The world is a competitive and political place. To completely level the playing field eliminates variation, creativity and originality. There is benefit in all of these things. This doesn’t not mean that people should be rude, self centered or disrespectful. It does means that everyone should be assertive and considerate. If a person isn’t motivated to assert their point of view, is it my responsibility to assert it for them at the expense of my own point of view? Not this girl! I expect people to take responsibility for themselves and their needs. To say that some people are not capable of doing this at all is to disenfranchise them from the human race. Life is life, neither fair nor unfair. The concept of “fair” implies a process of judgement. Rational beings are capable of judgement, a constantly unfolding process is not.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elizabeth:
Luckily, JL, the radical right has a response to that - the Republicans all HELD THEIR RESPECTIVE NOSES after the two fiascos you mentioned. They didn’t continue to blindly support the person(s) directly at issue (at least with respect to the first fiasco) nor did they ELECT THE WIFE of said person!
Now, hopefully we will go no further with this albeit fun political discussion. _The reality is that short of reminding people who voted for Clinton the second time that they voted for Clinton the second time, I have a limited ability to discuss political scandals! _ 
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I’m pretty much square with that, as long as we can remind all those people who voted for Reagan the second time amidst the overlooked-as-whitewater Iran-Contra debacle.
But to be perfectly fair, time has shown that the “I can’t remember” defense really did turn out to be accurate, albeit not nearly as much fun as that pesky “non-material perjury” defense.
But given that we are on page 10 before I made my debut, it must be obvious that I have an even more limited capacity for political debate, right hobson? I mean I won’t even mention what kind of precedent it just might have set for your average Middle East terrorist to learn that the US might just trade arms for hostages. Might even be a precedent that one might pay for for some time, but we will never know since you can’t rewrite history.
[I]“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”
Albert Einstein (1878-1955)[/I]
Where is Lexington, TX, and which kind of barbeque do they believe in there??
I cannot believe that anyone would fall for TJOs bag pf tricks so easily!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by magnolia:
One day, I took my size challenged horse to a hunter jumper show. He was beaten by some horses of german descent, native american horses and even a horse of middle eastern descent with an alternative tail carraige. When I asked the judge why I was beaten she said that she felt jumping may be too great of a challenge for my grace deficient equine, but to try larger fences as they may enable him to use his enhanced size to his advantage. Sadly, some less enlightened viewers wanted to take opportunity from my horse. They told me perhaps, because of his size, he might be more suited to being an agricultural field turning horse as opposed to a hunter jumper.
The witchy witch witch of south central NC.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
OMG! YOU DO HAVE A WAY WITH WORDS, MAGNOLIA, THAT’S WHY YOU WIN FIRST PRIZE FOR THE MOST ENTERTAINING, ORIGINAL, WITTY, CREATIVE, RIGHT ON TARGET, BRILLIANT PLAY ON WORDS, ALL AROUND TERRIFICALLY WONDERFUL, I WISH I’D THOUGHT OF IT, ONE-OF-A-KIND, CAN’T TOP THIS ONE REPLY.
Let’s end this thread on a high note.
OK Moderators? I will try to lock it, per instructions received, but I’ll probably screw something up so I’m counting on you for a back-up key.
There is a simple answer to this seemingly simple question.
It sounds crazy because it is crazy. It is NOT part of American life. We are a capitalistic society. That won’t change.
Ugh, all I can say is I feel sorry for you timedjumpoff. How pathetic.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Velvet:
Haven’t they heard of birth control? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, see the thing is, they have to have ACCESS to birth control. The more PP and other public health clinics get shut down, the less access there is. Health insurance is expensive . . . and then, when they have ACCESS to birth control, they need education to understand why they need it and how to use it effectively - but since we can’t teach people about that (as it’s immoral . . . ), not sure what to do.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Velvet:
And as for the homeless, what we as individuals need to do is give them opportunities (not necessarily have the government give them a handout) and if they CHOOSE not to take it, then they stay homeless. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Unless of course they are like most of the homeless folks that I knew when I was growing up, who were homeless because they were severely mentally ill and the only public medical facility that would take them was shut down, because of - you guessed - budget cuts during the Reagan era. The entire population ended up on the street.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Velvet:
Why is it the government is tasked with taking care of everyone? Especially the national government? (I refuse to argue partisanship–it’s not the point out here.) Shouldn’t that be something for individuals or non-government organizations? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
First, if this isn’t the function of government, then I’m not really sure what it is . . . I agree that it would be wonderful if individuals and NGOs took care of the burden - I think that used to be more common. Unfortunately, I think most of those contributions come with strings tied to individual and religious agendas - again, possibly being construed as un-constitutional.
It’s a very interesting debate, and I’ll repeat again - it’s been going on from the day the country was founded. I don’t think we’re going to fix it here, folks . . . but it’s more fun than what’s sitting on my desk!
We eat red meat here in Texas,HeyYouNags
!However,in your case I’ll make an exception and we’ll stop by Mother’s Cafe on our way out of town.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DMK: I was going to respond to sannois’ assumption that Rush gets it right, and the liberal media does not, but then I realized I would be put in the position of trying to make sannois understand who that 98% of the media is one-sided, regardless of their political affiliation or affinity, and well, I think that might be akin to beating my head against the wall, and quite frankly I already have a sinus headache…<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why can I not have your restraint? 
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As a side note, do they screen the special forces candidates for a Rugged Good Look factor? Or do they only promote those that have It? Because to a man, they were quite pleasing to the eye… 
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Oh yeah! Come visit sometime. We’ll go hang out at the Officer’s Club one night.
Just because you’re not paranoid, doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.
This announcement is to notify you all that the collective known as “hobson” is now unavailable for public comment due to unforseen computational difficulties.
The lady stripped-searched in the airport was probably NOT chosen because she was black. What makes you say that?
A local grandmother, who is white, was strip-searched at a major airport near me last month. At the same airport, my blonde, blue-eyed friend was also strip-searched.
We can only hope that PC drowns from its own hyper-sensitivity.
What is the O’Reilly Factor with TJO?
Well, I scrolled back and figured that TJO is timedjumpoff, but what is the O’Reilly Factor?
that’s gratitude for ya I guess
“I ain’t got a dime but what I got is mine; I ain’t rich, but Lord, I’m free.”
It is when I read statements like the following:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>In the words of “W”, if you’re not with us you’re against us.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
that I get really frightened.
Coming from a military family, I know how image-conscious the military can be, especially in front of TV cameras. Yes, they actually do screen - they try in most cases to make sure that the best-looking personnel in a unit get to be on TV. It’s a great recruiting tool. There were probably many other units doing similar things, but when the military was asked if they would grant interviews, they chose the best-looking for the job. I know for a fact that they actually do this.
Got my PH yesterday and a PC notion hit me. The whole HELMET issue. There it is on the cover, rider with NO helmet. I’m sure PH had meetings and discussions over this…should we? They are going to get hordes of letters blasting them for that cover shot. If they would have forced her to wear a helmet for the picture, that would have been a great example of being politically correct!! They chose not. Whattaya know!!
If you get to thinkin’ you’re a person of some influence, try orderin’ somebody ELSE’s dog around- A Cowboy’s Guide to Life
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sandbarhorse:
I have heard recently that dodge ball was banned in a nearby school district because it could create issues of inferiority in children who were not as athletic as the others.
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I have mixed feelings about this one. I totally agree that children need to learn early that there is a word “no” or “not you” and that they don’t always win. BUT, dodgeball…YIKES…what a massacre that was. I remember clearly!! I was probably at the middle of the pack regarding athleticism and it never really bothered me, but some of the kids were truly demoralized by this game. The thing is that the HAD to play…no excuses. These poor kids were not out there signing up for little league and expecting to be able to play. They were forced to play.
OK kiddies…that’s what we call a discussion. As opposed to nasty name calling.
Lettin’ the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier than puttin’ it back- A Cowboy’s Guide to Life
is causing me to have bad flashbacks from my Labor Day weekend in a campin’ cabin on the Susquehanna, during which I bathed in the river to avoid using the skanked-up stinkpit they called a shower. I felt so frontier, until I bruised my butt on a sharp rock trying to shave my legs. (Yeah I know what you’re thinking, but I have too much southern european ancestry to look civilized in the bleeding-heart-60s “au naturel” style.)
But, pitch your tents around in any case.
Boy, you guys should have seen the drama when Jeannette tried to make off with Hobson when she thought I wasn’t looking. 
Velvet<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why should we have to pay for all of the single mothers and their children? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Using your logic, why should we be helping fat appy out at all?
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What I think PC does is to take away individuality and try to make everyone equal<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And what I think PC is trying to do is ensure equal opportunity under the law.
As I stated at the beginning of this epic, I suspect that the pendulum will be swinging in the other direction to compensate for past excesses. As an American I would rather err on the side of PC than return to a racially divided society that also condoned the oppression of women and homosexuals.
fat appy
Two questions:
1)As Heidi asked previously, are you aware who just who has set the standards for what is considered the poverty line? As you’re so sure fire convinced that it’s the pond-scum sucking liberals. I’d like you to illuminate me as to what administration has determined how much you are entitled to in childcare assistance.
2)Are you going to acknowledge that you grossly misquoted me and apologize for twisting my words?
Or do conservatives think that lying is an acceptable form of debate?
[This message was edited by jl on Sep. 09, 2002 at 12:17 PM.]
