Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[iris2006]

I went back to some source material to recap some facts:

From New York Post article: 8/8/19:

Police sources said that cops had been called to the farm at least a half-dozen times in the week leading up to the shooting but that tensions finally came to a head around 2:15 p.m. on Wednesday.

Barisone confronted Kanarek and her fiancé on the back porch of a farmhouse and, after a brief exchange of heated words, allegedly drew his gun, sources said. “There was a very short verbal confrontation,” said one police source. “He didn’t say, ‘I’m going for my gun.’ He just went for it. He came, [and] he knew what he was going to do.”

Barisone allegedly pumped two bullets into Kanarek’s chest at nearly point-blank range, according to sources.

Both Barisone and Kanarek’s fiancé suffered non-life threatening injuries in the ensuing struggle, though neither was shot, sources said.

That is the end of the New York Post quotes. No mention of the dog. And I noticed the police said it was the rear porch.

I watched the bail hearing again because I wanted to see if either of MB’s ears looked injured. If you go to the very end of the video, you can see both ears closely and neither look to have a visible injury. He has a stitch on his right eyebrow with some discoloration below eye, and a light black eye under left eye. One arm in sling, which seems to me to be more of a shoulder sort of injury or broken bone pulled ligaments, etc. Couldn’t see his hand closely but not bandaged like it might be if bitten by dog.

MB’s lawyer said the following in bail hearing:

That they had “taken over the property”

That they were “not tenants” and " paid no rent"

That “when finished training, they were not supposed to stay on property”

There was no written contract, just a “verbal agreement”

They were “asked to vacate, but did not vacate”

They “threatened MB, his partner and the children when asked to leave”

“These people were asked to leave by Fire Marshalls due to unsafe conditions, but still would not leave”

Also to get more facts, you can listen to the 911 tapes.

If you look way back in this thread you will see the discussions some of us had directly with LK. (Which may or may not be facts, but were pretty interesting)

[MyssMyst]

Did she deserve to get shot? Not given the information we currently have. If it comes out later that it was legitimate self defense… That changes things.

That being said… If you’ve made a habit of bullying and harrassing people, don’t expect that history to NOT come out with flags flying when you end up involved in a major incident where that same behavior likely played a major role. Did she deserve the level of online heat? It did get carried a little far in some cases. HOWEVER… That being said, I also respect that there are victims she has bullied relentlessly, who finally have a platform/audience where they feel like they can get some level of social justice for the pain she’s caused. Up until now, it’s been one of those quiet things passed around locally and probably wouldn’t impact anyone a few states away.

This time, it escalated dramatically and violently. DId she deserve to get shot? Again, not given the information currently available (repeating this because it doesn’t seem to register with certain posters on this thread). But it can’t be ignored that she played a very real role in escalating the conflict to the point it blew up. People aren’t saying she deserved to get shot, they’re saying that getting shot does not negate the very real impact of her decisions leading up to that point. The question wasn’t if this would blow up, the question was when and how.

[eggbutt]

@iris2006

I went back to some source material to recap some facts:

From New York Post article: 8/8/19:

Police sources said that cops had been called to the farm at least a half-dozen times in the week leading up to the shooting but that tensions finally came to a head around 2:15 p.m. on Wednesday.

Barisone confronted Kanarek and her fiancé on the back porch of a farmhouse and, after a brief exchange of heated words, allegedly drew his gun, sources said. “There was a very short verbal confrontation,” said one police source. “He didn’t say, ‘I’m going for my gun.’ He just went for it. He came, [and] he knew what he was going to do.”

Barisone allegedly pumped two bullets into Kanarek’s chest at nearly point-blank range, according to sources.

Both Barisone and Kanarek’s fiancé suffered non-life threatening injuries in the ensuing struggle, though neither was shot, sources said.

That is the end of the New York Post quotes. No mention of the dog. And I noticed the police said it was the rear porch.

I watched the bail hearing again because I wanted to see if either of MB’s ears looked injured. If you go to the very end of the video, you can see both ears closely and neither look to have a visible injury. He has a stitch on his right eyebrow with some discoloration below eye, and a light black eye under left eye. One arm in sling, which seems to me to be more of a shoulder sort of injury or broken bone pulled ligaments, etc. Couldn’t see his hand closely but not bandaged like it might be if bitten by dog.

MB’s lawyer said the following in bail hearing:

That they had “taken over the property”

That they were “not tenants” and " paid no rent"

That “when finished training, they were not supposed to stay on property”

There was no written contract, just a “verbal agreement”

They were “asked to vacate, but did not vacate”

They “threatened MB, his partner and the children when asked to leave”

“These people were asked to leave by Fire Marshalls due to unsafe conditions, but still would not leave”

Also to get more facts, you can listen to the 911 tapes.

If you look way back in this thread you will see the discussions some of us had directly with LK. (Which may or may not be facts, but were pretty interesting)

The “sources” were Rob Goodwin. Period. Both LK and MB were taken to the hospital so the ONLY source the news had to speak with, other than the police, was Rob. Everything until the 911 calls were released was his word only.

[iris2006]

@eggbutt

The “sources” were Rob Goodwin. Period. Both LK and MB were taken to the hospital so the ONLY source the news had to speak with, other than the police, was Rob. Everything until the 911 calls were released was his word only.

You’re right, the police spokesman probably just said what RG told him/her. I give up trying to figure it out, we’ll never know what happened unless it was videotaped!

[MorganSercu]

@eggbutt

I am a firm believer in karma and we reap what we sow.

See, this is why I don’t believe in karma. If I did, then I would have to believe that he deserved LK in his life and his family’s lives (gf & her kids) and the nightmare she put them all prior to the shooting was justified. I don’t think MB or his family deserved having her anywhere in their orbit.

At this point the only good thing that has come out of this is people discussing what they have seen and heard LK doing through the years. From this day forward it is going to be very difficult to say her toxic behavior was completely unknown.

[FitzE]

The article was rather odd, I thought. Her previous stuff seemed a lot tighter and higher quality. This was very amateurish and disjointed. I think it suffered from trying to scrupulously avoid any charge of victim blaming while also introducing some of LK’s mishegaas. But I think she was shockingly unfair to Girl Joey. She put that Trump tweet up there but never acknowledged the kind of stuff LK was saying to GJ. I suppose the author did leave some bread crumbs in that LK’s vitriol is visible in the GJ tweet.

Both professionally and personally it is a very bad look for the author to write what amounts to a fluff piece about a woman victimized by online comments and not make it very clear that that victim gives as good as if not worse than she gets. Certainly the kind of hate, profanity, personal attacks and threats spewed on the regular by LK - both before and after the shooting - aren’t even close to anything said here on COTH, to which the author linked repeatedly. Hope you die of an overdose? You f*(^ing - what was it - Q-tip looking man? I’m reporting you to [LE agency/governing body/welfare department]? I own guns? Not responsible for the actions of my other personalities? Just insane stuff directed in real life at real people.

The author also glossed right over the fact that LK posted about calling CPS then denied remembering. It’s the job of real journalists to point out known inconsistencies like that. Also, phone records will prove who called so suddenly pretending amnesia won’t work. The whole thing is so sloppy and disappointing. I must admit I expected more from NYT.

Before the article I had never seen Dressage Hub. I took a look at the DH facebook page and at some of LK’s stuff. One thing that struck me is, after no mention of her horses for so long, LK has a flurry of posts all of which really oddly shoehorn into the posts about “I love my horses” repeated claims of owning and not leasing her horses. It doesn’t sound natural at all but really forced, like she’s trying to build up some case about the ownership of the horses and lay a trail of what she thinks will be evidence about who owns them. It rings so fake and weird that I cannot help but wonder what’s up with that new thread of this tangled web.

[Dragonfly90]

@iris2006

You’re right, the police spokesman probably just said what RG told him/her. I give up trying to figure it out, we’ll never know what happened unless it was videotaped!

But MB was not seriously hurt, he was always conscious. He is a witness too. I would think the police interviewed him in between the incident and when he was charged with two accounts attempted murder. IF he said at that time it was self defense, apparently they didn’t buy it, and the evidence they had didn’t support. Neither he nor his previous lawyer were never quoted as saying he was attacked that day by 2 people and a dog, it never came up in the bail hearing. In fact a different reason why he shot at them was offered, basically they were ruining my life, I wanted them gone. However, it looks like self defense could end up being what his lawyer will try to say now as his defense.

[MHM]

Does MB still have the same lawyer he had at the hearing?

[eggbutt]

@MHM

Does MB still have the same lawyer he had at the hearing?

No, he has one of the best lawyers in the country representing him now.

[Dragonfly90]

@eggbutt

No, he has one of the best lawyers in the country representing him now.

I think something we can all agree upon…his first lawyer was terrible!!!

[iris2006]

@FitzE

The article was rather odd, I thought. Her previous stuff seemed a lot tighter and higher quality. This was very amateurish and disjointed. I think it suffered from trying to scrupulously avoid any charge of victim blaming while also introducing some of LK’s mishegaas. But I think she was shockingly unfair to Girl Joey. She put that Trump tweet up there but never acknowledged the kind of stuff LK was saying to GJ. I suppose the author did leave some bread crumbs in that LK’s vitriol is visible in the GJ tweet.

Both professionally and personally it is a very bad look for the author to write what amounts to a fluff piece about a woman victimized by online comments and not make it very clear that that victim gives as good as if not worse than she gets. Certainly the kind of hate, profanity, personal attacks and threats spewed on the regular by LK - both before and after the shooting - aren’t even close to anything said here on COTH, to which the author linked repeatedly. Hope you die of an overdose? You f*(^ing - what was it - Q-tip looking man? I’m reporting you to [LE agency/governing body/welfare department]? I own guns? Not responsible for the actions of my other personalities? Just insane stuff directed in real life at real people.

The author also glossed right over the fact that LK posted about calling CPS then denied remembering. It’s the job of real journalists to point out known inconsistencies like that. Also, phone records will prove who called so suddenly pretending amnesia won’t work. The whole thing is so sloppy and disappointing. I must admit I expected more from NYT.

Before the article I had never seen Dressage Hub. I took a look at the DH facebook page and at some of LK’s stuff. One thing that struck me is, after no mention of her horses for so long, LK has a flurry of posts all of which really oddly shoehorn into the posts about “I love my horses” repeated claims of owning and not leasing her horses. It doesn’t sound natural at all but really forced, like she’s trying to build up some case about the ownership of the horses and lay a trail of what she thinks will be evidence about who owns them. It rings so fake and weird that I cannot help but wonder what’s up with that new thread of this tangled web.

Maybe the author was scared of repercussions from LK if she wrote too negatively about her!

[Angela_Freda]

@eggbutt

Again, I don’t believe MB went with the intent of shooting anyone and, as I stated a few pages back, I believe he acted in self defense. That said, I can’t imagine a good outcome for people who behave and escalate as LK has. I can’t believe she doesn’t know she has issues because she jokes about her anger and portrays being proud of her meanness.

I am a firm believer in karma and we reap what we sow.

Two hot head squatters on my property, one who like to spew bad azz comments that could be easily considered threats or meant to intimidate…
Who have a nasty dog, known to go after people…

People carry a weapon for far less.

[cutter99]

@Angela Freda

Two hot head squatters on my property, one who like to spew bad azz comments that could be easily considered threats or meant to intimidate…
Who have a nasty dog, known to go after people…

People carry a weapon for far less.

Did MB have the gun due to LK’s dog? Had the dog gone after the children or horses? At the time all this happened, had he gotten to the point where he didn’t just fear LK and RG, but the dog as well?

[Jealoushe]

@eggbutt

Again, I don’t believe MB went with the intent of shooting anyone and, as I stated a few pages back, I believe he acted in self defense. That said, I can’t imagine a good outcome for people who behave and escalate as LK has. I can’t believe she doesn’t know she has issues because she jokes about her anger and portrays being proud of her meanness.

I am a firm believer in karma and we reap what we sow.

Unfortunately for MB, self defense rarely flies unless it is actually self defense. Bringing a gun with you to a confrontation and then shooting a person with said gun won’t convince anyone in that court room this was self defense. It doesn’t even fit the legal requirements;

New Jersey law requires that the defendant has a duty to retreat first. If this is not possible, than the defendant must have reasonable belief about three subjects in order to constitute self defense: [LIST=1]

The force used must be immediately necessary

The force against the defendant must be unlawful

The amount of force used must be necessary [/LIST]

I believe he did the exact opposite of retreating. Read the bit about the amount of force. Based on the scenario, a gun was by no means necessary. His lawyers will have a massive job ahead of them.

https://www.lslawyers.com/self-defense.html#targetText=Self%20defense%20is%20an%20important,protect%20himself%20from%20unlawful%20force.&targetText=New%20Jersey%20law%20requires%20that,a%20duty%20to%20retreat%20first.

[Maude]

@Dragonfly90

But MB was not seriously hurt, he was always conscious. He is a witness too. I would think the police interviewed him in between the incident and when he was charged with two accounts attempted murder. IF he said at that time it was self defense, apparently they didn’t buy it, and the evidence they had didn’t support. Neither he nor his previous lawyer were never quoted as saying he was attacked that day by 2 people and a dog, it never came up in the bail hearing. In fact a different reason why he shot at them was offered, basically they were ruining my life, I wanted them gone. However, it looks like self defense could end up being what his lawyer will try to say now as his defense.

I took MB’s comment “I had a good life” to mean that his life was good until LK f’ed it up.

[LiberalSnowflake]

@BigMama1

Oh dear. According to her Facebook page, SW thinks being quoted in the NYT story is proof of “her influence as Dressage Hub.” Never mind the fact that she was quoted as an example of crazy and horrific bullying. The delusion is real…I feel like SW and LK are vying for the Guinness World Record in attention-seeking, BSC behaviour. Two peas in a pod!

Strange that SW, the “mouthpiece of the Barisone family” who wished LK was dead and gloried repeatedly in her shooting, is now not ballsy enough to make a statement for the article - yet is crowing about how important she is. Someone got their knuckles smacked badly, I’m guessing.

[Angela_Freda]

@Jealoushe

Unfortunately for MB, self defense rarely flies unless it is actually self defense. Bringing a gun with you to a confrontation and then shooting a person with said gun won’t convince anyone in that court room this was self defense. It doesn’t even fit the legal requirements;

I believe he did the exact opposite of retreating. Read the bit about the amount of force. Based on the scenario, a gun was by no means necessary. His lawyers will have a massive job ahead of them.

https://www.lslawyers.com/self-defense.html#targetText=Self%20defense%20is%20an%20important,protect%20himself%20from%20unlawful%20force.&targetText=New%20Jersey%20law%20requires%20that,a%20duty%20to%20retreat%20first.

The opposite if retreating is… attacking?
What makes you believe he did the opposite of retreating?

The gun wasn’t necessary, not even considering the threat the dog posed to MB and or, really, anyone?

One wonders, had he not had a gun, how this would have ended. Clearly MB was injured. We don’t know how, by whom, or when (before the shooting, after, or both) those injuries occurred.

All of those questions and more might change that “no self defense” stance, no? If not, why not?

[RainWeasley]

@tryintogethere

Yet again, no one is saying that LK deserved to be shot, just that it is not a surprise that it finally happened.

This needs to be underlined, starred, highlighted. It’s not that anyone necessarily wanted her to get shot, but that it’s not surprising that she did.

@FitzE

Before the article I had never seen Dressage Hub. I took a look at the DH facebook page and at some of LK’s stuff. One thing that struck me is, after no mention of her horses for so long, LK has a flurry of posts all of which really oddly shoehorn into the posts about “I love my horses” repeated claims of owning and not leasing her horses. It doesn’t sound natural at all but really forced, like she’s trying to build up some case about the ownership of the horses and lay a trail of what she thinks will be evidence about who owns them. It rings so fake and weird that I cannot help but wonder what’s up with that new thread of this tangled web.

I thought that was a bit odd too, the way she was so forceful about her being the sole owner of her horses. (I went and looked out of curiosity, sorry if that makes me a creepy stalker :D)

[Denali6298]

Actually someone did say she deserved it and people agreed. Those posts got deleted and that got the thread closed. It was the same post that, once again, accused Dragonfly of being LK.

[Jealoushe]

@Angela Freda

The opposite if retreating is… attacking?
What makes you believe he did the opposite of retreating?
?

Well he brought a gun to a confrontation is my first thought. My next thought is that he drove up…so he could have turned and drove away instead of shooting. Just a thought…lol