Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[Sparrowette]

This thread has led me to some tangents, and I thought I’d share one.

http://niagarafallsreporter.com/Stories/2013/Jul9/Examples.html

This is an interesting history of jury nullification.

"1670

William Penn and William Mead were prosecuted for preaching the Quaker religion which was against the law in England.

The judge instructed the jury to return a guilty verdict since the men were plainly guilty.

Four jurors, led by Edward Bushell, refused to return the guilty verdict. The judge ordered the jury imprisoned. For two days, the jury refused to return a guilty verdict. The judge ended the trial and ordered the jurors imprisoned until they paid a fine. Bushell refused and spent months in jail. He was eventually released after his habeas corpus petition prompted the Court of Common Pleas chief judge to rule that a jury cannot be punished for their verdict.

Penn and Mead went free and this precedent established freedom of religion."

To me, it’s a wonder that a judge would TELL a judge to find one verdict or another. There are some other things on the page, too.

Just thought I’d share. Please carry on.

[BigMama1]

@eggbutt

Bingo. I will ask again, what LK expected from her constant provocation? She and her BF knew CPS was on the property because they directed them to where MB & MH were. They knew what lies they had told and knew within a matter of minutes it would hit the fan.

I don’t believe for one second the series of events RG and LK have presented. Time will certainly tell.

I am guessing she never expected to get shot. It’s not a reasonable or a predictable outcome of her behaviour. Getting shot is really not a reasonable or predictable outcome of any behaviour, unless perhaps you are part of a drug cartel, or gang, or regularly take part in armed robberies.

Responses like this not only sound like
a couple of people think she deserved to be shot (despite protests to the contrary) but also that she should have expected it. That is seriously messed up.

[Denali6298]

@BigMama1 you should really stop nit picking and telling people what not to post and how to post. :rolleyes::lol::lol:

[Scribbler]

@Sparrowette

This thread has led me to some tangents, and I thought I’d share one.

http://niagarafallsreporter.com/Stories/2013/Jul9/Examples.html

This is an interesting history of jury nullification.

"1670

William Penn and William Mead were prosecuted for preaching the Quaker religion which was against the law in England.

The judge instructed the jury to return a guilty verdict since the men were plainly guilty.

Four jurors, led by Edward Bushell, refused to return the guilty verdict. The judge ordered the jury imprisoned. For two days, the jury refused to return a guilty verdict. The judge ended the trial and ordered the jurors imprisoned until they paid a fine. Bushell refused and spent months in jail. He was eventually released after his habeas corpus petition prompted the Court of Common Pleas chief judge to rule that a jury cannot be punished for their verdict.

Penn and Mead went free and this precedent established freedom of religion."

To me, it’s a wonder that a judge would TELL a judge to find one verdict or another. There are some other things on the page, too.

Just thought I’d share. Please carry on.

Yes, well the Puritans also branded adulterers, hung Quakers and witches, snd practiced extreme religious intolerance. In 1670 the Eastern seaboard was a series of tiny villages that were British colonies,nominally under British Common Law but doing their own thing with very little oversight from the mother country. The trial you mention here is part of the political and religious infighting in the colonies and a matter of conscience not a criminal trial.

The USA did not exist until 1787, and all modern American laws and court proceedings develop after that.

I find the Puritans era absolutely fascinating and it’s one of my teaching areas but I would never look back to one of their trials for precedence in the modern legal system.

The closest modern comparison would be one of the places they still take religion seriously. Deadly seriously.

[angelssix]

Hi all! I don’t want to read through 100 pages of stuff…I have been out with a kidney stone. Did you guys ban crazy yet?

[trubandloki]

@angelssix

Hi all! I don’t want to read through 100 pages of stuff…I have been out with a kidney stone. Did you guys ban crazy yet?

You have to be far more specific. Who exactly are you referring to when you say crazy?

[CanteringCarrot]

@Jealoushe

Again, not shocked but scared/also somewhat laughing at the ignorance in this thread. Whoever is saying they don’t LK on this thread is flat out lying, this thread is like the ultimate internet bullying/obsessive/cyber stalking thread and honestly I can not believe it has not been shut down.

Anyways, just because you have heard things, or read things on Facebook does not mean you have even a single ounce of a clue of what happened that day or what evidence law enforcement has. Not just in this case, but all criminal cases involving murder/attempted murder. The details the police and lawyers will have are so beyond what we can all even come up with in our heads. Bottom line is, to hate someone so vehemently over what you see posted on Facebook and what you choose to conclude from that, and think you somehow “know it all” about what went down, makes you seem as delusional as you perceive LK to be. It’s not a good look.

Literally who said they know it all and have a firm grasp on the situation? Well, maybe The Blue Saddle (somewhat sarcastic here). Most of us have admitted to pure speculation and not knowing it all. Should we not speculate? Perhaps. Should we not assume? Perhaps Should we not reach a conclusion based on limited details? Perhaps. It’s a somewhat pretty discussion I’ll admit, but we’re entitled to our opinions. I’m not totally disagreeing with your post and most people won’t. We really DON’T know. This is true. I mean, when it comes to her social media posts people have shared on here, those are pretty telling. I don’t go combining through her SM, that’s kind of weird, but if someone shares it on here I give it a read. Am I wrong? Eh, probably.

But “it’s not a good look” and we’re all delusional. So just leave us in our delirium. Clearly you’re above this.

[CanteringCarrot]

@Denali6298

@BigMama1 you should really stop nit picking and telling people what not to post and how to post. :rolleyes::lol::lol:

She didn’t tell people what not to post and how to most, she merely disagreed, explained, and stated it was messed up, but she didn’t forbid the poster from participating. There’s a difference.

[Sparrowette]

@CanteringCarrot

Literally who said they know it all and have a firm grasp on the situation? Well, maybe The Blue Saddle (somewhat sarcastic here). Most of us have admitted to pure speculation and not knowing it all. Should we not speculate? Perhaps. Should we not assume? Perhaps Should we not reach a conclusion based on limited details? Perhaps. It’s a somewhat pretty discussion I’ll admit, but we’re entitled to our opinions. I’m not totally disagreeing with your post and most people won’t. We really DON’T know. This is true. I mean, when it comes to her social media posts people have shared on here, those are pretty telling. I don’t go combining through her SM, that’s kind of weird, but if someone shares it on here I give it a read. Am I wrong? Eh, probably.

But “it’s not a good look” and we’re all delusional. So just leave us in our delirium. Clearly you’re above this.

CC, you have to admit, The Blue Saddle is the most reliable witness yet. No one would suspect a SADDLE of spilling any beans, yet here we are with all the truth! Right up to the Iocane powder.

And another tangent I went on - You can get Iocane in a small vial necklace on eBay or Amazon. Who knew?

[tryintogethere]

@Jealoushe

Again, not shocked but scared/also somewhat laughing at the ignorance in this thread. Whoever is saying they don’t LK on this thread is flat out lying, this thread is like the ultimate internet bullying/obsessive/cyber stalking thread and honestly I can not believe it has not been shut down.

Anyways, just because you have heard things, or read things on Facebook does not mean you have even a single ounce of a clue of what happened that day or what evidence law enforcement has. Not just in this case, but all criminal cases involving murder/attempted murder. The details the police and lawyers will have are so beyond what we can all even come up with in our heads. Bottom line is, to hate someone so vehemently over what you see posted on Facebook and what you choose to conclude from that, and think you somehow “know it all” about what went down, makes you seem as delusional as you perceive LK to be. It’s not a good look.

As Eggbutt said you do not know who on this thread has had past or present experience with LK. I do not like LK, and I am not afraid to say that. Some have reason to hate her, for other reasons than what has been posted on any SM outlet.
There is no “bullying” going on, quite frankly that term is overused and means nothing anymore! Bullying used to be a face to face interaction, that usually escalated into a physical confrontation, but now, if someone does not like what another says, they scream “BULLYING”!!
It is not stalking if LK posts things on her PUBLIC page!
Oh and we have no idea what this case will be as the arraignment has not happened, but we DO know it will not be murder charges.

[CanteringCarrot]

@Sparrowette

CC, you have to admit, The Blue Saddle is the most reliable witness yet. No one would suspect a SADDLE of spilling any beans, yet here we are with all the truth! Right up to the Iocane powder.

And another tangent I went on - You can get Iocane in a small vial necklace on eBay or Amazon. Who knew?

This is true. I never would have expected tiara envy!

[smoofox]

@BigMama1

I am guessing she never expected to get shot. It’s not a reasonable or a predictable outcome of her behaviour. Getting shot is really not a reasonable or predictable outcome of any behaviour, unless perhaps you are part of a drug cartel, or gang, or regularly take part in armed robberies.

Responses like this not only sound like
a couple of people think she deserved to be shot (despite protests to the contrary) but also that she should have expected it. That is seriously messed up.

Very messed up. And yes, despite protests to the contrary, it is clear that some think she deserved to get shot.

I have had a couple of messed up people in my life who made things a living hell for a while. Never - not once - did I even think of getting a gun and shooting them or getting a knife and stabbing them or running them over with my car… although based on this thread I easily had the provocation to do so… times ten.

[Moderator_1]

We’ve removed an inappropriate post (and responses to it) and addressed it with the user. For the record, I was able to link dragonfly90 to a real person in real life who is NOT any of the named major players in this situation, so lay off the assumptions otherwise.

We’re closing this thread until there is some new related activity in the court system. Until then, let’s shelve the social media-fueled discussion. Feel free to PM me if there is movement on the legal front, and we can reopen the thread to keep it all in one place.

[tryintogethere]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/nyregion/shooting-dressage-social-media.html

So many inaccuracies to even be taken seriously!!

[RainWeasley]

@tryintogethere

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/n…ial-media.html

So many inaccuracies to even be taken seriously!!

I wouldn’t even know where to start…I thought this journalist was supposed to be good?? And… I for one am not a “fan” of MB, I barely knew a thing about him beyond the Stephen Colbert dressage thing. I thought everything about LK sounded sketchy because IT ALL SOUNDS SKETCHY. The vast majority of people on here have said LK sounds crazy not because we support MB, but because she legit sounds crazy. I don’t really care one way or another about MB, I think it’s sad that all of this happened but if he shot her trying to kill her, that’s on him. And I’m pretty sure most people feel the same way. But apparently the reporter looked over all the weirdness from LK. I guess it makes a more sensational story that way?

Also, what is the “rarefied world of dressage”? She used that phrase in both articles.

[MHM]

@tryintogethere

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/n…ial-media.html

So many inaccuracies to even be taken seriously!!

Yes. I was surprised. The article makes it sound like he rode in the 2016 Olympics, which is a pretty basic thing to fact check.

If you can’t check that fact…

[caffeinated]

I don’t know, I think the reporter is trying to tread a thin line of being as objective as possible. If she really wanted a sensational story, I would think including all the weirdness would be the way to go - I mean that’s the reason this thread is 200+ pages.

But that said, I think she included information on all that in the article in a pretty even handed way, even if she didn’t go back and detail it all exhaustively.

[RainWeasley]

@caffeinated

I don’t know, I think the reporter is trying to tread a thin line of being as objective as possible. If she really wanted a sensational story, I would think including all the weirdness would be the way to go - I mean that’s the reason this thread is 200+ pages.

But that said, I think she included information on all that in the article in a pretty even handed way, even if she didn’t go back and detail it all exhaustively.

Really? I thought the beginning of the article was all “everyone that isn’t saying poor poor LK is a troll and wants her dead”. The rest of it wasn’t that bad, actually, but they even linked to this thread and made it sound like everyone here is a MB fan that just can’t fathom him doing that and have to explain it away by making LK into a villain, which is NOT what has been going on.

[CanteringCarrot]

Meh, the article was just ok, IMO. Some inaccuracies.

I’ve kind of lost interest in the whole debacle.

[caffeinated]

@RainWeasley

Really? I thought the beginning of the article was all “everyone that isn’t saying poor poor LK is a troll and wants her dead”. The rest of it wasn’t that bad, actually, but they even linked to this thread and made it sound like everyone here is a MB fan that just can’t fathom him doing that and have to explain it away by making LK into a villain, which is NOT what has been going on.

Fair point - I just think to REALLY get into it requires a different format than the basic article that this is.

It does bring up some questions for me - I thought she’d talked about calling CPS. And WHY would anyone quote SW? For anything…

But I think she lays out the basic facts, and touches on some of the wild stuff without getting sucked down into it. Plus, she has to stick with what is verifiable - I doubt she could see old deleted FB posts, and MB’s lawyer was pretty closed-mouthed, sounds like.