WILL/SHOULD THE HORSE WORLD BECOME POLITICALLY CORRECT?

It seems to me that the first paragraph was simply to give examples of politically (political??)correctness. No one here is comparing horse shows to strip searches. Give me a break.

Also, TJO mentions in the initial post the idea of “flexiblle striding.” There was just a huge thread about this exact issue, entitled “should strides count.” Frankly, I don’t have time to read the whole thread, but from what I understand, some people think that horses should not be penalized for adding, as long as they make it look good. That is a great example of what is being discussed in this thread. If judges did not count strides the hunter divisions would be seriously dummied down. Fortunately I don’t think this will ever happen.

hobson, I accept your hairlessness.
It recalls to mind a dear old friend who, in the early 70’s, was lamenting to me about the “fascists” he’d met who had long hair. Reb felt long hair ought to stand for a certain set of ideals.

I, OTOH, felt that true freedom meant the freedom to wear as much or as little hair as one wanted, without any attendant politial statement attatched thereto.

To make this horse-related, I have never succumbed to the idea that a horse ought to have the hair removed from the inside of its ears in order to be presentable at a show.

Unashamed member of the Arab clique…just settin’ on the Group W bench.

I think it would be useful to recall the post oh-so-many pages ago that reminded us about the origins of the term “PC.” In my book, the label is used to disparage and discredit any attempts at leveling the playing field for all, removing ILLEGAL barriers to employment, education and housing.

It reminds me of how we got employment and education-related anti-gender-discrimination laws on the books in the first place. Back in the hairy 60s, a group of right-wing legislators wanted to kill the Civil Rights act that was meant to end racial discrimination in the specific setting of work and school. So they decided that if they added a ban against GENDER discrimination, then surely everyone, democrats included, would find the whole idea insupportable. The idea that you would stop blocking women’s access to employment opportunities seemed so patently ridiculous that these (mostly southern) gentlemen could not imagine anyone voting for it. But lo and behold, the law passed, and now we can sue for gender discrimination and sexual harassment.

OK, long story I know, but my point is that “PC” gets bandied about when the “haves” feel threatened by the attempts of the “have nots” to get a fair shake. When you are prevented from getting decent housing (please refer to the history of redlining), a job, and quality education because of institutionalized racism, this is not the time to accept the argument that “life’s just not fair.”

If you don’t want to read, you don’t have to - but I do think some of us are having fun!

Whew! Did I miss the dodge ball that time?

Our society has a population that is rapidly growing that is well… considered “useless” at least by what they are paid on the market. We have too many people to do the new economy’s service jobs. Somebody needs to recognize this and say, look, if you have a baby, you better get that baby a college education or that baby isn’t going to be valued enough by society to make a living wage.

But, that is terribly UN-PC, we say we value all lives, but we don’t - we don’t pay all lives a living wage. So, we need to stop lying and saying we value all children, and say we only value those that can get educated and start encouraging some birth control, especially among groups that have trouble getting educated…

But, that’s an awful thing to say or think and I feel bad thinking it, but if society really valued all members, than everyone would make a living wage.

(This post inspired by that book Nickled and Dimed - we have to ask ourselves why people are so poorly paid - if WalMart didn’t have 10 people to fill the position, they’d have to pay better). Simple supply and demand regarding labor units. Ugh, that’s cold.

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

You see, once Ann Coulter, the beloved (but malevolently reactionary) spokesperson of the right (who has been tenderly and respectfully celebrated in the Liberal Media) announced that she wished Timothy McVeigh had bombed the New York Times building and killed everyone inside, and then announced that she thought Clinton should have been assassinated, and argued that anyone disagreeing with the Pretzel Man should be jailed, we (the collective known as “hobson”) thought the whole of the american right wing had been invaded by the body snatchers. So you might understand our surprise when one or a few of the right make statements in support of civil liberties and condemn such jingoistic attacks on personal freedoms, thinly disguised investments into dismantling legal protections for workers, the environment, consumers, and dissenters in general.

Education: As the mother of an autistic child, I can tell you that special ed is the cash cow of every school district. They like to have kids in special ed so the district gets the $$, then they spend it on the regualr ed population. They are able to do this because of Mainstreaming. It is not about the “bright” kids being held back by the kids from the short bus. It about the regular ed popualtion having their hands in the special ed population’s pockets.

Racial profiling: I am so tired of being searched at the airport. I usually travel with my family, so picture this. Middle aged woman, WHITE w/ red hair and traveling with 2 kids, yeah I looking like a terrorist I finally figured out why I am always getting searched. I wear my dansko clogs when we travel 'cause they are so comfy. Airport sercurity looks for people who wear shoes w/ no laces to search because they have no place for people sit down and tie their shoes after they have been searched. I kid no not. If they are going to do a shoe search, they profile you by your shoes. That is security for you. How about picking people who actually might be a threat? What a concept! I have traveled a bit since last September, and I can tell you whenever a suspicious looking person (read here guy) gets up from their seat, I watch 'em all the way to the restroom. Law enforcement uses profiling for a reason, it is a valid tool. Islamic extremists don’t have red hair, wear sleeveless dresses with a hemline above the knee and travel with two blonde kidlets.

This doesn’t give law enforcement the excuse to be rude or disrespectful. But if there was an “Amber Alert” for a woman driving dk blue F150, I’d expect to be pulled over and I wouldn’t complain about it.

With regard to horses, for dressage the best moving horse with the best training should win. It stand to reason that this would most often be the breed that was bred for gaits (the WB), but it doesn’t mean an arab couldn’t kick their butt!!! (ocasionally)

[This message was edited by nhwr on Sep. 05, 2002 at 06:18 PM.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeannette, formerly ponygyrl:
Ditto what ghazzu and jl said. Count me into the “In this camp, and horseperson too!” Though my horses are vertically challenged. I’m hoping my “half-breed” filly will move me into the horse camp…

I can vouch for the existence of Hobson’s horses - and fine one’s they are, too. I was right tempted to load horse Hobson onto my trailer after I rode him - but human Hobson was too much of a horsewoman to allow that. Glad she has had the energy to articulate some counter-arguments to this batch of pot-stirring!

TJO - did something horsie happen to set you off, or was it just a quiet day??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jeannette…I think you’re right on both accounts. To answer your question, I guess you could say something horsie happened. Work done, I had planned to spend a few uninterrrupted days riding, having some lessons, etc., having missed a few recently due to work. You know what they say about the best laid plans…well, at the barn Wed., I got dumped 3 times in one half-hour lesson, when my horse very uncharacteristically kept stopping dead or stopping then leaping over some little, nothing fences. Usually I know it’s my fault, but my trainer wasn’t screaming as he wouldn’t hesitate to do, if it was. I kept landing on the same side, the same hip/butt/thigh area each time, once into an oxer, once a roll top, and once, a 360 over his head and right to the ground. At may age (OLD!), that’s not fun. I would’ve gotten back on again after fall #3 but I knew one more fall would really do me in. A good helmet saved my head and my jockey vest from the track saved my back (broken once already) but there are more black and blue marks and ugly bruises covering the areas described above, than there is skin showing.

I found out today, that the cause of his stopping was allergies, which he never seemed bothered by, just a little head tossing during flatwork (trotwork only), never during cantering or jumping, his favorite part of any lesson. The vet took him off the prednisone 6 months ago as he didn’t seem to need it. Until now! After all the rain we had, his head tossing had gotten really wild in the last 2 weeks but with my trainer away, I didn’t realize how bad until the other day. He’s back on prednisone now, so hopefully he’ll be his old happy super-jumper self again soon. THAT’S THE HORSIE PART.

THE SLOW DAY PART…Driving the 60+ miles home was bad enough, but the only comfortable chair in the whole house was at the computer so there I sat most of the day, decided to try posting a topic a little off the beaten track…and you know the rest. Actually I thought it would get few replies, if any, at all. So the number and intensity of responses not only was a surprise, it confirmed my suspicions that this is the one (AND ONLY) horsey BB with such a large audience of diverse, committed, intelligent, humorous, opinionated, infuriating, captivating, articulate, true to their convictions and all around interesting people. Believe it or not, I actually like hearing from people whose opinions are light years away from mine. Often I’ll play devils advocate just to get such a reaction when a topic seems to be getting a little mundane.

I was shocked to learn though that Hobson is a woman. Could’ve sworn that was typical male rhetroic I was hearing. But you know what happens when you assume…

Anyway, considering the topic, I was surprised at the extent of interest in what was to become the “dodgeball detour!”

I’m really not Rush Limbaugh or O’Reilly, though I do lean toward their idealogies more than that of say a Phil Donohue or most CNN folks. But I do appreciate rational, not radical, opposing views, even from liberals or socialists, such as the recent ones expressed by CWEINER here. Put in so logical a way, I could be persuaded to agree with some of them!

I guess you hit it onthe head JEANNETTE!

Yep! And on that, Heidi, I don’t see that we’d match up on everything because we are individuals and are allowed to express ourselves pretty darned freely in this great country (not entirely when the country is under attack from liberals and Osama !!)

It’s all about ME, ME, ME!!! (The only signature worthy of a real DQ.)

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Emma MHC:
I think it’s a good idea to close it, it’s getting way OT I am pretty sure you can actually do it yourself, since you are the original author.

EMMA
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I can??? How???

For all of those who despise dodgeball, check this out! It was in the Toronto Sunday Sun and I saw it after reading all the dodgeball references.
http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/2002/09/08/

Stonehaven Farm
Breeding Swedish Warmbloods

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeannette, formerly ponygyrl:
The Internationale is a much more stirring tune! Hmmm…<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stand UP, all victims of oPRESSSSSSSion
For the tyrants fear your might!
Don’t CLING so hard to your possESSSSSSSSions
For you have nothing if you HAVE no rights!

Let racist ignorance be ENDed
For respect makes the EMPIRES fall
Freedom is merely privilege exTENNNNNDed
Unless enjoyed by one and ALLLLLLL!

So come BROthers and SISSSSters
For the struggle carries on
The INNNNternationAAAALLLEEE
Unites the world in SOOOONG

SOOO-ooo comRADES, come RAAALLLLLy
For this is the time and PLAAACE
The international ideal unites the human race.

And so begins the final DRAAAma
In the streets and in the fields
We stand unbowed before their AARRRRRmor
We defy their GUNS and shields

When we fight provoked by their aGRESSSSSion
Let us be exiled by LIIIFE and love!
Although they offer us conCESSSSions
Change will not come FROM ABOVE.

(thanks to B Bragg and P Seeger)

Good, I m glad that you’re getting help if you need it. I wonder which administration reinstated benefits? I certainly can’t judge your situationbut me, I’ve asked for government assistance once in my life, and I was so embarrassed I hustled my arse to get 2 jobs before the next food stamp go-round. The jobs were awful, which inspired me to go back to school. And so on…it s the American way, you know.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And perhaps YOU want me to have a job but I assure you that you’re in the minority of group<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Please give me a solid example of who they are? Which group specifically has short changed you so badly and made you so angry? Who s holding you back and how?
Example please.
I ve never said:<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> To ensure that we Americans never offend anyone, airport screeners will not be allowed to profile people <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>.
However, how does searching Muslim men correlate with the fact that a eminent Miami Herald columnist . Leonard Pitts, was afraid to buy his black son an SUV because Florida cops have a history of stopping young black men in like cars and detaining them rather nastily?
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And if they ARE heavy they need to be out playing dodgeball anyway instead of sitting on thier asses absorbing happy meals, doncha think??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So play dodge ball already. Who s stopping you?

LOL…what I love most about Hilary winning a seat in NY is that it makes certain people SO mad!!

If you get to thinkin’ you’re a person of some influence, try orderin’ somebody ELSE’s dog around- A Cowboy’s Guide to Life

Maggymae, I know EXACTLY the book you are talking about, but I can’t remember the name either! There is also “The Myth of the Welfare Queen”, which was actually rather good - the author studied a cross section of women on welfare & basically rebutted the idea that everyone on welfare is lazy & just wants to stay at home, have kids, and draw income for doing nothing.

There are many, many, MANY people in the US who work VERY hard but don’t have the education/skills/etc to rise above minimum-wage positions - and they don’t have the money/time/leisure to go back to school & get more education. Which is why I respect those counties & cities that are now enacting “living wage” ordinances, much to the chagrin of the restaurant/hospitality industry.

There was a very depressing article in Time a while back - basically about families that had sick children & were too rich to qualify for Medicaid, but too poor to afford quality health care. Some families resolved this by having one parent quit their job so they would be below the income cap for Medicaid.

So much for hard work & determination will get you anywhere you want to go …

-Albion

Well, it’s definitely NOT politically correct to show your hunter in a Kimberwicke no matter how well he goes in it.

It is NOT politically correct to warm your horse up at an event in lots of gadgets (save that for home )

It is not politically correct to show up in the hunt field in a “hunter” jacket.

Horse sports have always politically correct. People wear TS’s because that’s the thing to do, not because they are flattering (they look great on a certain body type, not all body types.) People wear faded hunt caps because it makes them look like they’ve been showing for years. It’s all about fitting in with the status quo, which varies from decade to decade ever so slightly.

If you get to thinkin’ you’re a person of some influence, try orderin’ somebody ELSE’s dog around- A Cowboy’s Guide to Life

Two, one two three four
Ev’rybody’s talking about
Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism
This-ism, that-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m.
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

C’mon
Ev’rybody’s talking about Ministers,
Sinisters, Banisters and canisters
Bishops and Fishops and Rabbis and Pop eyes,
And bye bye, bye byes.

All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

Let me tell you now
Ev’rybody’s talking about
Revolution, evolution, masturbation,
flagellation, regulation, integrations,
meditations, United Nations,
Congratulations.

All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

Ev’rybody’s talking about
John and Yoko, Timmy Leary, Rosemary,
Tommy Smothers, Bobby Dylan, Tommy Cooper,
Derek Taylor, Norman Mailer,
Alan Ginsberg, Hare Krishna,
Hare, Hare Krishna

All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Velvet:

(Oh, and it is “methinks,” not “me thinks.” )
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Shouldn’t it be “I think”?

But I was never one for putting on the Shakespeare thing in everyday speech.

Can’t believe that there are those who are so bitterly and resentfully jealous of the poor.

White homemakers (especially those in jail, a fab concept for a B film, BTW), represent a greater percentage of the population than blacks in the U.S., yet 80% (that’s the number I recall) of the prison population in American prisons is black. Why do you think that is? A greater racial predisposition to crime? Or perhaps a glaring indication that ignorance, racism, inequity continues to reign supreme in the U.S.?

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HeyYouNags:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hobson:
It was funny, Sannois. Who do you pray to? General Franco?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ronald Reagan, of course.

Conservatives are already trying to convince the Vatican to grant him Sainthood.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have the unfortunate feeling that you’re not kidding. What are the miracles ascribed to Saint Ronald? Creating Oliver North out of a few scraps of khaki and chutzpah?