Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[Denali6298]

@Jealoushe

Well he brought a gun to a confrontation is my first thought. My next thought is that he drove up…so he could have turned and drove away instead of shooting. Just a thought…lol

This. And yes attacking is the opposite of retreating.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/retreating

At least according to the dictionary.

[Angela_Freda]

@Jealoushe

Well he brought a gun to a confrontation is my first thought. My next thought is that he drove up…so he could have turned and drove away instead of shooting. Just a thought…lol

Like I noted though, he may have thought, or been advised to take the gun due to the attacking dog.
I mean, it is his property. She was residing there under some arrangement not yet fully understood. He should be able to go there… regardless of why.
So, I’m not sure it’s unreasonable for him to go there to speak with them about the situation… nor hard to imagine someone suggestion, or he deciding on his own, that protection from her dog might be wise.

Lots of people carry guns everyday, just as a matter of course as they go about their daily activities without a definitive threat like the dog. Add in the risk the dog was to, well, it appears anyone… I can see deciding to, or having someone suggest taking it “in case the dog comes at you”.

And yes it’s been suggested he drove up, but apparently got out of the vehicle. So at the point things went sideways, driving away may not have been possible.

[Jealoushe]

@Angela Freda

Like I noted though, he may have thought, or been advised to tale the gun due to the attacking dog.
I mean, it is his property. She was residing there under some arrangement not yet fully understood…
So, I’m not sure it’s unreasonable for him to go there to speak with them about the situation… nor hard to imagine someone suggestion, or he deciding on his own, that protection from her dog might be wise.

Lots of people carry guns everyday, just as a matter of course as they go about their daily activities without a definitive threat like the dog. Add in the risk the dog was to, well, it appears anyone… I can see deciding to, or having someone suggest taking it “in case the dog comes at you”.

And yes it’s been suggested he drove up, but apparently got out of the vehicle. So at the point things went sideways, driving away may not have been possible.

The dog information is not confirmed at all though, is it?

If you have time to pull out your gun, then you have time to turn and run. I’m sure the prosecution will go through the steps to show exactly how it all played out and whether he did have the ability to make another choice. As we don’t have a lot of information we can only speculate for now.

I think they will have a fairly easy case of showing what his original intent was, with his actions that day. Unless he already carried daily, and was attacked by surprise, he is not getting off easy.

[Angela_Freda]

@Denali6298

This. And yes attacking is the opposite of retreating.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/…ish/retreating

At least according to the dictionary.

:lol::lol::lol: and the definition of “ignore” is??

[Denali6298]

@Jealoushe

The dog information is not confirmed at all though, is it?

If you have time to pull out your gun, then you have time to turn and run. I’m sure the prosecution will go through the steps to show exactly how it all played out and whether he did have the ability to make another choice. As we don’t have a lot of information we can only speculate for now.

I think they will have a fairly easy case of showing what his original intent was, with his actions that day. Unless he already carried daily, and was attacked by surprise, he is not getting off easy.

Stop using logic and reasoning. There is no room for that in this thread. Obviously moving the goal posts is the name of the game to fit people’s narratives with zero connection to the situation.

Funny how any other shooting in this country results in the defense of the victim. That was the point of the article. Clearly many missed it.

[Angela_Freda]

@Jealoushe

The dog information is not confirmed at all though, is it?

If you have time to pull out your gun, then you have time to turn and run. I’m sure the prosecution will go through the steps to show exactly how it all played out and whether he did have the ability to make another choice. As we don’t have a lot of information we can only speculate for now.

I think they will have a fairly easy case of showing what his original intent was, with his actions that day. Unless he already carried daily, and was attacked by surprise, he is not getting off easy.

Post #4173 ( suggests descriptions of MBs injuries, perhaps from News sources, LKs Facebook posts, and I believe the lady sleeping on a mattress in the aisle of the barn mentioned the dog as well)

Yes it’s all speculation. Which is why anyone’s hypothesis is as likely as another’s.

[trubandloki]

@Dragonfly90

But MB was not seriously hurt, he was always conscious. He is a witness too. I would think the police interviewed him in between the incident and when he was charged with two accounts attempted murder.

I do not think being conscious necessarily means you are not seriously hurt.

The police wanting to talk to him does not mean he actually talked to them.

@iris2006

Maybe the author was scared of repercussions from LK if she wrote too negatively about her!

This is a good point I had not thought of.

[Jealoushe]

I would hope the journalist is not scared, being fearless is basically a prerequisit for that job!

[Denali6298]

@trubandloki

I do not think being conscious necessarily means you are not seriously hurt.

The police wanting to talk to him does not mean he actually talked to them.

This is a good point I had not thought of.

I think it depends on ones definition of seriously hurt. Compared to LK in the context, no. If he suffered his injuries from another cause sure.

MB and his counsel are wise in keeping their mouths shut. We won’t hear his story, if at all, until later. I also don’t think it’s escaping anyone’s attention that’s involved in the trial, how LK is conducting herself online.

Part of me hopes there is a trial and she is on the stand just to hear her counter arguments to things she’s said on here and other social media outlets.

This case really should have a Dateline episode and maybe even a lifetime movie.

[caffeinated]

@Jealoushe

Well he brought a gun to a confrontation is my first thought. My next thought is that he drove up…so he could have turned and drove away instead of shooting. Just a thought…lol

He also could have not gone in the first place and continued through the legal process of getting them off the property. (admittedly, that’s a LONG and frustrating process in NJ)

[caffeinated]

@Denali6298

This case really should have a Dateline episode and maybe even a lifetime movie.

I was thinking a long format deep-dive style podcast.

[MorganSercu]

"New Jersey generally prohibits the knowing possession of a handgun in any place other than one’s own property or place of business without a permit to carry a handgun."

So it sounds as though legally he could conceal or open carry. It is his place of business and residence.

Still doesn’t mean shooting her was in his best interests.

[ISR]

@BLBGP

So…are you saying she deserved it?

Most people call CPS to help children, not with “the sole intention of trying to ruin someone’s life.” If someone files a false report it totally and completely sucks but there are other ways to deal with it.

I will speak in general terms because not all of these assertions are facts but–IF someone filed a false report to CPS, and IF someone called ICE to have people deported being attacked was not an unforeseen possibility. People react in a primal way when they or their loved ones life or livelihood is threatened. The same as if I went into a lion’s den and threw rocks at a sleeping cat. Would I deserve to be mauled? Rhetorical question, no need for you to answer.

FYI–Millions of calls are made each year to CPS. More than half are non victims. You can google these stats.

[BigMama1]

@Angela Freda

Two hot head squatters on my property, one who like to spew bad azz comments that could be easily considered threats or meant to intimidate…
Who have a nasty dog, known to go after people…

People carry a weapon for far less.

Really? That doesn’t sound normal to me. People carry weapons if they are going hunting, or of course if they are gang members, or planning to commit an armed robbery. Carrying a handgun around to own property does not seem normal - especially if there is the chance of an argument with volatile people. If that dog was that dangerous normal would be calling Animal Conteol ti have it removed.

[BigMama1]

@Jealoushe

I would hope the journalist is not scared, being fearless is basically a prerequisit for that job!

She wasn’t scared of George Morris! [lol]

[Angela_Freda]

@BigMama1

Really? That doesn’t sound normal to me. People carry weapons if they are going hunting, or of course if they are gang members, or planning to commit an armed robbery. Carrying a handgun around to own property does not seem normal - especially if there is the chance of an argument with volatile people. If that dog was that dangerous normal would be calling Animal Conteol ti have it removed.

It’s not normal for me either, and yet its common.
Volatile people might make one think of doing things differently than one normally would. Not saying I would, not saying it is or was wise, but something one might do regardless? Yes.

[Denali6298]

@MorganSercu

"New Jersey generally prohibits the knowing possession of a handgun in any place other than one’s own property or place of business without a permit to carry a handgun."

So it sounds as though legally he could conceal or open carry. It is his place of business and residence.

Still doesn’t mean shooting her was in his best interests.

But he didn’t own said gun so that’s out the window.

[CanteringCarrot]

SPECULATION ALERT. Please scroll on by if you’re expecting any kind of facts.

So…pure “what if” here but… What if MB, finally fed up, goes to LK’s apartment/porch/whatever to explicitly tell her that she’s being evicted and that he’s fed up - she needs to leave now (not proper or legal, but most of this isn’t). Knowing that LK, LK’s BF, and LK’s dog can all exhibit erratic behavior, he brings a gun for fear of being attacked by one or all of them.

Still completely the wrong way to go about it. But possibly why he thought he needed the gun.

I’m not saying I’d do the same, but I’m also not in the situation.

[BigMama1]

@ISR

I will speak in general terms because not all of these assertions are facts but–IF someone filed a false report to CPS, and IF someone called ICE to have people deported being attacked was not an unforeseen possibility. People react in a primal way when they or their loved ones life or livelihood is threatened. The same as if I went into a lion’s den and threw rocks at a sleeping cat. Would I deserve to be mauled? Rhetorical question, no need for you to answer.

FYI–Millions of calls are made each year to CPS. More than half are non victims. You can google these stats.

Not buying it. Being physically attacked (let alone shot) is not a reasonable nor a predictable outcome of LK’s harassment. It just isn’t. That’s the difference between humans and the wild animals in your example. Humans have the knowledge, ability, and obligation to overcome those primal reactions.

[Brown_Derby]

@rothmpp

it would help if they’d at least gotten her age right. I have a hard time taking a journalist seriously that can’t get that basic fact right.

Since none of MB’s people were on the record for the article it is basically a puff piece about LK.

Until they are back in court and any new information is presented, there really isn’t anything in that article that we had not already heard a thousand times though several different prisms.

LK’s age, and a few sloppy adjectives, have been removed from the article without comment. Never thought I’d see the day when it became necessary to take screen shots of NYT articles.

I felt the article, as it currently stands, implied some sort of landlord dispute, but La-LaPopRider, on this thread, repeatedly denied ever being asked to leave.

Unrelated to the article: LK has posted photos of Jay-T now with her in NC. Jay-T is owned by MB. Just what is needed, more cray.