jump on those who do think 3’6" when they think rated show quality and don’t diss somebody more locally oriented?[/QUOTE]
I agree, but my argument has always been people pointing out there aren’t as many or any qh’s showing in the 3’6" and saying therefore they don’t have the scope. My horses have always shown at A and AA shows, I did the 3 foot but on horses that are scopey enough to do the 3’6". I cannot afford that nor do I personally have the talent for it even if horsey does. So I am coming from the same view point.
And Again the best QH’s doing the 3’6" are doing it one AQHA where the prizes are really good.
Parrotnutz…I’m not trying to be argumentative here, but can you explain how one can afford the 3’ at A and AA shows but not the 3’6"? I absolutely understand not doing it from a rider standpoint, but I just don’t understand it from a cost standpoint. How does 6" cost that much more?
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Parrotnutz…I’m not trying to be argumentative here, but can you explain how one can afford the 3’ at A and AA shows but not the 3’6"? I absolutely understand not doing it from a rider standpoint, but I just don’t understand it from a cost standpoint. How does 6" cost that much more?[/QUOTE]
You are kidding right? Adults can go in one day and entry fees are not like first years or a/o fees and thos classes are usually over 2 days.
Then since I don’t do 3’6" I would ahve to pay a trainer/rider per class to ride my horse which gets pricey too.
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Atlanta is going to get snow…can we start the popcorn now? Maybe start on 4H A rateds or simlar noted train wrecks??
Just a little log of the fire here…we each perceive from what we do and know best. I am in a USEF A type barn and, although only did the 3’ Adults, where I did show you needed a little more scope then that to bail Moi out of stupid ammy blunders and still get down the line…basically bought a mediocre 3’6" horse that made a great 3’er. My perception is towards the USEF rateds 3’ and up and it does color my opinion. So did having to go against top nationally ranked horses all the time.
Others are centered on regional or locals and that infuences what they think and how they perceive things.
Maybe don’t jump on those who do think 3’6" when they think rated show quality and don’t diss somebody more locally oriented?[/QUOTE]
Fair enough findeight. The majority of people do not have your experience in showing nationally, including me, so I’m sure that shapes your perceptions. We do have good riders at the local As, like Harold Chopping (he’s in FL now), but not a whole mass of them like Wellington.
The snow is going to start here soon as well.
The USEF now recognizes the NCHJA shows as official C shows. I think that started this year. The results from the NCHJA show that I showed at are listed on the horse’s results forms with the USEF as being an official USEF C show. I didn’t even know that until I just looked at the USEF results of my friend’s horse. I would have gone ahead and registered the green bean with the USEF so that she would also have a USEF show record. Dang it. Going to go do that now. Thanks NCHJA for keeping us informed. I still haven’t received my membership card from them this year.
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You are kidding right? Adults can go in one day and entry fees are not like first years or a/o fees and thos classes are usually over 2 days.
Then since I don’t do 3’6" I would ahve to pay a trainer/rider per class to ride my horse which gets pricey too.[/QUOTE]
I was actually discussing this with a barnmate yesterday. There is an “A” show in the area this weekend and her horse was going for the 1st Years. We were calculating the difference to show in A/Os Vs A/As. It’s only $50 more for the division but there was the added cost of a 2nd day of trailering to the show, trainer day/schooling fees, braiding fee and groom day fee. It ended up being $370 for a day showing in the A/As VS $690 for a two show in the A/O’s. That’s quite a difference!
You don’t get points for knowledge… when you have to name drop.:lol:
Nope, not kidding. Entries are a little higher, but around here…all the divisions run over two days.
And of course, I wasn’t talking about having to pay a pro to ride. I’m not an idiot. But if you were to ride, why would it be that much more expensive?
If you can do the A/As in one day, I get it. It’s not an option for me as 1) shows don’t offer it and 2) everything is too far away to trailer in.
I do an occasionally C and even that runs ALL divisions over 2 days. I wish they would do it in one day, because I would go more often.
You didn’t ask me, but I wanted to share the price breakdown for a local “A” show running this weekend, (and those prices other than division fees can be even more around here):
~Division for A/A’s, 4 classes ($100) + day/schooling fee ($100) + trailering fee an hour away ($100) + braiding fee ($45) + groom’s day fee ($25) = $370
~Division for A/O’s, 5 classes ($150) + 2 days/schoolin fees ($100X2) + trailering fee ($100X2) + 2 days of braiding ($45X2) + 2 days of groom fees ($25X2) = $690
So it is a big expense. Luckily for me, I have my own trailer, and I do my own grooming. Some of the customers don’t do either, and they get billed for it.
I do an occasionally C and even that runs ALL divisions over 2 days. I wish they would do it in one day, because I would go more often.
Do they hold the shows over two days because you have so many entries, and/or they offer 4 o/f classes for the “C” rated divisions? Or is it because you have less shows, so more people travel further? We never see “C” shows being split like that. The bigger shows, like HITS, Hamptons, yes, but not the local “A” shows. We even have some weekend shows were the pro divisions will run on one day, with 3 o/f classes, or the “B” shows over two days instead of 3 or 4, but “C” shows are always held in one day. Interesting.
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There’s nothing wrong with HFTC liking Shawnee’s horses. Nothing at all. But it is colored by the fact that on occasion, Shawnee has been the only one to side with HFTC during a train wreck.
HFTC: Who’s the QH that does GP dressage? Young Fleet is the only QH that comes to my mind that has done GP show jumping. Can you tell me who some others are?[/QUOTE]
I have never met SA personally, nor has she ever sided with me in a thread to my knowledge. The only reason that I ever even came across her was because of an ad on equine.com of a QH that she had for sale that I really, really liked when I was horse shopping a long time ago. Unfortunately, he had already been sold. We just happened to post on the same message board by chance. I have nothing to gain by saying that she has nice horses, but that is my opinion of them. She is actually a rival barn:p She is also the only other barn that I know of in this area that posts on this message board and is a rated show barn that cranks out the hunter QHs so her barn was also used in my example. If there are others, excuse me that I left you out.
Threes and Sevens (GP jumper), Whatazan (GP Jumper), Honey Bright Dream (GP dressage), Tigris (GP dressage). I don’t know that much about it though and I don’t know how you would go about finding out all the GP QH show jumpers or GP dressage horses. I’m sure there are others out there.
I praise other people’s programs that I show against all the time if they’re doing a good job. I like to watch good horses and good riders, and I make it known when I like a combination. Hey, if you win, you like to know you’re beating someone good. If you don’t win, hey, that’s okay too. The other people were just really good and you need to work harder:lol:
Equino,
Here in NC, we usually hold C shows over two days as well. Actually 3 days in some cases.
Equino: I know the associated costs, but I didn’t realize there were A shows that ran divisions on one day. I don’t have that option…even at the local association multi-day non rated show that is almost close enough to trailer to for one day (2 hours). Everything here is run over two days. The C show I go to is run over three days, but divisions are split between two.
It would be MUCH less expensive if you could trailer in, do the whole division in one day and leave. Wow…I’m just reeling at the thought. I would show much more frequently.
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Equino: I know the associated costs, but I didn’t realize there were A shows that ran divisions on one day. I don’t have that option…even at the local association multi-day non rated show that is almost close enough to trailer to for one day (2 hours). Everything here is run over two days. The C show I go to is run over three days, but divisions are split between two.
It would be MUCH less expensive if you could trailer in, do the whole division in one day and leave. Wow…I’m just reeling at the thought. I would show much more frequently.[/QUOTE]
You have to move to NJ…I have an extra bedroom and could use a roommate :lol:
Apparently I’m illiterate and can’t read. I read the results on my friend’s horse wrong earlier. Those weren’t the results from the Raleigh C Indoors show. They were the results from the Raleigh Indoors Holiday Classic A show. Horseshows online does have the NCHJA shows listed as USEF C shows but I don’t think that is correct. Sheesh. I need some sleep.
Sorry about that.
There’s those definitions and perceptions again. In 15 years doing the Hunters in New England and then the midwest near some major show venues…I almost NEVER have been able to do the Adults in a day (2 shows in New England were the only exceptions), it is simply not an option. Even our better regionals (that are pretty competitive) are 4 rounds and an U/S over TWO days.
Heck, I can’t even do my lowly 2’6" in a single day-always two. Would not cost me a penny more to go 3’6" (except needing a better hor$e), might even be less as there is actual prize money. And, yeah, I would need a better horse as mine is lacking step at 3’6" and about topped out-and she is a TB. I admit it. If she had it, I might have done it.
That reminds me of when I used to show AQHA (hey! kinda back on topic!), we’d drive at least two hours and almost always stay over. But in our case, it would be over 2, 3 sometimes 4 days and each day would be an entirely new show, or would be 4 days, one show split over two days.
Edited to ask…Do you guys get really big turn out and that is the reason for more days of showing? The “A” show that was held this weekend was tiny, divisions filled, but barely.
It would be MUCH less expensive if you could trailer in, do the whole division in one day and leave. Wow…I’m just reeling at the thought. I would show much more frequently.
I live in Westchester County, NY and during the summer, you can find multiple one day “C” rated shows every week, within the county. I had a full time job as a barn manager with flexibility, so I would show 1st thing in the AM (love when the A/As are 2nd division!) and be back to work before lunch.
Our local “A” shows do run the “C” divisions in one day, sometimes only offering two o/f classes (HATE that). It’s for the bigger “A” show that they’ll split it over two days.
This is my friend’s QH, and he’s super talented. They compete in hunters and can hold there own against some majorly talented WBs.
I think there are more QHs and QHx in the H/J ring than you might think because the ones that are competing are talented enough to blend in.
In order to be rated an actual A show by USEF, there are minimum divisions that MUST be offered-they do not have to fill and run but they must be offered. About the least amount of time to get this done is 3 days…offer a bunch of non rated divisions and schooling, a few Classics, assorted Medal classes and a GP and you get about 4-5 days.
Also, people show for points and there is a limit on the number of classes per day per division (think it is 4?). To get the preferred 4 over fences PLUS an U/S, you need another day. And people want that 5 class division for more points and a better shot at Champion or Reserve…with 4 over fences you can have a less then steller trip with 3 good ones and be close to Reserve. Or skip the hack with a great jumper but not so hot mover on the flat. Still get alot of points for the four O/F.
Don’t think size of the classes is an issue right now but it sure was a few years ago when there were 135 Adults split into 3 age groups (and A and B sections in that middle group). That took all day just for the possible 2 Low (warm up class) and 2 Ammie Adult runs. That was 270 Adult trips and IIRC, about 200 Lows-about 500 trips. Can do about 30 trips an hour. Thank the lord the U/S went the next day when there was no Low offered.
forestergirl99, cute! Is he a red dun? I used to dream of owning a red dun!
Oh, I do understand that. I’ve been to shows where they offer a “Pleasure Horse” division on the last day, as the only division of the day, that often ends up being canceled, to fulfill that requirement. Usually happens when there are no Jumper classes being offered. And yes, as far as I know, a hunter division cannot be more than 4 classes a day (one is the u/s) so that a horse doesn’t do more than 3 o/f classes in one division a day.
Anyway, my question was about “C” rated shows being held over two days. I’ve only been to one days for the “C” rated.
There are rules for that division with USEF but it is not on the mandatory list of offerings for H/J show rating…maybe they are using it just to be able to offer optional classes? Or for the regional affiliate? Never saw one outside of the breed shows.
To muddy the question, the 3’ divisions are C rated even if held at a AA rated, only the 3’6" and up are A rated divisions and there are money offered requirments a show must meet.
Anyway, in many (if not most) places, even the C rateds or unrated affiliate sponsored shows are 2 days so people can get the extra round in. 2 days also lets them offer a few more divisions-like Ponies or some extra EQ classes/local Medals.
Most of the 1 day shows don’t offer a full slate of divisions-many top out at 3’.
About the whole doing the AAs in a day thing…
Around here (Zone 2) mostly the AAs go over one day at the B and C shows. Even at those shows, the AOs go over two days, so there is certainly a cost difference there. Also, even at some of the smaller As, the AAs go over one day while the AOs go over two, so once again the cost difference is quite high. It’s not that different if you only do shows where everything goes over two days (for me those shows are shows like Vermont, Saratoga, State College, Garden State, etc) but for most of our local shows (not all, but most) AAs tend to go over one day while AOs mostly ALWAYS go over two.
But that’s just in one part of the country…it seems to be different elsewhere or depending on which shows you go to, which I find really interesting!
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